4th Gen Legends - Real or not?

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W00t! I is a fact man. >:V

Also I forgot! There were lots of deoxys in the manga! =D
Or did someone already say that? >_>
 
W00t! I is a fact man. >:V

Also I forgot! There were lots of deoxys in the manga! =D
Or did someone already say that? >_>

Deoxys is not one of the legends in fact, he is just a powerful alien.
 
Ok, im really getting fed up of the 'legends arent strong enough' excuse. If you want some reasons other than it wouldn't be fair, here's a few reasons, followed by examples:
*They can only function fully in their home enviroment: Kyogre needs the sea
*In a similar way as a regular pokemon wont obey a trainer with few badges, legendries need to see some higher act before the trainer gains their full respect. Therefore they will not attack at full strength. Eg mewtwo saw good in ash
*The pokemonare reluctant to bring the full force of their powers upon other pokemon: Sure, Zapdos could smite my poliwag with a million volts of electricity, but that would kill it.
*The pokemon have been captured after a long struggle, and now feel submissive, only performing the bare minimum through shame.

Put it this way, if all legendries were fully capable, you would all be posting complaints in another thread, saying how they are too powerful, even amongst legendries.

Moral: Post theories about the narrative, not game mechanics.
 
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I think legendaries are important because they remind us that there is beauty and strength out there. I know that sounds like its taking it too far, but its sort of like the same idea (on a much smaller scale I realize its a game) as god is. We need something more powerful than ourselves to talk about and theorize about and sort of pretend is real. Legendary pokemon are fun to talk about and what they COULD do in the same way we talk about bigfoot or jesus christ the son of heavenly father. Its just speculation but that doesn't mean that we cant have faith (I realize this is a stretch but I really am into the world of pokemon and I think even if it sounds silly that it does really reflect a mini version of the actual universe we live in (I realize this sounds far fetched)). Thanks,

Badger
 
Ok, im really getting fed up of the 'legends arent strong enough' excuse. If you want some reasons other than it wouldn't be fair, here's a few reasons, followed by examples:
*They can only function fully in their home enviroment: Kyogre needs the sea
*In a similar way as a regular pokemon wont obey a trainer with few badges, legendries need to see some higher act before the trainer gains their full respect. Therefore they will not attack at full strength. Eg mewtwo saw good in ash
*The pokemonare reluctant to bring the full force of their powers upon other pokemon: Sure, Zapdos could smite my poliwag with a million volts of electricity, but that would kill it.
*The pokemon have been captured after a long struggle, and now feel submissive, only performing the bare minimum through shame.

Put it this way, if all legendries were fully capable, you would all be posting complaints in another thread, saying how they are too powerful, even amongst legendries.

Moral: Post theories about the narrative, not game mechanics.

Just to add on to what you said there, Gofre:

I don't think it matters at all how strong a Legendary is. It's hard to explain without dragging in gameplay info, so I won't, since gameplay info is completely obsolete.

*They can only function fully in their home enviroment: Kyogre needs the sea

I think this one made the most sense. Or, at least, I agree the most with this one. Kyogre needs the sea, Groudon needs land. But would the legendary birds (+ Ho-oh and Lugia) need the sky?
 
I only read the original post, so forgive me if I repeat some things.

Yeah, it does seem like these godly-like pokemon are not all that omnipotent(which means godly). However, in the pokemon universe, their definition of god maybe different from ours. It may just mean that by godly, they mean very powerful. But that's my contribution to this subject.
 
Some pokemon are called 'gods' because they were seen by ancient people who recognised how powerful they were and worked them into their mythology.
 
I think legendaries are important because they remind us that there is beauty and strength out there. I know that sounds like its taking it too far, but its sort of like the same idea (on a much smaller scale I realize its a game) as god is. We need something more powerful than ourselves to talk about and theorize about and sort of pretend is real. Legendary pokemon are fun to talk about and what they COULD do in the same way we talk about bigfoot or jesus christ the son of heavenly father. Its just speculation but that doesn't mean that we cant have faith (I realize this is a stretch but I really am into the world of pokemon and I think even if it sounds silly that it does really reflect a mini version of the actual universe we live in (I realize this sounds far fetched)). Thanks,

Badger

Is this a stupid idea or are you just ignoring me to be rude because I am a NOOB. I really want to feel welcome here.
 
Is this a stupid idea or are you just ignoring me to be rude because I am a NOOB. I really want to feel welcome here.



No this is an interesting idea. I have thought about it but cannot think of what to say(mainly because it is late).
 
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I am just saying that while they are probably not intentional there are parrallels in pokemon literature between eastern religion and christianity (I realize this may seem hoky but when you read the literature it is a real thing)
 
I am just saying that while they are probably not intentional there are parrallels in pokemon literature between eastern religion and christianity (I realize this may seem hoky but when you read the literature it is a real thing)

well.....when you create a world out of nothing.....your bound to use examples from the closest source...the real world.
 
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well.....when you create a world out of nothing.....your bound to use examples from the closest source...the real world.

WHAT??? What doest that even mean? How can anything be made out of nothing? and how could anything be made at all without reference to the "real world" whatever that is? Just asking.
 
WHAT??? What doest that even mean? How can anything be made out of nothing? and how could anything be made at all without reference to the "real world" whatever that is? Just asking.

okay..ill put it in technical language..

When they made the stories of "pokemon" and all the "legendaries"...they had two things to go of, imaginationd and examples from the real world, ie:real legends. So it is posibly they accidentially incorperated religious stories.
 
Not too much, I wouldnt expect them to read through the entire thread. What annoys me is when they state the obvious or make something up thats completey unfounded. Lets take this nonsense for example:





People: A word of warning. Spam with your pessimistic views in a thread involved with the direct opposite and i will personally rip your entire post to shreds simply to discredit any furure posts :)

okay, so what the heck? Who decided to stick a crab up your but this morning? You don't have the right to come here and trash everyone's opinion. And you DEFINATELY do not have the right to come here and say against what other people believe in real life. We were simply stating what we think it should be like, this thread is for your opinions on this matter, as stated in the last paragraph of the head post. I took everything i said from what shiny umbreon said you imbicile, you noob. I personally think it's facinating coming here and seeing everyones points of view, especially on this particualar subject. It's my mind, my opinion, from charmander's mind, charmander's opinion, you can disagree with it, but to trash it is going to far.
Also, on my opinion, i'm pretty sure i said DISREGARDING MOST OF WHAT THE GAME SAID, so there was no way i was contradicting my self. You need to lighten up dude, it's a game directed at children, but some people like making sense out of it, in there own mind. You're a piece of crap for coming here and, quote, riping our entire posts. If you'd like to talk more about this, PM me, i'll be sure to rip YOU up there you noob.
 
okay, so what the heck? Who decided to stick a crab up your but this morning? You don't have the right to come here and trash everyone's opinion. And you DEFINATELY do not have the right to come here and say against what other people believe in real life. We were simply stating what we think it should be like, this thread is for your opinions on this matter, as stated in the last paragraph of the head post. I took everything i said from what shiny umbreon said you imbicile, you noob. I personally think it's facinating coming here and seeing everyones points of view, especially on this particualar subject. It's my mind, my opinion, from charmander's mind, charmander's opinion, you can disagree with it, but to trash it is going to far.
Also, on my opinion, i'm pretty sure i said DISREGARDING MOST OF WHAT THE GAME SAID, so there was no way i was contradicting my self. You need to lighten up dude, it's a game directed at children, but some people like making sense out of it, in there own mind. You're a piece of crap for coming here and, quote, riping our entire posts. If you'd like to talk more about this, PM me, i'll be sure to rip YOU up there you noob.

You're entitled to your opinion, and he's entitled to his. He's not trashing people's opinions, it's called a debate, and he's merely defending his position. Sorry you feel that way. And personal attacks don't help your cause either, anyway.
 
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I think that the people down at game freak just need something to make the game's plot more exciting, and don't really think when they're doing it.
Ok, everyone's entitled to their opinion
You're right, glad you under stand
The Arceus legend is one of the dumbest and most rediculous of all.
Not really, every legend in the world stems from religious beliefs, and therefore a god.
I meant that it doesn't fit right with all the other, and goes a little beyond a legend
It says it's the god of all pokemon, but lets talk realistically, if some one captured our God, the real God,
Well i could say that your god is ridiculous, he goes against the laws of science too.
Yeah, i know somepeople are like this, but you still should say that here, it can hurt some people's feelings, and i'm not prepared to get in a religion controversy with you
and he was forced to do what you tell it, the world would be hell now wouldn't it?
Why? What if Ghandi caught it? Would he go round smiting stuff?
I'm saying if just some random trainer caught it, God wouldn't be able to do as much as he should, i could go in more, but you'd have some crap to say about it
Adding onto that, the world would come to an abrupt end.
Why would it? He's captured not dead
I answered that already, with no God in full control, no world, i don't need your remarks on this either

Also, if what the legend of arceus is true, in the game of course, then it would be able to learn any attack, have every nature, every stat combonation, every type combonation, and would be overall undefeatable.
Your thinking too much about the game and not the legends
You were probably right there, but the legends are in the game, so i'm kinda thinking of them as a package deal
Now in reality land, where i live,
Do you live in pokemon land?
Not in pokemon land no, in common sense world actually
if there was an arceus electric type, and a Garchomp with mediocre stats was up at bat against it, it would be able to take it in one or two moves.
Why? Arceus would use a different type move and beat your garchomp. If you want gaming reasons, arceus has a higher base speed and would attack first.
Yeah, i guess your right, i was just trying to make a point tho
Now, put that Garchomp up against a Mew, the Mew would probably when just as fast as the Garchomp against the Electric Arceus.
If you had bothered to read at all, we have established mew isnt a legendary poke, just the last of an extinct species which every other poke originated from.
Yes, but no game states which pokemon are legendaries, i think the pokemon that are one of each and have uber stats are legends, and also have a story behind them
Now what kind of god would lose up against a mediocre Garchomp like that?
It wouldnt. Do your research.
which is what i was saying, didn't really get what you meant by the do your research part

Now, for Mew vs. Arceus. If Mew indeed was the origin for all pokemon, then wouldn't it be the god?
No, it is the ancestor, which is distant relative. Mew is essentially a dinasaur, hence the mew fossil mewtwo was created from. The mew you can catch is the last living mew, like heatran.
I know, some people believe that monkeys are the origin for humans, which would make them the ancestors(i guess, i'm not sure) But i meant the ancestor, it came from it
And where was Mew when he created Arceus, who created the Universe?
Arceus did. He came out of the chaos and made D&P, who in turn created the universe.
ah kay, i didn't get that bit, sorry
It all doesn't add up, at all.
It does
okay, at one point it could, at another it may not, just a matter of opinion
About the other legends, Kyogre creating the oceans,
It doesn't
i got that from shiny umbreon's post, i knew it helped control the weather and the sea, but not created them
Entei making Valcanos erupt,
Its a game, a child's game.anythings possible.
right, but i kinda explained that below. The dex says it makes Entei erupting valcanos everytime it barked, so if it got scared and accadently barked, woops, and all those times in the movie where it barked, that would suck! Of course, i know that we're talkin about the games, not the movies.
and Groudon creating the earth
It didn't.
once again, from umbreon's post
well, what happened? Arceus created the universe and Groudon and Kyogre decided to take credit for his work?
No, it put them there to do a job.
i know, i was being sarcastic

And valcanos would be erupting every three second if Entei could do what the legend says.
It says it can make them erupt, it doesnt have to.
explained above
Now about giving examples of what they can do in the games, i don't think that's nececarilly important,
It is, its called evidence.This whole post was just you complaining
I meant i don't think wasting memory on showing it doing this would be nessicary in making it beleicable. And i was complaining that some of the legends were kinda weird, not that there was no evidence
but i would feel better if they did. The games need to be more realistic.
No they dont. That would put them on tilt, either too easy or too hard.
I meant, they need to add up more and i'd like it to have evidence, doens't have to to make me beleibe it, but i'd like to

Okay, so disreguarding what the game says, this how i think the pokemon world creation went down. Arceus created it self and the whole Universe. In its weakened state, it created millions of simple creations, Mews, to inhabit its new world. He also created Dialga and Palkia to control space and time,
Right up to this point, even though you're contradicting yourself.
I said disregarding what the game says, i just took bits and pieces of there legends and put them into one, make loose ends tie up, and not worry about the fact that a god could be caught in the game
Groudon and Kyogre to create a peaceful place for the Mews to go and develop, Lugia to protect the Mews inhabiting the seas, and so on with other Legends to protect respected aspects of Arceus's world.
Protect? They were made to create not to maintain, hence why most legends are found sleepin/frozen etc
i'm talking way at the beggining, when everything was getting in order, and i still said to disreguard some of what the game said, plus it's my story(kinda) i could put a flying monkey in there if i wanted to
Well, as the Mew's go and live, they adapt to the new situations, the Mew living in the valcanos slowly develop into Magmars and Magby,
Old point, i posted a half page theory on mew evolution
YES! i'm so glad you pointed this out! Not that i CARE! i'm taking what i understood of mew to write this. LET THE WORLD NO THAT YOU POINTED THIS OUT BEFORE ME!
the Mews inhabiting the moon develop into Cleffas and Cleffary's, and so on.
Who said it had to be mew?
No one, it's my story, so it could be mew in this one, could be those flying monkeys in the second!
 
okay..ill put it in technical language..

When they made the stories of "pokemon" and all the "legendaries"...they had two things to go of, imaginationd and examples from the real world, ie:real legends. So it is posibly they accidentially incorperated religious stories.

They had two things to go off of? Why just two, doesn't it seem overly simplistic to place everything into two categories especially when one is as broad as "imagination", couldn't "imagination" basically include EVERYTHING in our heads period since even novel thoughts are based on prior knowledge gained through the senses from the real world?
 
Ok, this thread is turning into arguaments, and ive seen mods shut threads for less. Therefore im not going to reply to chibi (Seeing as his replies still dont make sense) and bring up another question:

Celebi; What is his purpose? Im going to pre-emptatively disagree with anyone who says he's a protector of the forests, because he's not. The only affinity with wodland he shares is typing. As there is very little information on celebii, only that he appears at different points in time, my theory is that he is the pokemon equivilant of doctor who. Its a childish comparison but it fits. Both travel around time with very little purpose. Both are individual, the last of their species (More on this point below), and do not seek conflict, but are capable of fighting if needs be.

Now, as celebi has no purpose, it's quite viable that he is the last of a species of pokemon, either from the past or future. Perhaps every celebi seen is a different one, not the same. This is supported by the fact that celebi is said to leave an egg; when it hatches it pops off to wherever (Whenever?) It wants to go.

Thoughts? And no arguing children! :P
 
Ok, this thread is turning into arguaments, and ive seen mods shut threads for less. Therefore im not going to reply to chibi (Seeing as his replies still dont make sense) and bring up another question:

Celebi; What is his purpose? Im going to pre-emptatively disagree with anyone who says he's a protector of the forests, because he's not. The only affinity with wodland he shares is typing. As there is very little information on celebii, only that he appears at different points in time, my theory is that he is the pokemon equivilant of doctor who. Its a childish comparison but it fits. Both travel around time with very little purpose. Both are individual, the last of their species (More on this point below), and do not seek conflict, but are capable of fighting if needs be.

Now, as celebi has no purpose, it's quite viable that he is the last of a species of pokemon, either from the past or future. Perhaps every celebi seen is a different one, not the same. This is supported by the fact that celebi is said to leave an egg; when it hatches it pops off to wherever (Whenever?) It wants to go.

Thoughts? And no arguing children! :P

Yeah, I gotta shut up before I get carried away with the arguments :|

I think Celebi just wanders, he's got nothing else to do. I mean, he's not much of a protector so, yeah, I disagree with the fact that he's a protector of the forest, but I think that he's got more to do with forests than just his typing (he's Grass, I know, but he's part Psychic too, right?). I always thought that he'd wander around the forests because he wants too. I don't know, I always associate Celebi with forests.
 
I think Celebi just wants to be happy. It likes forests but we humans spend such a lot of time destroying them that it is still looking for a forest where humans can live in harmony with nature.
 
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