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Syaoran

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    The goal here is to get the screens going with Latias (luring Pursuit users), then attemping a sweep with Empoleon, Lucario, or even Gyarados. Empoleon is possibly the weakest link here, since Agility is not enough to guarantee a full sweep when 100 base speed scarfers like Flygon are roaming everywhere. Besides, Zapdos could potentially become a big problem after Latias is down (which usually happens earlier in the battle).


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    Jirachi @ Expert Belt
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/180 Spd/72 SAtk
    Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    • Fire Punch
    • Grass Knot
    • Iron Head
    • Stealth Rock


    This is a pretty good lead. It can bluff Scarf with Expert Belt, which is pretty nice. The high flinch rate from Iron Head helps it against Smeargle and Mamoswine; Grass Knot catches Hippowdon off guard when they usually SR first turn and then switch as I set up my own SR. Jirachi also makes a nice check vs Lucario.


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    Latias (F) @ Light Clay
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Spd/8 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    • Thunderbolt / Surf
    • Draco Meteor
    • Reflect
    • Light Screen


    The core of this team. I forgo Recover because it dies anyway to Pursuit and wastes screen turns. Thunderbolt helps to scare Gyarados and is a nice neutral hit on other steels. On the other hand, Surf helps me against Heatran and the annoying Gliscor. Dragon Pulse doesn't pack enough oomph to KO other dragons without heavy EV investment in SAtk, so maybe I'll try Draco Meteor to compensate for that.


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    Jolteon (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Bolt Absorb
    EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    • Thunderbolt
    • HP Ice
    • Shadow Ball
    • Baton Pass


    The standard SpecsJolt but with LO instead. I don't like being locked on 1 move, especially on an offensive team that can't afford many switches. HP Ice helps against Gliscor and the dragons. Shadow Ball is for Rotom and Celebi. I needed a pokemon that could threaten Zapdos and Gyarados that aren't extremely fast.


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    Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    • Extremespeed
    • Swords Dance
    • Close Combat
    • Crunch


    Standard SD Lucario. Works great with Latias setting up those screens. Adamant because I prefer the more power. SR is extremely crucial for this to work.


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    Gyarados (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 156 HP/72 Atk/96 Def/184 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    • Waterfall
    • Taunt
    • Dragon Dance
    • Stone Edge


    Ugh, depsite my loathing to less than 100% accuracy moves, Stone Edge is needed here, to get at other Gyarados who may spell the end for me if Latias is down. Gyarados serves as the 2nd fire/fighting resist and ground immune on my team. Taunt is useful for stopping Baton Pass chains, status and recovery.


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    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 240 HP/252 Atk/16 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    • Bullet Punch
    • U-turn
    • Superpower
    • Pursuit


    I know it seems kinda out of place, but really, Scizor can fit on pretty much every team, lol. Not once I got to use Superpower, so I might change it to Quick Attack, as I usually run from stuff like Heatran, or just U-turn to avoid Magnezone switch ins instead of blindly firing Superpower.



    Rate Away, and feel free to rip off ^_^;]
     
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    As I don't have time for any decent rate, I will say that keeping Superpower on Scizor is important. I recently read a Warstory on smogon where Superpower stopped Heatran and Magnezone from switching into it. Without it, Scizor isn't as 'threatening' as it can be.

    Speaking of said Magnezone... =/

    4 steels on your team, each loses to either HP Fire or Thunderbolt. You want to hope you can get your screen up early enough, or else you'll be in trouble. ScarfMaggy is definately a problem I would look at rectifying. I would think that Empoleon can go, as you have also noted it's place on the team seems to be limited. Heatran can work actually. It can't have both HP Ground and HP Fire, so once it switches into something, and since Latias resists both, it will give you an indication of what Hidden Power it's running and give you a chance to set-up from there.

    Other than that, SD Gliscor can go in that same spot. It's still another set-up sweeper, and also provides bulk, and can use Light Screen support to it's advantage. (Is also another TTar check who otherwise halts Latias) Maybe even a Rock Polish BP set, whatever floats your boat. It also doesn't fear Maggy unless it's running HP ICE, in which case Lucario or Jirachi can pick it off.

    I loathe australians. Go die.

    :( </3
     
    i actually really like aussies but not when battling lol

    People assume CB Scizor is carrying Superpower anyway so Scizor is still threatening until I use Quick Attack.

    Interesting point about Magnezone, I just haven't ran into it lately, and from personal experience I thought the LO version was more common, but guess not. The thing is, Lucario is usually out only when the screens are active, so Magnezone can't revenge me then.

    Gliscor is interesting, I'll try it out. thanks
     
    Scizor is still threatening until I use Quick Attack.

    Then after you use Quick Attack, your opponent realises you don't have Superpower and in comes Lucario for an easy set up, Heatran for the kill (or sets up a Sub, which would force Latias or Gliscor in to handle, Lati taking Toxic and Gliscor a Fire Blast) and Magnezone for the same thing. At least with Superpower, any non-HP Fire varients are going to bite the dust. Where does Quick Attack come in handy anyway? Does it OHKO Infernape or something? x)

    It's similar to the Bronzong theory. 'People assume I'm using Levitate until they realise it's actually Heatproof... in which case you're basically screwed over by a large number of threats that Levitate Bronzong wouldn't worry about. (i.e Dugtrio)

    i actually really like aussies but not when battling lol

    I'll let you off this time... :)
     
    That moveslot is never used anyway. QA is useful against Gyara, Kingdra, Zapdos, Infernape, Jolteon, etc. Don't worry I haven't changed it yet =,=
    Lati doesn't care about Toxic, as long as she manages to get some screens.
     
    Jirachi lead according to me can never live without U-Turn or Trick in combination with Choice Scarf, with this team you have to be very careful to JollyMamoswine with Life Orb and to Jolteon Life Orber and lost Latias at Scarfdos and also Scarfcross with Stealth Rock you from many problems, even you could replace Empoleon (what I add it has a very predictable moveset) with a counter for that Pokémon it.
     
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    Jirachi lead according to me can never live without U-Turn or Trick in combination with Choice Scarf, with this team you have to be very careful to JollyMamoswine with Life Orb and to Jolteon Life Orber and lost Latias at Scarfdos and also Scarfcross with Stealth Rock you from many problems, even you could replace Empoleon (what I add it has a very predictable moveset) with a counter for that Pokémon it.

    Again, Gliscor checks Heracross as well, so I think SDGliscor > Empoleon is an idea.
     
    Choice Scarf Jirachi is pretty bad imo. Aero/Mamo leads lure it to use Iron Head and then Magnezone comes in to trap and kill you. With Gliscor I really don't need to worry about Heracross, and Scarfdos can be handled by Gliscor as well since it's immune to its main STAB. LO Jolt can be handled thanks to priority moves, SR and LO damange.
     
    Update:
    - I altered Jirachi's EVs a bit, and made it naive.
    - Jolteon has taken Empoleon's place.

    @T_S:
    I tried Gliscor, only to find out that I am Gliscor weak! LOL. Jolteon seems to be doing better in this spot.
     
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