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[airconditioning]

I think I'm bad at wording my posts. :/

Johto Misty was the one that was devoid of personality.

Point. Although I can't say I remember much from Johto at all...

Funny how you say seem to be implying their one and only purpose for the girls is to be eye candy.

They shouldn't be, but unfortunately, that seems to be all they are. Bad wording on my part, I suppose.

Ever thought it could also be an attempt to get girls interested?

Yeah, that was the entire point of the contests, as far as I know. But it's not the contests that I have a problem with- it's the fact that the girls have no personality. They're nothing more than standard archetypes with a single, far-off goal in mind. No interesting background, no character depth, no nothing.

Not to say that any other characters are better...

It's about the same as 'WIN GYM BATTLES...BOYISH? XDDDDD' Heh, the 2 sentences sum up Pokemon perfectly. Contests and gym battles.

Maybe I expect too much from a children's show.

Funny how you complain they're devoid of personality and then say you like Brock? o.O The one whose only personality is a 10 year old joke.

Hey, Brock is at least a little deeper than that. >:(

You just said you look at anime porn. Of 10 year olds.

Oh noez.

While saying that is their only point.

Once again, badly worded on my part. :/

 

[gameplay]

I'd like to see how it goes on a whole adventure through a region with only Ash and two other companions, excluding Brock.
But I bet it wouldn't go all that great..

 

[InMooseWeTrust]

I'd like to see Ash replaced with Ritchie once and for all. The episodes with him show you exactly what the anime would be like if it were perfect.

 

[PorygonSquared]

They shouldn't be, but unfortunately, that seems to be all they are. Bad wording on my part, I suppose.

If you really think that, then keep it to yourself. Saying your favourite character(s) is there purely for eye candy purposes is fairly insulting, ya know.

 

[airconditioning]

If you really think that, then keep it to yourself. Saying your favourite character(s) is there purely for eye candy purposes is fairly insulting, ya know.

Doesn't change the fact that they are. If they weren't, May wouldn't have been given an enormous chest, and Dawn's skirt would be longer than six inches.

 

[Datriot]

In my opinion the entire lost whatever depth it ever had once it reached the end of the first two seasons, that said, it IS aimed at children so I guess I really shouldn't expect it to be that deep.

 

[RubyJB88]

Besides, I love the buckets of fanart/ porn that each girl generates, so having them as eye candy really isn't so bad.

*raises impulsive eyebrow* That's just sick.

 

[urimoo]

I know that it's probably right about Brock staying and girls rotating but...

Every time a new girl came along, it was a beginner pokemon trainer.
I'd like to see Ash meet a new BOY pokemon trainer and watch HIM learn how to become better and everything. I'm tired of watching girls improving. I wanna see a newbie boy. Lol. There can be a girl too for the guy watchers but I just think it'd be interesting.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Since Ash is the main character, he cannot be replaced. That said, I would like to see both Dawn and Brock replaced by two new people next gen, to keep things fresh, although I'd rather Dawn stay a little while longer. And yes, Ash will probably be able to fend without a motherly Brock figure, because May somehow manages.

Misty, Brock, May, Dawn, Max, and Tracey are the Main Characters as well, and that never stopped them from being replaced. Also, Red was considered the Star of Pokemon Special, and did that stop the writers from replacing him? No, it didn't. If they were able to replace Red in that manga without ruining it financially, who says that Ash cannot be replaced.

I will agree with you about Ash being able to fend without Brock. I mean, he and Misty were able to fend for themselves quite well in the Viridian forest. Plus, The Orange Island had them adapting quite well while Brock was with Ivy.

Misty should never come back to the main cast. Why the heck are people still insisting this after five *expletive* years? Her story is done, and bringing her back would be as pointless as Gary challenging the Sinnoh League. Bringing May back at least makes more sense, but even then, what's the point of her travelling with Ash again when she has her own dreams?

If Misty's story is done, then Ash's story was done a LONG time ago, since he won the OI League.

And attempting to achieve a respected Coordinator position is not motivation, yet hanging around some guy doing little in comparison is? Okay, I guess I'll drop my motivationless university degree and instead be subservient to some wife then to get a motivation. Misty is gone. Get over it.

while I do agree that achieving Worlds Best Coordinator is a motivation, I think they were meaning motivation in the "eliminating sexism" sense (Which is understandable, since, believing a girl should only play with dolls while Guys can only play football, or if they say that Girls can't read, then that's a sexist statement in and of itself, regardless of whose saying it. Having the main males do Pokemon leagues and having most of the main girls do pokemon contests is communicating, in essence, the exact same thing as the examples listed above.)

In regards to Misty doing little in comparison, umm, I wouldn't call Saving a city from total destruction by Vigilante Jellyfish pokemon, even putting your life on the line (from Tentacool and Tentacruel), winning the Princess Festival contest, stopping the Backpack thief, evacuating people from a collapsing island, coming up with a plan to get out of a sinking ship, and other things little in comparison. In fact, Pokemon leagues, Pokemon Contests, Pokemon Gyms, Battle Frontiers, and battles in general would actually be considered Little in comparison to that, by a moralistic and ethical issue.

And anyways, We, or at least I won't stop even after what he said, because I will make sure that Misty returns, to stop this. I realized that she was the only one to halt it ever since she didn't squeal like those girls from princess vs. princess.

Also, just a random blurb, just because a female doesn't have loyalties to a male doesn't mean that they are promoting Feminism. take Kandi from "Two and a half men", for example. She doesn't really have ANY loyalties to males (she ditched Alan just a few weeks into their marriage, and it is implied that she continues to do just that), and yet, she is portrayed as a complete airhead, which would actually DEMEAN females, not Uplift them.

anyways, that's all for now.

 

[Tsubute]

Misty had personality (Like Jessie). Dawn and May are the same. TOOO SIMPLE GIRLISH.

Brock is kind of dull too. He do the same over and over again. Flirting with girls, cooking, healing Pokémon. OMG HIS story is over! Misty never had the chance to complete her story, and when you see her later on her personality is all... dead...

I think Misty should come bach, Brock should leave and a boy skould join the group so we can get a big change in the plot. Ever since Misty left everything has changed. Even Ash. So it is clear thatMisty was the key to the great stories. When Brock left during OI nothing really changed. Ash was cool, Team Rocket were funny, the stories were briliant. But ever since Misty took off nothing has been near that.
I agree that Misty must return for the series to get better. Right now they are killing it slowly.

 

[Man of Faith]

The show is kind of dying to me... I feel that after D/P, Ash should go lie in a ditch somewhere.

There needs to be a massive change. Hopefully an all new cast that don't resemble any past characters (like most do)... :(

 

[PorygonSquared]

Oh, the delusion.

Doesn't change the fact that they are. If they weren't, May wouldn't have been given an enormous chest, and Dawn's skirt would be longer than six inches.

And Misty wearing short shorts and a belly-button revealing tank is not eye candy? (okay, girls in the West dress like that all the time, but still...) Hail double standards!

Alas, I don't know how many times I will have to say this, but Dawn's skirt is normal in Japan, because schoolgirls wear skirts of a similar length. So her outfit is as normal to the Japanese as Misty's outfit is to North Americans. And May's chest is not that big, especially compared to other anime (at least from what I've heard), but I'd rather not get into those kind of analyses because it's just disturbing to my mind.

By the way, fetish is one motivation for fanart, but not the main one. People draw fanart of anime characters because they find them interesting. They like to experiment with capturing their vibrant personalities in art, just like "real" art such as the Mona Lisa. The quality of the art would not be as good if they found them completely shallow. So "they are there solely for eye candy" is your subjective reality and not everyone shares that perspective. Don't state it like it is truth.

I think Misty should come bach, Brock should leave and a boy skould join the group so we can get a big change in the plot. Ever since Misty left everything has changed. Even Ash. So it is clear thatMisty was the key to the great stories. When Brock left during OI nothing really changed. Ash was cool, Team Rocket were funny, the stories were briliant. But ever since Misty took off nothing has been near that.
I agree that Misty must return for the series to get better. Right now they are killing it slowly.

So Misty was writing all the stories for Pokemon before she left? I'm amazed that a fictional character can do that! Maybe I can create some character out of thin air to write my fanfics for me.

Misty, Brock, May, Dawn, Max, and Tracey are the Main Characters as well, and that never stopped them from being replaced. Also, Red was considered the Star of Pokemon Special, and did that stop the writers from replacing him? No, it didn't. If they were able to replace Red in that manga without ruining it financially, who says that Ash cannot be replaced.

Obviously if Ash was replaced, it would be a different series separate from this one. The other characters were of lesser importance. They possibly could have replaced Ash at the start of AG or used the G/S/C cast instead, but I believe that Ash and Pikachu were too popular in Japan at the time for this to happen.

while I do agree that achieving Worlds Best Coordinator is a motivation, I think they were meaning motivation in the "eliminating sexism" sense (Which is understandable, since, believing a girl should only play with dolls while Guys can only play football, or if they say that Girls can't read, then that's a sexist statement in and of itself, regardless of whose saying it. Having the main males do Pokemon leagues and having most of the main girls do pokemon contests is communicating, in essence, the exact same thing as the examples listed above.)

So the multiple guys doing Pokemon contests mean nothing to you? Are you going to call Drew, Harley, etc., sexist against males because they act somewhat feminine? Also, by your logic, Brock is sexist also because he just hangs around the group doing their chores, like a stereotypical housewife. The Pokemon anime does not imply that girls are less skilled than guys (even if you count the girls starting off relatively inexperienced, so did Ash, and no one would call that sexist against guys), and girls get to battle quite a bit. Have you ever thought perhaps maybe girls LIKE to do, girly things, rather than being controlled to do "macho" things against their will?

In regards to Misty doing little in comparison, umm, I wouldn't call Saving a city from total destruction by Vigilante Jellyfish pokemon, even putting your life on the line (from Tentacool and Tentacruel), winning the Princess Festival contest, stopping the Backpack thief, evacuating people from a collapsing island, coming up with a plan to get out of a sinking ship, and other things little in comparison. In fact, Pokemon leagues, Pokemon Contests, Pokemon Gyms, Battle Frontiers, and battles in general would actually be considered Little in comparison to that, by a moralistic and ethical issue.

Many of those things you blew out of proportion. Blame the writers for not putting the other girls in such situations. Even the first example overexaggerated Misty's role in the crisis. Meowth and Pikachu were just as important in getting the message across, but I don't see you obsessing over them. Winning the Princess Festival contest? In a sense, she stole the dolls from Jessie who deserved them more, and just to make her sisters jealous.

And anyways, We, or at least I won't stop even after what he said, because I will make sure that Misty returns, to stop this. I realized that she was the only one to halt it ever since she didn't squeal like those girls from princess vs. princess.

You also admitted Jessie didn't squeal either. Why then do you ignore Jessie as a shining beacon of feminism?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Sigh, I'm gonna hate myself for this... I'm going to make this as polite as i can...

And May's chest is not that big, especially compared to other anime (at least from what I've heard), but I'd rather not get into those kind of analyses because it's just disturbing to my mind.

It's still far too big for someone her age, nonetheless.

Obviously if Ash was replaced, it would be a different series separate from this one. The other characters were of lesser importance. They possibly could have replaced Ash at the start of AG or used the G/S/C cast instead, but I believe that Ash and Pikachu were too popular in Japan at the time for this to happen.

"lesser importance"? Hate to burst your bubble, but the only characters of lesser importance are the regional professors, the parents, the contest judges, and the Joys/Jennies (If bulbapedia listed them as characters of lesser importance, so will I.)

Besides, that sitll doesn't explain Red being replaced despite being played out as being the almighty, irreplacable star of Pokemon Special.

So the multiple guys doing Pokemon contests mean nothing to you? Are you going to call Drew, Harley, etc., sexist against males because they act somewhat feminine? Also, by your logic, Brock is sexist also because he just hangs around the group doing their chores, like a stereotypical housewife. The Pokemon anime does not imply that girls are less skilled than guys (even if you count the girls starting off relatively inexperienced, so did Ash, and no one would call that sexist against guys), and girls get to battle quite a bit. Have you ever thought perhaps maybe girls LIKE to do, girly things, rather than being controlled to do "macho" things against their will?

umm, yeah, I really suggest you didn't try to use Harley as an example, since the majority of the fanbase labeled him as being extremely effeminate, to say the very least. Also, if they don't imply that girls are less skilled than guys, then why is it that feminists are saying that girl only sports are deemed a form of "Gender segrigation"?

Besides, I'm talking about the MAIN Characters, not the rivals or coordinator one-shots, since most people would tend to follow the main characters (in other words, the HEROES), rather than their enemies/minor characters.

Many of those things you blew out of proportion. Blame the writers for not putting the other girls in such situations. Even the first example overexaggerated Misty's role in the crisis. Meowth and Pikachu were just as important in getting the message across, but I don't see you obsessing over them.

Actually, if I recall that episode correctly, Meowth didn't even DO anything to stop it, since he was controlled like a puppet by the Tentacruel-zilla. As for Pikachu, the Tentacruel was getting into an arguement with Pikachu involving humans (which Pikachu was losing). In fact, just before Misty gave that speech, Tentacruel looked like it was about to swat Pikachu and Pidgeotto away (It was moving it's tentacle up as if to swat them.).

Winning the Princess Festival contest? In a sense, she stole the dolls from Jessie who deserved them more, and just to make her sisters jealous.

Yeah, and in that same sense, May "Stole" the ribbons from Jessie, Aipom "Stole" the Bananas from team rocket, and all of that stuff. what's your point. Maybe you are the one who needs to get rid of your Rose-colored glasses, PDL. (You are him, right? you do seem similar to him.)

You also admitted Jessie didn't squeal either. Why then do you ignore Jessie as a shining beacon of feminism?

Because, even IF she were a shining beacon of feminism, she is a villain. And, let's be honest, most people would rather try to follow the hero's example, not the villain's (How many people root for the villain in movie theaters?). Plus, she acted mellow dramatic, like some sort of drama queen, even though she really shouldn't. I don't think Misty really acted in the same level as Jessie.

Sorry mods, if I crossed the line, but I tried to respond in a reasonable manner.

anyways, that's all for now.

 

[PorygonSquared]

Sigh, I'm gonna hate myself for this... I'm going to make this as polite as i can...

I don't see anything offensive about your post. Why do you insist on making distorted value judgments about your own actions?

"lesser importance"? Hate to burst your bubble, but the only characters of lesser importance are the regional professors, the parents, the contest judges, and the Joys/Jennies (If bulbapedia listed them as characters of lesser importance, so will I.)

Besides, that sitll doesn't explain Red being replaced despite being played out as being the almighty, irreplacable star of Pokemon Special.

Lesser is a relative term. So the other characters besides Ash are important, but Ash gains the superlative "most important" term. I wasn't implying the others were not important.

umm, yeah, I really suggest you didn't try to use Harley as an example, since the majority of the fanbase labeled him as being extremely effeminate, to say the very least. Also, if they don't imply that girls are less skilled than guys, then why is it that feminists are saying that girl only sports are deemed a form of "Gender segrigation"?

Besides, I'm talking about the MAIN Characters, not the rivals or coordinator one-shots, since most people would tend to follow the main characters (in other words, the HEROES), rather than their enemies/minor characters.

So what? The main characters are designed to appeal to as many people as possible, so they have to fit typical roles. Other characters are not bound to that responsibility. That is why many (such as myself) sometimes find themselves enjoying minor characters more than the major characters, because they are more appealing to a certain niche. Besides, the population in the anime is not just the main characters, you know. If you are comparing Pokemon society to real society, you have to consider the entire cast. In fact, why did you complain about the girls in Princess vs Princess if they are minor characters?

Actually, if I recall that episode correctly, Meowth didn't even DO anything to stop it, since he was controlled like a puppet by the Tentacruel-zilla. As for Pikachu, the Tentacruel was getting into an arguement with Pikachu involving humans (which Pikachu was losing). In fact, just before Misty gave that speech, Tentacruel looked like it was about to swat Pikachu and Pidgeotto away (It was moving it's tentacle up as if to swat them.).

Without Meowth, no one would have understood Tentacruel's motivations for why it wanted to destroy the town, and they would just assume that he was just another bad Pokemon. Without Meowth, Pikachu and Misty would not have been able to talk Tentacruel out of its actions. So arguably, Meowth was just as important than either of them, if not more.

Yeah, and in that same sense, May "Stole" the ribbons from Jessie, Aipom "Stole" the Bananas from team rocket, and all of that stuff. what's your point. Maybe you are the one who needs to get rid of your Rose-colored glasses, PDL. (You are him, right? you do seem similar to him.)

It was a hypothetical argument that could have been used. It does not necessarily reflect my personal opinion (though your constant obsession with Misty is driving me further to that opinion). Rose-colored glasses eh? Who's the one wearing stars-and-stripes glasses then? Okay, it's a cheap shot to bring your nationality into the discussion, but you always blather on about being American like Yugioh Abridged Bandit Keith, so I feel it is justified. Besides, it's relevant because you see the American Revolution as all positive, when we Canadians see the other side of the story.

Because, even IF she were a shining beacon of feminism, she is a villain. And, let's be honest, most people would rather try to follow the hero's example, not the villain's (How many people root for the villain in movie theaters?). Plus, she acted mellow dramatic, like some sort of drama queen, even though she really shouldn't. I don't think Misty really acted in the same level as Jessie.

Personally, I saw Misty's comment of bringing the dolls back just to make her sisters jealous as kind of a slap in the face for Jessie, but that's my opinion, so it is irrelevant. Don't use the words "I don't think" in a debate. Also irrelevant is the fact that I find Jessie's drama queen mannerisms funny.

Sometimes, the villain turns out more interesting than the hero, so yes, people do root for the villain. And villains sometimes do have redeeming qualities which people may emulate (because it is obvious what not to emulate).

I am not PDL. PDL uses the same username wherever he goes, and he wants Brock to stay on the cast. I'm, let's say, an old friend. I still remember that very kind PM you sent me attempting to save me from that scum I call my favourite Pokemon character in a very tolerant, pragmatic manner sure to win converts to your cause.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I don't see anything offensive about your post. Why do you insist on making distorted value judgments about your own actions?

some people seem to read in negative mentions in my posts, so I did it as a precautionary issue.

Lesser is a relative term. So the other characters besides Ash are important, but Ash gains the superlative "most important" term. I wasn't implying the others were not important.

Yeah, well, in terms of Pokemon special, Red was played up as "Most important", and despite that, he was still removed from the cast and replaced with yellow (and disappeared completely as soon as the Ruby/Sapphire (or rather, the Emerald) arc came around.)

So what? The main characters are designed to appeal to as many people as possible, so they have to fit typical roles. Other characters are not bound to that responsibility. That is why many (such as myself) sometimes find themselves enjoying minor characters more than the major characters, because they are more appealing to a certain niche. Besides, the population in the anime is not just the main characters, you know. If you are comparing Pokemon society to real society, you have to consider the entire cast. In fact, why did you complain about the girls in Princess vs Princess if they are minor characters?

Yeah, I see your point, and I do agree with most of it. I should point out, however, that I said majority of the time, not All the time. Plus, Weatherford decided to try and boycott Jynx even though she was a one-shot character. I may not personally believe in the whole Minor characters are unfocused upon by the fanbase, but people are under that mindset, so I'm mentioning it because it's there. I complained about the girls since she complained.

Without Meowth, no one would have understood Tentacruel's motivations for why it wanted to destroy the town, and they would just assume that he was just another bad Pokemon. Without Meowth, Pikachu and Misty would not have been able to talk Tentacruel out of its actions. So arguably, Meowth was just as important than either of them, if not more.

I'll agree with you in regards to communicating to the town in regards to it's rationale, and Misty trying to talk it out of it, But Pikachu could have just as easily have communicated to Tentacruel without having Meowth as a puppet (Now granted, the audience wouldn't have understood what he was saying, but we couldn't exactly understand Pikachu, either, so...).

It was a hypothetical argument that could have been used. It does not necessarily reflect my personal opinion (though your constant obsession with Misty is driving me further to that opinion). Rose-colored glasses eh? Who's the one wearing stars-and-stripes glasses then? Okay, it's a cheap shot to bring your nationality into the discussion, but you always blather on about being American like Yugioh Abridged Bandit Keith, so I feel it is justified. Besides, it's relevant because you see the American Revolution as all positive, when we Canadians see the other side of the story.

Look, I know that portions of the revolution might have been bad (I only mention it to make a point, since, bad or not, it still proves that sometimes even the impossible can be conquered. I could have just as easily used Britain against the Spanish Armada, or the collapse of the Roman empire to Barbarians.), and heck, I use hypothetical arguements all the time (Mainly Ash leaving the series.). Also, yeah, that was a cheap shot.

Sometimes, the villain turns out more interesting than the hero, so yes, people do root for the villain. And villains sometimes do have redeeming qualities which people may emulate (because it is obvious what not to emulate).

It may be seemingly obvious what not to emulate, but then again, currently, kids are learning bad language from being exposed to Jerry Springer at worst (and emulating it, not to mention), and preteen/teenage girls are getting Bulimia/Anorexia from fashion modeling magazines to emulate the model's supposed "Perfect" bodies, so we don't even know what is good to emulate and what isn't.

I am not PDL. PDL uses the same username wherever he goes, and he wants Brock to stay on the cast. I'm, let's say, an old friend. I still remember that very kind PM you sent me attempting to save me from that scum I call my favourite Pokemon character in a very tolerant, pragmatic manner sure to win converts to your cause.

OH! sorry, Luigi-the-Breloom/Metarobo. sorry for mistaking you for PDL. It's just that you sounded similar to him.

BTW, Let's continue this on the User Talk page. You know, don't want to steer it further off topic.

Anyways, that's all for now.

 

[airconditioning]

And Misty wearing short shorts and a belly-button revealing tank is not eye candy?

Point. Why was I defending Misty, again? :|

Alas, I don't know how many times I will have to say this, but Dawn's skirt is normal in Japan, because schoolgirls wear skirts of a similar length.

Well then, Japan is a nation of pedophiles. That skirt is simply too short. Not to mention impractical for long periods of travel.

But then again, lol anime.

And May's chest is not that big, especially compared to other anime (at least from what I've heard)

And were those other anime characters also ten years old?

They like to experiment with capturing their vibrant personalities in art

I could say something to this, but I know I shouldn't.

The quality of the art would not be as good if they found them completely shallow.

Not true. Since they're completely shallow, you can simply make your own personality to fit your fantasy. Thus, the appeal, and the large variety of art.

 

[Tyrantrum]

I also think Brock should stay and another girl comes.
Like the new Anime coming out in Japan.
May's adventures with Harley and the girl with the side show act Chatot in Jhoto.
I think the girl with the Chatot should travel with Ash and Brock this time and maybe a reappearance from Tracey! ^_^

 

[Grass]

In my opinion I think Brock should leave and Dawn should stay with Ash to fulfill her contest dream in a new region. They should meet a new character in that region that will take Brock's place.

 

[Jorah]

To be fair, May's chest had completly, er, "deflated" by Battle Frontier and there was nothing left in DP.

 

[Mitchman]

Wait may gets aspinoff anime of her travels in johto?!