Log Horizon 2 (MORE DATABASE!)

Much better than the attack spamming nonsense prior to this episode.
 
Magic said:
The main problem is this episode didn't have a pace, let alone a slow one.

SAO actually outdid LH this week.
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I see it more as William trying to come up with a speech but just blabs about and I swear I didn't need to look at the screen at all to get what he has been saying.

This week's a huge mess alright. Also agreeing on SAO, much better than LH this week. DEEN, get your game up. ._.
 
Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/log-horizon-2/episode-10/.81845
nick on animenewsnetwork said:
This episode's speech, a speech that consumes the episode entirely, acts as both a stirring defense of gaming as identity and an acute, poignant articulation of the kind of person who'd want gaming to be their identity. William makes two central arguments in this episode, and both of them ring true. The first, the "we're not gonna take it" part of his speech, is focused largely on how he accepts that his interests are arbitrary, and believes that doesn't matter. "So what if it's just bits on a server? They matter. I've decided they matter. And I've decided that they're wonderful, glorious things!" It doesn't matter that any heroics in Elder Tale aren't accomplishments in the "real world." The time and investment he's chosen to give to Elder Tale are real. The emotions he's felt over Elder Tale are real. The bonds he's formed through Elder Tale are real. His actions in Elder Tale are real according to any human metric, according to any metric that measures life as it is lived. "We may be maggots, losers who got beat… but I won't let anyone, not even God, tell me it was a waste," he says. After that speech, I believe him.

In the second half, his speech turns to the unspoken circumstances underpinning his belief - his own personality, how it seemed unwanted in the "real world," and how much Elder Tale offered him. He talks about how he "had nothing to offer" in the real world, and though his words seem myopic and naive, that doesn't make them any less real in an emotional sense for him. This hurt isn't fabricated from nothing - it's a pain you see expressed every day online, the pain of people who think the world is a game that's rigged against them. In the context of that pain, the things he finds in Elder Tale ring wonderfully true. "I can understand your feelings because I had the game," he says, offering a poignant reflection on the way common assumed realities like games can make connections between people who lack social skills, or the confidence to impose their own views. In a game, all the variables are shared, and so much of what's necessary for conversation is taken for granted. In a game, the rules make sense, and by bonding with people in the context of those rules, you can ultimately bond over other things. Elder Tale taught William things like compromise, sympathy, and compassion, and he's not going to let some unfair raid design take away the truths he has learned in this place, or the pride he feels in his choices. He's going to fight, and he hopes his friends will fight with him.

Log Horizon knocked it out of the park this week, offering a stirring defense of games-as-identity that doubled as a poignant exploration of the worldview that would lead you to embrace them that way. The show's insights about gaming and human nature have never been more sharp than this moment. I may not agree with William's choices, but I feel like I understand him totally, and deeply sympathize with his perspective. This was a triumph of an episode.
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Hey, I don't believe that this episode was as big of a triumph as this guy does. But a good deal of stuff that he's said here rings true as far as my opinion goes. So yeah, episode wasn't as bad as you people made it seem. To me, at least. :p I kinda liked how it gave explanation about why William suddenly agreed to Shiroe's request after turning him down like that during the Round Table meet. And we got more insight into William's true personality - since, before this episode, he was nothing more than that guild leader who helps Shiroe. More insight into what goes on inside the minds of these gamers that we've been following around for a while now isn't a bad thing either - although yes, I do believe it could've been handled a bit better.
 
Let me post what I posted elsewhere:

William spoke to me. Yeah, I know it would be perceived by regular society as "weird" or "abnormal," but once you made the social connections in MMO's (heck even the web) it really does feel as real as a real world relationship. Which is why it is always sad to see a guild slowly lose members over time, but the memories carved by the bits of 1's and 0's in-game are still as real as the ones you have done in real life.

Human's are social creatures, the marginalized in our society craves to drag itself out of isolation and loneliness, Online social games are just one way of doing so. Hence why E-sports is starting to garner so much popularity over the past decade. What makes it so different from the regular sports of today? (physical exercise notwithstanding)
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A speech like that is arousing alright, but the way DEEN does it... it doesn't really ring to me at all. Sure, I understand what he means (considering what I've been through at Junior High...), but the way it was told is such a mess that I couldn't bear watching.

Which is why I said, "DEEN, get your game up." in my previous post. Satelight deals with speeches better than DEEN.
 
Candela said:
A speech like that is arousing alright, but the way DEEN does it... it doesn't really ring to me at all. Sure, I understand what he means (considering what I've been through at Junior High...), but the way it was told is such a mess that I couldn't bear watching.

Which is why I said, "DEEN, get your game up." in my previous post. Satelight deals with speeches better than DEEN.
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An understandable opinion - DEEN could've done much better, after all.

Netto Azure said:
Let me post what I posted elsewhere:
William spoke to me. Yeah, I know it would be perceived by regular society as "weird" or "abnormal," but once you made the social connections in MMO's (heck even the web) it really does feel as real as a real world relationship. Which is why it is always sad to see a guild slowly lose members over time, but the memories carved by the bits of 1's and 0's in-game are still as real as the ones you have done in real life.

Human's are social creatures, the marginalized in our society craves to drag itself out of isolation and loneliness, Online social games are just one way of doing so. Hence why E-sports is starting to garner so much popularity over the past decade. What makes it so different from the regular sports of today? (physical exercise notwithstanding)
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Why not post stuff like this over here, Netto? Helps out with the discussion, y'know? :p But yeah, I kinda understand what you were trying to say there. And I can't say I disagree with the view.

Netto Azure said:
I stopped caring about studios after SAO.

I'd just pop a nerve with all the subtle details that get lost in adaptation's causing people to use such series as shorthand for negative connotations.

I just usually sit back and be happy things get animated at all considering the state of the market nowadays.
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Weeaboo Name said:
That must have happened after the first 2 arcs of SAO because the Books were worse than the anime.
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...yeeeeaahh, let's stop before this turns into an SAO-bashfest thread. :p

Just curious though - in my case, a crappy episode of a show may put me off from watching the show altogether for a while. Is it just me? Or, since the most of you all didn't seem to like this episode much, do you all feel like that too? That the episode was so crappy it doused all the enthusiasm you had for the series or something? Temporarily, anyway.
 
They are just DEEEEEN hate drones. The problems, if you consider them probems, in that ep were pretty much all on the writer.
 
It could be the fact that people have gotten used to stuff from uftoable, madhouse, MAPPA and the like so much that DEEN's treatment (that is mostly average, tbh) pales horribly in comparison? subconsciously relating DEEN's direction to direction from some better directed shows this season can skew and distort expectations quite a bit against DEEN's favor, after all...

...or maybe it is as simple and as straightforward as the fact that there are different ways people look at the same thing and why there's no correct answer to the "problems with this episode" - which is why it was a normal episode for some of us while it was a crappy one for others.
 
uftoable - They pretty much only animate crap, but I suppose the flashy action makes up for that.
Madhouse - Formally great and still put out the odd good show now but as I have highlighted before, they have been way below average in recent years.
MAPPA - literally who...oh they did that 2cool4u filterfest that was Terror in Tokyo. They have hardly done enough to form an opinion and what I have seen hasn't been great.

Deen aren't a great studio by any stretch of the imagination but I haven't had many problems with the few shows I have seen from them in recent years. LH, Rozen Maiden, Sankarea and Giant Killing. Their biggest problem seems to be the stuff they choose to animate imo.
 
MAPPA - Terror on Tokyo and Shingeki no Bahamut. Plot/Content is questionable but their direction has been much better than what you'd see in a normal anime. Madhouse may not be as great as they were before but their direction is miles ahead of anything you'd see from, say, something that Toei does. That's what it is all about - direction. We're not talking the quality of content they put out as a whole, laptrap, just the way these companies handle things that are handed to them.

I don't consider DEEN as bad as Toei (****ing ruining mah one piece..) but they're definitely not topping the list of studios I like. They're average. Not as bad as Toei and not as good as Madhouse, for me at least.
 
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Toei are way ahead of Deen imo, thanks to a lot of older shows they are one of my favourite studios. You are right though, they should put more effort into One Piece and other long running series.

They put out one of the best shows of last year mind
 
Well... I still don't get Demikas... At least, there was a battle and the master strategist is in action.

And at least it went slightly higher in my priority list.

Well... I still don't get Demikas... At least, there was a battle and the master strategist is in action.

And at least it went slightly higher in my priority list.
 
I'm still not on the latest episode right now lel. But I did manage to finally get to this series again and finish till episode 12. I must say, I really enjoyed the boss fight. Will hopefully be done with 13th and 14th eps today (too many on-going shows lmao)

Wonder who all those shady figures were, though? The "Princess" is probably the hot girl who appeared at the end of season 1, I guess? And one of them, "KR" I believe, is apparently an old member of Tea Party, at least that's what Shiroe's statement implied. Really curious to see where the show goes from here.

Log Horizon, while not as fun as the first season, still is a very enjoyable show. I'm glad I got into the series. :3
 
Only recently marathoned up till the latest episode.
Nice to see the Gold of the Kunie arc come to an end. Some slow bits, but I really loved the final raid boss episodes. One of the parts I was really intrigued by were Shiroe's and Akatsuki's real life appearances. We only get a slight glimpse of their lives in the real world - hope we get to see more.

Hope Krusty comes back soon.
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The Go East! arc looks really fun. With a bunch of ex-Debauchery Tea Party members appearing: K.R., Inctis, Kazuhiko and Kaname. Would love to see what they'll get up to and if we'll get to hear more of the Debauchery Tea Party's past.

And on an unrelated note, found this on tumblr:
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