4th Gen Legends - Real or not?

[Demetri]

about arceus having a thousand arms if you play the game and research enough it says that after "the one" (arceus) created dialga/palkia and so on it went into a deep sleep.
And in that sleep or while creating dialga/palkia and so on it could have lost alot of its power turning it into a normal pokemon explaning why it can be caught but it dosent mean it lost all of its power.For example look at its base stats. that could explain a lot of myths and legends about its "arms" and being able to be caught after all a pokemon is a pokemon. If i am wrong disreguard this post.

 

[eternalglory]

i wish you couldnt contain legendaries in pokeballs... itd at least make more sense.... 'The creator of all the universe was caught by a Great Ball!' is just weird.
Also, it's only level 80 in the wild. Shouldn't it be, you know, Godlike?

 

[WaluigiRedclaw91]

Do the books change every now and then. I have yet to read about arceus but i read every book in the library

 

[Skymin]

about arceus having a thousand arms

The thousand arm thing is more or less a figure of speech, I say.

Also, it's only level 80 in the wild. Shouldn't it be, you know, Godlike?

As I've said before, they might be desendants of the original ones that created the universe. And as Gofre suggested, maybe asexual reproduction or duplicating.

Do the books change every now and then. I have yet to read about arceus but i read every book in the library

... I don't think the books change. I think he's just saying he researched about it.

 

[eternalglory]

okay.... shiny legendaries. How does that even work? Even if theres like a 1 in 9000 chance (dont correct me people, its an estimate) of being shiny, a legendary shiny just seems...... rediculous. Legendaries are unique enough, why even have a shiny form? Also, would that hint at wat maddy is talking about, with the descendents and the clonings and what not?

 

[El Gofre]

okay.... shiny legendaries. How does that even work? Even if theres like a 1 in 9000 chance (dont correct me people, its an estimate) of being shiny, a legendary shiny just seems...... rediculous. Legendaries are unique enough, why even have a shiny form? Also, would that hint at wat maddy is talking about, with the descendents and the clonings and what not?

This is one of the things that I think game freak left in to be a collectors item rather than part of the game.

Heres my new theory for anyone saying arceus isn't strong enough: The arceus in the game is the pokemon jesus. Yes he is the jesus man. I came up with this theory during RE class. As a bit of evidence, is god human? No, he is an omnipotent being, who came to earth in human form. Yet this human could still perform great things, like part lakes and get rid of cataracts and so on. Therefore, perhaps the arceus up at spear pillar is an embodiment of godly arceus. Perhaps his mission was to cleanse something, similar to jebus who came to get rid of our sin. This would explane the lack of uber-uberyness. Did you ever hear about jesus smiting people?

EDIT: also, perhaps this arceus came down to profess the great acts of the other legendries, like jebus did about daddy. Perhaps this is how some of the more obscure legends become known?

 

[Waker of Chaos]

This is one of the things that I think game freak left in to be a collectors item rather than part of the game.

Heres my new theory for anyone saying arceus isn't strong enough: The arceus in the game is the pokemon jesus. Yes he is the jesus man. I came up with this theory during RE class. As a bit of evidence, is god human? No, he is an omnipotent being, who came to earth in human form. Yet this human could still perform great things, like part lakes and get rid of cataracts and so on. Therefore, perhaps the arceus up at spear pillar is an embodiment of godly arceus. Perhaps his mission was to cleanse something, similar to jebus who came to get rid of our sin. This would explane the lack of uber-uberyness. Did you ever hear about jesus smiting people?

EDIT: also, perhaps this arceus came down to profess the great acts of the other legendries, like jebus did about daddy. Perhaps this is how some of the more obscure legends become known?

Let's not compare God to Pokémon, please.

That said, your theory might work. We'll have to wait for new information to confirm anything about Arceus, though.

 

[eternalglory]

i think that it could be completely legitimate, comparing god to pokemon... these are legends, gamefreak knew that, and they certainly could have 'loosely based it' off such things.
Well done Gofre. That makes Arceus much more believable in my eyes.

 

[Waker of Chaos]

i think that it could be completely legitimate, comparing god to pokemon... these are legends, gamefreak knew that, and they certainly could have 'loosely based it' off such things.
Well done Gofre. That makes Arceus much more believable in my eyes.

It's just that some random might come in and yell, "Pokémon and God aren't the same thing! You're an evil Satanist to be trying to compare the two! I'm going to report your butt!" That's why I warn against making such things, and I'd rather a religious argument not be held here.

That said, it's a reasonable analogy.

 

[eternalglory]

true, people like to fight.
well, would that make all legendaries just a small part of the whole like arceus is? I would think that Dialga and Palkia would be also, because they do control time and space. Or was their power stripped when they were put to rest?

 

[Skymin]

I still like your theroy on just waking up from a coma.

okay.... shiny legendaries. How does that even work? Even if theres like a 1 in 9000 chance (dont correct me people, its an estimate) of being shiny, a legendary shiny just seems...... rediculous. Legendaries are unique enough, why even have a shiny form? Also, would that hint at wat maddy is talking about, with the descendents and the clonings and what not?

I've stated something about his too... That the ones in the game cannot be the ones that are in the legend because it can be shiny!

Yeah, I think shiny legendaries are just too far. Normal will do, thanks Nintendo.

 

[Waker of Chaos]

true, people like to fight.
well, would that make all legendaries just a small part of the whole like arceus is? I would think that Dialga and Palkia would be also, because they do control time and space. Or was their power stripped when they were put to rest?

I think it's more like Greek mythology. You had Ares, Aphrodite, Apollo, Zeus, Hera, Artemis, and a few others, who all had separate jobs. However, they also had a hierarchy. In Pokémon, Arceus is the king, Dialga and Palkia the main gods, and everything else is a demigod, or messenger in the Unown's case (possibly). Mesprit, Uxie, and Azelf would be the primary demigods, having been created first.

 

[eternalglory]

I wouldn't really consider the Unown as legendaries... despite them coming from another dimension. Humans used them for alphabetical purposes because that is what humans do: use the resources around them. However, coming from another dimensions doesn't equal legendary to me. I mean, Deoxys came from space, and is therefore legendary, but so did Cleffa and that family (specifically the moon, but still... outerworldly)

Oh also, its not a matter of only greater gods and demigods... there are greater gods, then lesser gods, then demigods. So perhaps Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie would be lesser Gods instead.
Also, Giratina is indeed the Renegade Pokemon... perhaps a fallen Greater God, similar to Devil and God (im POSITIVE thats been said before).

 

[Waker of Chaos]

I wouldn't really consider the Unown as legendaries... despite them coming from another dimension. Humans used them for alphabetical purposes because that is what humans do: use the resources around them. However, coming from another dimensions doesn't equal legendary to me. I mean, Deoxys came from space, and is therefore legendary, but so did Cleffa and that family (specifically the moon, but still... outerworldly)

Oh also, its not a matter of only greater gods and demigods... there are greater gods, then lesser gods, then demigods. So perhaps Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie would be lesser Gods instead.
Also, Giratina is indeed the Renegade Pokemon... perhaps a fallen Greater God, similar to Devil and God (im POSITIVE thats been said before).

There is a connection between the Unown and Suicune. That's why I considered them.

But yeah, the mirage Pokémon would be lesser gods in that example.

 

[El Gofre]

I still like your theroy on just waking up from a coma.

Woo the debate is between two of MY theories, thats knowledge for ya :)

Yeah, I think shiny legendaries are just too far. Normal will do, thanks Nintendo.

Aha, now heres my knew theory to why we can have shiny legendries. Yes Its most likely to be simply because nintendo decided to make every pokemon shiny for the purposes of equality, but indulge me on this:

First of all, I'd like to ask you a question just for a bit of context; What colour was a T-Rex? The answer is we don't know, we know they were large reptiles, we know they ate stuff, but aside from the skeleton we know nothing of their anatomy or appearence. Therefore I pose this to you; How do people know what colour legendries are? All we have to go on is logical information; kyogre lives in the sea, so is blue. Moltres is a fire bird so is red, and so on. Perhaps the ability to shinify legends was there to pose the idea that these creatures are acient and have never really been seen, at least not in recorded history; You can't colour in a wall carving.

Any thoughts?

 

[eternalglory]

Aha, now heres my knew theory to why we can have shiny legendries. Yes Its most likely to be simply because nintendo decided to make every pokemon shiny for the purposes of equality, but indulge me on this:

First of all, I'd like to ask you a question just for a bit of context; What colour was a T-Rex? The answer is we don't know, we know they were large reptiles, we know they ate stuff, but aside from the skeleton we know nothing of their anatomy or appearence. Therefore I pose this to you; How do people know what colour legendries are? All we have to go on is logical information; kyogre lives in the sea, so is blue. Moltres is a fire bird so is red, and so on. Perhaps the ability to shinify legends was there to pose the idea that these creatures are acient and have never really been seen, at least not in recorded history; You can't colour in a wall carving.

Any thoughts?

its an interesting thought, but its not like the legendaries are extinct... quite the contrary, in fact. everyone catches legendaries, and the fact that they HAVE a normal color would indicate that this is their.... well, normal color.
Even though many are ancient creatures, what we see is what we get. But i do like the point that some people might get a shiny legendary and not even know it, because who's to say what their original color was?
that was rhetorical.... we all know the answer is nintendo >__<

 

[El Gofre]

Yeah but this is from the eyes of the game's cast, who are almost entirly ignorant of these creatures. All they know is the usual 'legend has it' stuff. what would make them think "Hey, this groudon thingy is gold, that cant be right"? They have nothing to judge by.

 

[Olumuyiwa]

In Movie 10 Palkia and Diagla have controlled time and space and Darkai has controlled people through their dreams. Gorudon, however, is different because ive seen it controll the ground but not actually make the earth, Kyogre the same for me (but with water).

Entei actually says whenever one is born a Volcano is also born. Arceus has no movie or episode pointed or focused to it so i cant really comment on that. Now the most controvesial for me is Celebi, can it controll time or travel through it, i guess you could say both since i've seen both but it really is a controversy and i think it is very confusing

Well that's all i can say to the theories. :~]

 

[El Gofre]

Urgh the anime, as unrealistic as pokemon is if a volcano was born every time a person was the pokemon universe would be a volcanic wasteland by now. Dont trust the anime please.
And yes you won't have seen any of them create their respective elements because they cant, they can control them only. Energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, just changed. None of the legendries have the power to change state of matter. Arceus created it all (With the exception of D&P) and the legendries are just glorified babysitters.

Yeah celebi doesn't have too much purpose, he just goes round time doin nice stuff.

 

[Waker of Chaos]

In Movie 10 Palkia and Diagla have controlled time and space and Darkai has controlled people through their dreams. Gorudon, however, is different because ive seen it controll the ground but not actually make the earth, Kyogre the same for me (but with water).

Entei actually says whenever one is born a Volcano is also born. Arceus has no movie or episode pointed or focused to it so i cant really comment on that. Now the most controvesial for me is Celebi, can it controll time or travel through it, i guess you could say both since i've seen both but it really is a controversy and i think it is very confusing

Well that's all i can say to the theories. :~]

Darkrai didn't control people in their nightmares. It controlled the nightmare itself.

Arceus, having created Dialga and Palkia, can be credited with the creation of matter. The vortex of chaos from which its Egg came was the energy that was changed to create the universe.

Celebi only travels through time.

If an Entei is born every time a volcano is born, then I guess it's easy to see why Entei is so rare. Volcanoes aren't exactly born every week.

Groudon and Kyogre are the Pokémon of the land and ocean. They don't need to control elements to do their jobs.