LAX VIRE © shadow University 2008 - ?

[Lalapizzame]

I swear BB hates me for my failed attempt at stealing his format which he took a peek at when Zema posted it on Smogon. Lax Vire also "wins this thread", and shadow actually created it. =/ So, I've been fiddling with the Team Builder on Smogon, using 4 random things + Scizor and Machamp, most likely using Mence. However, everyone's hogging the darn physical Mence it makes my heart collapse. What happened to the golden days of good old MixMence, now people even use Outrage and EQ on MixMence, you're better off using DDMence if you want to use that. ._. I am also of the opinion that I must resist stealing BB's almighty format and Scarf Tran, which is going to be a severe pain. x_x; This is exactly why I want to have BB as my Format Tutor.

So yeah, no fancy theme this time, just a nice, fresh, Platinum team. Hopefully not like my latest submit for a RMT, aka CroCune's set on a Salamence.

D_A, your trolling is not contributing to team discussion, we must infract you!

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Azelf @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Zen Headbutt: Oh my, Azelf with an actual physical movepool now! Its STAB, and is not to be underestimated, despite its poor type coverage.
- U-turn: Great for scouting, and it isn't really just a light hit, with 383 Atk.
- Stealth Rock: Arguably the best non attacking move out there, makes some impossible KOs into a dream come true and stuff like that.
- Explosion: The grand finale, I just love using it on Azelf, mainly to torture the troll's favorite Pocket Monster. =3

Scarf Gengar has gone down in usage for Platinum, and Scizor can easily take on Deoxys-E, so no worries here, my dear citizens. This things seriously wish it had 5 moveslots, with Stealth Rock there, it can only use 3 offensive moves with limited coverage.



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Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat: Do I really have to explain this? .... Well, your wish is my command. Physical STAB, crushes everything into tiny bits if they don't resist it, even then it can take its toll on the more brittle resists.
- Payback: Ghosts don't like this, true enough. Especially Gengar and Rotom, I may add. ;)
- Thunderpunch: While Gyarados has been decreasing for platinum usage iirc, it is still a threat to be reckoned with, so this makes sure it doesn't make Gyarados rub its belly in laughter.
- Ice Punch: Salamence is increasing in potiential for Platinum, and so, Ice Punch is honored and OHKOs the sinister Dragon with ease, unless it was Yache with bulky EVs.

Machamp is a great TTar counter, but I, Lala, am going a tad more offensive these days.



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Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 176 HP/156 Atk/176 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch: Nintendo loves bugs, especially Scizor. They decided to bless Scizor with a STAB'd priority move, thinking Technician simply wasn't enough.
- Superpower: Laughs at Heatran and mostly all other Steels, the other great addition to Scizor's movepool.
- U-turn: Scouting is always nice, especially if you have an enormous Atk and STAB on U-Turn. :D
- Pursuit: This makes sure Ghosts don't have a jolly dance while I fail to OHKO them with Bullet Punch.

Fantastic Gengar check, really. Also the 2nd Choice Bander, there's jolly good reason for it to be one.



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Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf: Really, Vappy cannot live without its STAB, no sir.
- Protect: Protect makes sure Wish is used, so I don't waste that one turn only for vappy to die and Wish be useless.
- Wish: Wish makes sure Vappy doesn't crack and crumble down while Gyarados laughs at the non-barricated team.
- Hidden Power Electric: Hidden Power Electric is needed to even try to counter Gyarados, or else you would do 2 to it, seriously. It's so neccesary for this kind of Vaporeon I shouldn't even be explaining.

Almost all teams have a way to counter Gyarados, and this team is no exception, yes sir! Also provides Wish support for Zapdos, gogogo.



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Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 80 Atk / 176 Spe / 252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Draco Meteor: Draco Meteor is one of the best STAB moves any special sweeper could ever want, and Salamence agrees. Resisted by few, truly a good attack typing in neutrality.
- Fire Blast: Fire Blast covers all those nasty Steel-types giggling at the resisted Draco Meteor, providing the infamous Dragon + Fire combo, once hitting all neutral in 3rd gen.
- Brick Break: Brick Break smashes through the barrier that Heatran and the Special Walls provide.
- Roost: Roost gives Salamence a chance to fight back against Stealth Rock and LO damage, a real gift anyone would love oh so much.

Salamence is really hyped for the DD set, that it's like Nintendo actually took a look at Smogon and wanted to obliterate MixMence from the history records. This team is trying to stretch a bit of originality but still being actually useful, so yeah. 176 Spe outspeeds neutral Spe Lucario, and 40 Atk EVs don't matter too much, Blissey is still 2HKOed if it switches into BB.



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Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 80 Def / 176 Spe / 252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility: Zapdos sits comfortably at 100 Base Spe, letting it outspeed even the fastest Scarf Azelf with EVs to spare with this move, and it now has a special movepool to actually back it up. Dearly loved, Nintendo shows their love for birds.
- Thunderbolt: Thunderbolt is STAB, and that is to be used on everything except if their STAB type is Poison or Steel type.
- Heat Wave: Hey Metagross, Scizor and Lucario, you have a new friend! Seriously, hits all those annoying steel-types out there harder than T-Bolt besides Heatran.
- Hidden Power Ice: Repels those nasty popular Dragons, they are much more common than Swampert, so this is a worthy option. But Hidden Power Grass can rise if Swampert were to jump in usage. ;)

Yes I'm using a weaker version of Zema's darn format, do you dare to go "LOSER U COPIED j00 n00b!11"? No, because I would seriously just hate you and call you incredibly rude. Have a nice day. =)

And...just a little of Japanese food...

Yakitori

"Marinated chicken and vegetables (usually leeks or onions) on wooden skewers and grilled over a charcoal frame. Other meats and vegetables can be used, but chicken is the main attraction. At the end of a long day, its aroma and inviting barbeque smoke surely does attracted tired workers to the wooden Yakitori stands that line traditional Japanese streets. Yakitori can be eaten as a meal or snack and is usually served with a tall, cold beer."

~ Page 183 of xxxHolic manga series Volume 4.

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I'm really starting to hate saying this...But Kingdra weak.

Nah, you aren't THAT Kingdra weak, although it can tear a whole in your team with Sub/DD/Outrage/Waterfall. Nothing on your team resists Water/Dragon, and nothing can OHKO it bar Mence's Draco Meteor (who, in turn, is OHKO'd by Outrage from Kingdra)

Your best (and perhaps ONLY bet) is to explode on it with Azelf, although with the massive amount of Scizors and Tyranitar's running around, Azelf's chances of surviving in late game are rare.

 

[Archer]

I'm really starting to hate saying this...But Kingdra weak.

Nah, you aren't THAT Kingdra weak, although it can tear a whole in your team with Sub/DD/Outrage/Waterfall. [S-HIGHLIGHT]Nothing on your team resists Water/Dragon[/S-HIGHLIGHT], and nothing can OHKO it bar Mence's Draco Meteor (who, in turn, is OHKO'd by Outrage from Kingdra)

Your best (and perhaps ONLY bet) is to explode on it with Azelf, although with the massive amount of Scizors and Tyranitar's running around, Azelf's chances of surviving in late game are rare.

You do realise that only Empoleon and Shedinja resist them...So it's not a fair argument.
I do agree you have a problem with it, however.

 

[Lalapizzame]

I'm really starting to hate saying this...But Kingdra weak.

Nah, you aren't THAT Kingdra weak, although it can tear a whole in your team with Sub/DD/Outrage/Waterfall. Nothing on your team resists Water/Dragon, and nothing can OHKO it bar Mence's Draco Meteor (who, in turn, is OHKO'd by Outrage from Kingdra)

Your best (and perhaps ONLY bet) is to explode on it with Azelf, although with the massive amount of Scizors and Tyranitar's running around, Azelf's chances of surviving in late game are rare.

I just realized this. x_x; Well, I be testing on Smogon ladder, we will see how it turns out. =3

You do realise that only Empoleon and Shedinja resist them...So it's not a fair argument.
I do agree you have a problem with it, however.

I agree with this statement. :<

 

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You do realise that only Empoleon and Shedinja resist them...So it's not a fair argument.
I do agree you have a problem with it, however.

Don't see how that's helping, as it may not be a fair argument, but it's a valid argument.

 

[Noir Lancer]

Seeing as Vaporeon isn't using Ice Beam and Garchomp is banned, the S.Atk EVs on this accomplish nothing.

Try: 124 HP/ 252 Def/ 132 S.Def

For better taking on Heatran and MixApe.

 

[Lalapizzame]

Seeing as Vaporeon isn't using Ice Beam and Garchomp is banned, the S.Atk EVs on this accomplish nothing.

Try: 124 HP/ 252 Def/ 132 S.Def

For better taking on Heatran and MixApe.

Those Vaporeon EVs take a load from LO Gyarados, 1 DD Stone Edge does 51.39% - 60.65%. =/

Although I MAY take it, I don't like such an idea personally, just a little bias saying. ;)

 

[Noir Lancer]

Those Vaporeon EVs take a load from LO Gyarados, 1 DD Stone Edge does 51.39% - 60.65%. =/

Although I MAY take it, I don't like such an idea personally, just a little bias saying. ;)

It's still better than wasting 68 EVs I suppose. Either way the fact that DDLO Gyara is not as bulky and receives LO Recoil means Vap can KO it more so if Stealth Rock is up, Gyara isn't killing Vap any time soon anyway, as it'll come in on the DD.

I suppose a simple 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4.S.Def could suffice, as simply putting the 68 into S.Def isn't really making a a worthwhile difference, however that is my bias to chose not to run these types of spreads, but seeing as you want this to counter Gyara so badly, then it'll work for you. Takes physical hits the best it possibly can and reaches a leftovers recovery for what it's worth.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

252/252 is a waste on Vaporeon, as are 68 SpAtk EVs. 124 HP/252 Def/132 SpDef is better, it also allows you to better counter the ever-common Heatran.

I can see Kingdra getting moved up, its only 100% counter is a bit rubbish in Standard, not like Skymin who is countered by 3 different Pokemon, 2 of which are very useful in Standard.

 

[Lalapizzame]

252/252 is a waste on Vaporeon, as are 68 SpAtk EVs. 124 HP/252 Def/132 SpDef is better, it also allows you to better counter the ever-common Heatran.

I can see Kingdra getting moved up, its only 100% counter is a bit rubbish in Standard, not like Skymin who is countered by 3 different Pokemon, 2 of which are very useful in Standard.

I really want to counter DDGyara, and Vappy counters Heatran fine with the current EV spread. While I will indeed take that EV spread into consideration, I will test it on Shoddy first.

 

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Thinking about it, DeoZoneTrio could pose a problem. Zone traps and kills Scizor locked into Bullet Punch, scares away Vaporeon, and doesn't fear Azelf (bar Explosion) Dugtrio also can Pursuit Azelf if you escape an obvious Sucker Punch (I lost ScarfGar that way) With Scizor and Azelf gone (and possibly a weakened Vaporeon) nothing on your team handles Deoxys-e well =/

 

[Noir Lancer]

Then just use 252 HP/ 252 Def, seems like a real waste though, as Gyara needs a DD and LO to do that damage, where as Vaporoen can easily KO it with HP Electric thanks to the fact that it's not bulky, Life Orb Recoil and Stealth Rock.

It really never is wise to diminish a poke's overall usefulness for 1 poke only, I would just use the 1st spread I mentioned.

 

[MM_Zero]

The guts and close combat combo isn't really as good on machamp as No Guard is with Dynamic Punch. Dynamic Punch gives guarenteed confusion and it never misses with No Guard. Also not to mention how it doesn't give a def and sp. def drop.

 

[sims796]

However, it doesn't go as well on a Choice Band set, which makes him a great reciever of burn, and allows him to take a burn.

 

[MM_Zero]

True, but on comparison, very few teams (at least that I see) have pokemon with will-o-wisp. In fact...I haven't been seeing a lot of status off-late. Any other case with burn would just be through some lucky hax through flamethrower and the like.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

Gyara isn't KOing Vaporeon without hax, if you don't fall asleep you switch in on it as soon as it enters, non-DD Stone Edge 3HKOs, it takes a sackload from HP Electric and as Noir Lancer said, 124 HP/252 Def/132 SpDef.

Through experience, you are better off taking the 40 EVs out of SpAtk so Mence outspeeds Lucario, don't take them from Atk. If you follow this advice, take 4 EVs out of Atk into SpAtk for the jump point. (216 EVs)

 

[BeachBoy]

Lala wants his thread closed, so it is. :V