Not evenSleek said:Or we can answer his question. Teach it thunder and flash. i must go, more explaining later!
I have a lv 100 Manetric (Boltstryke) who can bearly even be touched by the opponent, And Double Team over Flash you know why? If you don't want Double Team anymore you can delete it, Flash is there forever. And Manetric is pure Electric dolt, it doesn't need Steel moves which it can't learn and is a waste of a turn you could of attacked with. And Steel is good against Rock and Ice and Dragon (no super effective, just effective), Manetric can hold it own against those 3. I wonder sometimes "Is this guy trying to make me diss him? Or is he a n00b?" Because Iron Tail has like a 20% chance of raising Defence. I wonder how long it will take you to find out there is no Iron Tail TM anymore, and that Manetric can't breed with Steel.Sleek said:i sense that u have a problem with me spike. anyway, flash is better than double team, since lower their accuracy is better than evasivness. and if you want your pokemon to be better, roar is not needed. get a defensive attack like iron defense, or to mix it up, get an offensive attack, iron tail (oddly enough, manectric can learn these attacks. this way you have a steel attack which is super effective against certain pokemon.
frostweaver said:um...
-roar
-thunderbolt
-crunch
-thunderwave
With such great speed, it's a complete waste without thunderwave. Double team is great but with such low defense it's too hard to pull off, so may as well stick with the offensive side.
If its Defence is so low then why Crunch? Dark isn't really the best element, lack of things to do x2 to. And if you lowered your opponents Sp.Def then you would prob die after they use Earthquake, no chance to use Thunderbolt as a combo.
And Spike Razzor mind to do a little research first? Iron Tail drops defense, as Steel Wing is the one to raise defense. The Iron Tail tm is TM 23 so you must be missing a tm somewhere... Shockwave is a tm filler... don't use it for any pokemon (like wow 100% accuracy big deal... if you really are so worried about double team, you should be getting a hazer not shockwave. The only reason why aerial ace is so commonly used even though it's the same thing as aerial ace or swift is that it's a flying move, and flying moves are hard to come by, while there's the good old thunderbolt which is better than shockwave in all ways possible)
Well, by the time I get a Hazer out it dies. And please, read Shockwave/Thunderbolt there is an option there is you didn't seem. I never once said which was better. And yes accuracy is a big deal, If moves like Thunderbolt/Flamthrower/Ice beam/Earthqake/Thunder wave ect where 55 or 60 accuracy do you think people would use them? This would mean longer boring whoever hits first battle.
309 (no personality bonus) sp.att is not weak at all... or you must have very high expectations for your Pokemon... manectric is perfectly fine without rain dance. Plus with rain dance there's more harm than gain... I don't really want to give the opponent a chance to retaliate with a OHKO-Surf... plus once again, too long of a setup with this low defense.
The Sp.Atk for mine seems low, maybe it is the Personality bonus. And you do realize noone is dumb enough to use Rain Dance when there is a Water type out, and even if they switch then that OHKO for them when I zap 'um.
and let's not call anyone "Noob" or "Stupid". Everyone needs to start somewhere, and *flame* I don't see why are you calling someone "noob" if you believe that there's no iron tail tm... *ends flame*
How can you not believethere was a Iron Tail TM if we all know it was in GSC, I said there was no. Not I don't believe, theres a difference.
You need to calm down, prob still mad from the Aggron topic. I know that for a fact cause Sleek here is saying "No need for Roar.", and you havn't said anything.
Spike Razzor said:If its Defence is so low then why Crunch? Dark isn't really the best element, lack of things to do x2 to. And if you lowered your opponents Sp.Def then you would prob die after they use Earthquake, no chance to use Thunderbolt as a combo.
Dark is not a good element? Only fighting, dark and steel have resistancy against them. It has quite a big advantage against psychic and ghost types (argh... stupid Dusclops). Plus it's the only sp.att Manectric can ever learn without going into Hidden Power. So why not? It's not about the sp.def part, but just another sp.att so you can switch over to modest personality.
Well, by the time I get a Hazer out it dies. And please, read Shockwave/Thunderbolt there is an option there is you didn't seem. I never once said which was better. And yes accuracy is a big deal, If moves like Thunderbolt/Flamthrower/Ice beam/Earthqake/Thunder wave ect where 55 or 60 accuracy do you think people would use them? This would mean longer boring whoever hits first battle.
I am fully aware of the option, but however regardless of ANY case, thunderbolt will ALWAYS prevail over shockwave. Thunderbolt can never miss without sandveil or double team. Though double team is certainly deadly, I don't think that it's really worth it to sacrifice 30-some attack power just to handle double team (and the most common double team-er is Dusclops, and shockwave isn't going to scratch that guy). Also, if shockwave is really so powerful, well... i don't see people use swift over return in the past GSC game.
The Sp.Atk for mine seems low, maybe it is the Personality bonus. And you do realize noone is dumb enough to use Rain Dance when there is a Water type out, and even if they switch then that OHKO for them when I zap 'um.
Well let's drop the water type and switch to something that's neutral against electric type then. You use rain dance first turn to setup thunder, however this turn is rather fatally dangerous for manectric unless you are up against a staller. I'm not a gambler myself and i would like something more practical in every situation, even if it's less effective in the long run. Plus being someone who is mortally paranoid about pressure+protect, i do prefer an attack with a bit more PP than that.
How can you not believethere was a Iron Tail TM if we all know it was in GSC, I said there was no. Not I don't believe, theres a difference.
Um... very sorry but my english/communication skill is failing me here >_<
You need to calm down, prob still mad from the Aggron topic. I know that for a fact cause Sleek here is saying "No need for Roar.", and you havn't said anything.
Im going to bed, nite.frostweaver said:Firstly i hold different expectations from the 2 types of people here- ingame trainers and online battlers. From another post, you play on Netbattle as well and so I would expect you to be someone equal or better than me (including knowledge such as pseudohazer, thunder+thunderbolt=no no and etc). When Sleek reaches the point where s/he will get on online battling, i would up my expectation as well (like reading an essay from a gr.7 and a gr.10. You hold different expectations).
Ah, I see. I use Netbattle but not RSbot (Im lost when it comes to Bots). So im just playing Lv100's in the Battle Tower in Sapphire.
Now about the "madness" thing certainly driven to insanity with the everyday stalker alert and essay pressure... but now it's not the aggron topic issue alone, but over a long period of time, your posting style has farmed and accumulated these hatred in my heart towards you already. Not just once, but multiple times have I seen a very negative register post from you (and a few others as well.)
I can't really say much, only posted in this area oly a few time. Im bearly on anymore thanks to some people annoying (who will go unnamed). And yes I have a short temper! Your lucky I wasn't swearing or being violent XD! And I just have urges to challange people's knowledge and put them under pressure. You should be happy, it making you sharper so you don't dull.
You can now. It makes the enemy Pok?mon switch with another, very irritating if used against you.Mikoudi said:roar isnt much use, because you can't use it against a trainer,?
1.Was I talking to you? I swear I was talking to Frost.Sleek said:ahh yes, another person has a problem with spike. personally, if something is between someone and I, I like to end the grudge (as in such case with miroku). but spike, u got no chance. even though this isnt the proper topic, i believe what u do is called flaming or bashing (ironically im kinda doin that now) and shall result in banning. i know im not a moderator, but i know frostweaver has more power than me, and can get kairi to ban u (not to be threatning, but i have to get this out).
If you knew you where a n00b then why would you post comments at all? Some people like me have played this since R/B, we know whats were doing. Whats pisses us off is when someone who doesn't know what hes saying comes up and tries to challanges us, most of the time we show them where they belong and shut them up. Unlike the n00bs here and now-a-days I kept my mouth shut till I knew what I was doing.frostweaver said:Flaming does not result in a ban but only a warning. However if any member does not stop flamming but instead continously flame other members for the smallest reasons possible, then further actions will be carried out by the staff members...
now before this ugly hubris returns, let's not bash the "noobs." Remember that you were once a "noob" too in Pokemon. You aren't born knowing everything, but you need time yourself to discover things. These people are in this stage. Let them learn more about it. Instead of bashing them to discourage them from playing the game, teach them so they'll become the pros of the game in the future.