LGBT Debate

[s0nido]

I believe that homosexuality is part choice and part feeling. So is having the urge to bang that hot girl/guy walking down the street. Perhaps God instilled these feelings of attraction in us to test us. Sure, we may say that we were built for encounters for both sides, but I think that we are being tested. God banned homosexuality, and we have to respect that.

If you are an atheist, well, I have news for you. It was predicted 1400 years ago that the number of adulterers, fornicators and homosexuals would increase, and those people would feel no shame. Then a disease like none that people have witnessed before will come upon those people as a punishment. AIDS, anyone?? The prediction was sent down by God, and is one of the signs of the world ending. And I think, with all this immorality around, the world is coming to an end.

Our society is slowly becoming desensitized to immorality, one step at a time. Soon, we won't have any rules against sexuality and sex. Not long ago, many countries banned pornography. Now, only a handful ban it. Same thing with homosexuality.

Now, don't go calling me a homophobe or a gay-basher or a hater. I have gay friends, and I don't let their sexuality interfere with their personality.

In the end, we shouldn't interfere with people's choices, and they will account for their choices when the time comes.

 

[Ascaris]

I don't have anything against gays and I am fully for the legalisation of gay marriage.

Transexuals though are completely different. You are born who you are; why the hell would you want to even change that. Many people have sex changes because they feel that they'll somehow feel happier being the other gender or they feel that their natural gender isn't right for them; it isn't even a proper reason in itself.

Others feel that because they are homosexual, changing their gender will allow them to get married in places where gay marriage is illegal. But they don't know that most of the time it doesn't work. How many of you would marry your girlfriend/boyfriend if you found out that he/she is a transexual? The arguments for gay rights don't hold for transexuality: it is unnatural and it is a choice. People who get sex changes are only ruining their lives.

So yeah... I am for gay rights but I frown down upon transexuals.

 

[txteclipse]

Using that logic, could I actually try to be gay? Because I can tell you right now...No matter how hard I'd try, it would be impossible. It would feel unnatural. You can't tell a gay person to "will" themselves straight.

In other words, we can't treat homosexuality like it's not a sexuality....because it is.

You could become gay, yes. It happens in jail often. But I doubt you could just say "I'm going to be gay from now on." It takes a long time to build up the mindset.

And I didn't say it isn't sexuality. It definitely is. But it isn't a normal form of sexuality.

 

[Bianca Paragon]

You could become gay, yes. It happens in jail often. But I doubt you could just say "I'm going to be gay from now on." It takes a long time to build up the mindset.

And I didn't say it isn't sexuality. It definitely is. But it isn't a normal form of sexuality.

lol
Jailhouse gay isn't gay. It's rape.

 

[txteclipse]

lol
Jailhouse gay isn't gay. It's rape.

Not necessarily. While I understand that rape does occur in jail, there is consensual sex as well, and not necessarily (or typically, even) between people that were incarcerated as homosexuals.

 

[Ascaris]

You could become gay, yes. It happens in jail often.

And where the hell did you get that from? Back up your statements.

But I doubt you could just say "I'm going to be gay from now on." It takes a long time to build up the mindset.

Again, back up your statements. Nobody is going to believe you if you don't.

And I didn't say it isn't sexuality. It definitely is. But it isn't a normal form of sexuality.

That's retarded. It's like saying blacks are a race but they're not a normal form of a race. Homosexuals have existed as far as anyone can tell. Just because they are a minority, in a way, doesn't mean that they should be discriminated against.

Honestly, the mindset of most homophobes is this: "yuk hes gay he wants to do it with boys eww gross". And then they make up all kinds of crap to justify their hatred against homosexuals.

 

[matt561]

D:

Yes there have been many threads on the issue. It boils down to two types of people: those who disagree with it based on their religion, and those who think people should be treated equally.

I understand why people disagree with homosexuality based on religion, although I don't respect that opinion at all. People have justified many discriminatory opinions with their belief in God throughout history. I know that some people may find that offensive, but that is a fact. And don't try to pull out passages from the Bible that endorse this discrimination, because I'll just throw some more back at you that tell you how to treat your slaves/stone your children/beat your wives.

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Leave them be, and let them marry in peace. Opinions will change, eventually, and the human race will move forward.

I disagree with you

I have a friend that Goes to church is a good christian yaddy yaddy yadda

BUT

She is going out with a Girl who is alot younger than her... I mean my friend is 17 he girl is 12
But thats a differant thread

 

[txteclipse]

And where the hell did you get that from? Back up your statements.

If you can trust me linking to a PDF: https://www.wcl.american.edu/nic/resources/9. The History of Prison Sex Research.pdf

As for everything else, I'm simply speaking from personal experience. If you must ask me to illustrate further, please PM me.

 

[Ascaris]

If you can trust me linking to a PDF: https://www.wcl.american.edu/nic/resources/9. The History of Prison Sex Research.pdf

lolwow.

But most people in prison are deranged, psychotic, desperate. Most likely most of them aren't even homosexual; they're just sex hungry.

As for everything else, I'm simply speaking from personal experience. If you must ask me to illustrate further, please PM me.

There's no need for that. If you have anything to say, say it in this thread.

 

[Repo Man]

Transexuals though are completely different. You are born who you are; why the hell would you want to even change that. Many people have sex changes because they feel that they'll somehow feel happier being the other gender or they feel that their natural gender isn't right for them; it isn't even a proper reason in itself.

Others feel that because they are homosexual, changing their gender will allow them to get married in places where gay marriage is illegal. But they don't know that most of the time it doesn't work. How many of you would marry your girlfriend/boyfriend if you found out that he/she is a transexual? The arguments for gay rights don't hold for transexuality: it is unnatural and it is a choice. People who get sex changes are only ruining their lives.

So yeah... I am for gay rights but I frown down upon transexuals.

Excuse you? That's pretty insulting, especially since you yourself don't know a thing.

I have felt this deep down in my bones since I was a child. It's more than not wanting to be a boy - I am a girl inside. I know this to be true 100%, but due to some genetic quirk, I was born with a penis and not a vagina. I'm pursuing SRS, hormone therapy and all the legal as well as social issues because I feel this is right. It may not be natural per se, but it's right.

Don't try and judge what you don't even know. :|

 

[DrawnVigilance]

i dont personally think being a homosexual is the "right" thing but if they choose to be one and they feel like thats who they really are then so be it, im just all about being yourself and not someone your not.
And on the transvestite topic, im not judging anyone and no offense but i just find it to be slightly "creepy"
thats the best way i could put it i guess

 

[Xairmo]

You have to want to first of all. And if you find the answer to that question, tell me.

....You should really watch Prayers for Bobby >.>

And did you say that you're not strictly heterosexual? Are you inplying that you're bisexual and yet you still believe this propaganda to be true?

I just don't get why it's such a big issue. Why can't I be who I am? Why do you care what I do? I'll never have anyone real interaction with you, so why are you so bent on trying to tell me that I can change an irreversible trait of mine? What I do in my life is my business. They way I live my life, without fear or without being ashamed, that's my business. I'm not going to sit idlely by as you spew these ludacris ideas.

EDIT: I'd also like to state. for the purpose of the thread, that there is a difference between Transexual, Transgender, Transvestite, and Drag Queen.

 

[Gymnotide]

lolwow.

But most people in prison are deranged, psychotic, desperate. Most likely most of them aren't even homosexual; they're just sex hungry.

It's more a control thing, says my psych teacher.

 

[wakachamo]

I don't have anything against gays and I am fully for the legalisation of gay marriage.

Transexuals though are completely different. You are born who you are; why the hell would you want to even change that. Many people have sex changes because they feel that they'll somehow feel happier being the other gender or they feel that their natural gender isn't right for them; it isn't even a proper reason in itself.

Others feel that because they are homosexual, changing their gender will allow them to get married in places where gay marriage is illegal. But they don't know that most of the time it doesn't work. How many of you would marry your girlfriend/boyfriend if you found out that he/she is a transexual? The arguments for gay rights don't hold for transexuality: it is unnatural and it is a choice. People who get sex changes are only ruining their lives.

So yeah... I am for gay rights but I frown down upon transexuals.

People are free to do whatever they feel like. You can't say that transgenders are "bad" just because you don't like them.

Plus, the fact that you say it's "unnatural" doesn't really add anything to your argument either. Many consider homosexuality to be unnatural, yet it's not like that really matters now, does it?

 

[txteclipse]

....You should really watch Prayers for Bobby >.>

And did you say that you're not strictly heterosexual? Are you inplying that you're bisexual and yet you still believe this propaganda to be true?

I would have liked to handle this through PM, but in response to this and Ascaris' earlier comment, I've been a restrained zoophile for around eight years now. And it's pretty hard to classify what I've been saying as propaganda when I've experienced it firsthand.

I just don't get why it's such a big issue. Why can't I be who I am? Why do you care what I do? I'll never have anyone real interaction with you, so why are you so bent on trying to tell me that I can change an irreversible trait of mine? What I do in my life is my business. They way I live my life, without fear or without being ashamed, that's my business. I'm not going to sit idlely by as you spew these ludacris ideas.

I'm only stating what I myself think about these things, as is the purpose of this thread. I'm not telling you you have to change: I'm saying that I believe it's an option for you to. You can make whatever you want of that, but it won't change the fact that I've experienced this type of addiction firsthand and have a pretty good idea of how it works.

 

[luke]

Alright, this deviant is sick of this thread. It's only use is for people with uneducated opinions to hear themselves talk.

Please everyone. Stop trying to make "mature" threads on PC. They never work. :|