Meh, one more attempt

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    Not much to say,ive play tested this team a bit and its doing fairly well, 17 losses out of 57 battles is good I suppose. I know this team will have some gaping weaks, but ive tried to cover most of them and this is what I came up with.






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    Gliscor @ Leftovers
    Impish Nature
    Trait: Sand Veil
    252 HP | 40 Defense | 216 Speed
    -Earthquake
    -Stealth Rock
    -Roost
    -Stone Edge
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    Gliscor is a fairly good lead. Good defense allows him to take physical hits well, and either SR or strike back with one of his two attacks. Gliscor usually sets ups rocks and retreats, switching to one of my sweepers.




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    Starmie @ Choice Scarf
    Modest Nature
    Trait: Natural Cure
    252 Special Attack | 252 Speed | 4 HP
    -Hydro Pump
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunderbolt
    -Trick
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    One of my bulky(I guess) sweepers. Starmie can come in on water and Ice attacks aimed at gliscor, fire attacks aimed at meta etc. Hydro pump > surf for power. Its also great at revenge killing things like mence | gyara after a single DD. Also keeps Infernape at bay.




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    Metagross @ Choice Band
    Adamant Nature
    Trait: Clear Body
    252 HP | 236 Attack | 12 Defense | 8 Speed
    -Meteor Mash
    -Earthquake
    -Zen Headbutt
    -Ice Punch | Explosion | Bullet Punch
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    CB meta is just a beast. Impressive stats all around make it one of my favorite pokemon. He can come in on things like Outrages from mence, and OHKO them with Ice Punch. He has a nice resistances to Steel, Rock, and Psychic which is very useful. I really need help on the last slot, as I can use Ice punch for dragons, bullet punch for priority, or Explosion for killing....everthing.





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    Tyranitar @ Life Orb | Babiri Berry
    Jolly Nature
    Trait: Sand Stream
    252 Attck | 252 Speed | 4 HP
    -Dragon Dance
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch
    -Fire Punch
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    With two fighting resists on my team, T-Tar should have no problems getting in a DD and sweeping. The item choice is my main concern though. Technically I could just switch to Meta or Starmie to take bullet punches from Scizor, But I could also run a Babiri Berry and stay in and attack. I need opinions here.




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    Infernape @ Life Orb
    Niave Nature
    Trait: Blaze
    64 Attack | 252 Special Attack | 192 Speed
    -Fire Blast
    -Close Combat
    -Hidden Power Ice
    -Grass Knot
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    Mixape serves as a wall breaker. He also helps me take out things like opposing Metagross, Weavile, unscarf heatran, and Scizor just to name a few. He also lends me a grass , bug, and fire resistance.




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    Gengar @ Life Orb
    Timid Nature
    Trait: Levitate
    252 Special Attack | 252 Speed | 4 Special Defense
    -Will-O-Wisp
    -Hidden Power Fire
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
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    BurnGar 2.0 (or w/e D_A calls it) I fell that it fits in nicely here. I noticed my team has prolems witl luke, so I added this guy. He can come in on predicted Close Combats, burn it, and kill it. HP fire is for steels, like the before mentioned Lucario, and also scizor. Another ground immunity also.


    Well thats my new fail team. I know its most likely Metagame weak so yeah. Just more fresh meat.
     
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    Focus Blast >>T-Bolt on Gengar, for tar and being unresisted with ghost and having more coverage.

    Trick >> Psychic on starmie to help with stall.

    Psychic isnt clever on starmie since most of its common switch ins dont care about it anyway lol.


    Ill come back for a better rate later.

    EDIT :

    Zen Headbutt >> T-Punch on Meta, for more neutral coverage. Hits Swampert, Rotoms, Zappy, Gyara all with one slot.
     
    Gengar would be better having Tbolt over HP.Fire.
     
    Get bullet punched or possibly pursiuited.

    Starmie has thunderbolt for crap like gyara and whatnot.
     
    Consider Thunderpunch in your 4th slot on Meta. It lols at Gyara who, for a long time, frustratingly came in and sponged all my hits and forced me to switch. If Gyara isn't that much of a problem consider BP for DDTar with Life Orb and such after they have boosted speed. I'm not a big fan of blowing myself up, and dragons nearly never switch in on you.

    Without running Babiri Berry, running Fire Punch is pointless. Scizor does a fair amount of damage to you before you kill it.

    59.36% - 69.88% <--- CBScizor does this to you with Bullet Punch. Considering SR and LO recoil you die one turn after killing it or switch out and lose to SR when you switch back in.

    Run LO/Leftovers and run Aqua Tail. You already cover Scizor with Infernape anyway.

    Run Surf>>Hydro Pump here. Hydro Pump doesn't any more important kills than Surf and the accuracy can be frustrating if the game depends on it or w/e.

    Hope I helped.

    ~OR
     
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    Did you use Metalkids for that BP Calc? If so its wrong since it doesnt account for technician. >.<


    87.72% - 103.51% CB Bullet Punch vs Tar.

    43.86% - 51.75% CB Bullet Punch vs Tar @ Type Resist berry.


    Also CB Zen Headbutt wrecks even Bulky Gyara after SR with a nice chance to OHKO (apart from those Rest Talk ones but they suck anyway lol). Bullet Punch would probably be better since you lack any other priority.

    Hydro Pump might still be better here, doing up to 91% to min HP Scizor and for a team THIS SD Scizor weak that might be nice since Starmie resists Bullet Punch so yeah.
     
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    Dark_Azelf said:
    Did you use Metalkids for that BP Calc? If so its wrong since it doesnt account for technician. >.<


    87.72% - 103.51% CB Bullet Punch vs Tar.

    43.86% - 51.75% CB Bullet Punch vs Tar @ Type Resist berry.
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    Yeah, I did use Metalkids. I thought that was wrong but didn't know any more damage calcs and didn't have a way of testing it. lol

    Infernape revenges SD Scizor not running Superpower since it resists the two STABs (unless Metalkids is wrong again)

    ~OR
     
    Bullet punch does like ~80% To ape so if its weakened it falls.
     
    Overrated said:
    Yeah, I did use Metalkids. I thought that was wrong but didn't know any more damage calcs and didn't have a way of testing it. lol

    Infernape revenges SD Scizor not running Superpower since it resists the two STABs (unless Metalkids is wrong again)

    ~OR
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    https://www.ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

    Syndrome said:
    Bullet punch does like ~80% To ape so if its weakened it falls.
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    I mean you CAN deal with it but its kinda iffy with what you have.
     
    oh, no I get ya.

    Im starting to think about replacing starmie, as recently its done crap, Im thinking gyara or vappy, but what do you guys think?
     
    Have you tried psychic/grass knot on starmie? If the aren't that handy, you could try replacing with another water such as Suicune or Slowbro, or if you want a sweeper you could try Gallade or Weavile.
     
    >>Starmie you could run something to help deal with your Scizor weak. Rotom-h would do the job as well as take Gyara. As for mence, you need to make sure you get the rocks up so it isn't such a nuisance.
     
    Syndrome said:
    Im starting to think about replacing starmie, as recently its done crap, Im thinking gyara or vappy, but what do you guys think?
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    Maybe because you're treating it as a Bulky version, but with the wrong EV spread? Bulky Starmie is kind of pointless unless you're running Rapid Spin/Recover anyways. Treat it as a pure sweeper, and always assume it can't take a hit, because while she can, she can't take more powerful ones all that well.

    I've been using Starmie for quite a while, and I must say that Choice Specs is the way to go. Mine OHKOed a full HP Salamence which also carried a Yache Berry. The ability to outrun virtually everything is good, but Starmie's 100 base Special Attack has become slightly mediocre in this generation. Timid/Choice Specs gives, in my opinion, the greatest stat distribution for a sweeping Starmie, as opposed to Modest/Scarf, or the Timid/Scarf, which seriously hinders her Special Attack.
     
    Thing is, Scarf Starmie is like your only defense against DD Gyarados and DD Salamence. There are very few pokes that keep both in check, you are pretty much limited to Scarf Ape (HP Ice + T-Punch), Scarf Gar, Porygon2 etc, other than that you are stuck with meh things like Scarf Raikou, Scarf Latias and Scarf Ambipom so yeah lol.
     
    Considering I replace it with P-2, what would my team fear?
     
    12 Spe on Meta

    Gliscor @ Leftovers
    Impish Nature
    Trait: Sand Veil
    252 HP | 40 Defense | 216 Speed
    -Earthquake
    -Stealth Rock
    -Roost
    -Stone Edge
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    Jolly

    180 HP / 96 Atk / 16 Def / 216 Spe

    2HKOs lead Metagross and outruns Lucario

    UTurn over Stone Edge imo
     
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