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Mew or Arceus as Pokemon Ancestor

Well, i think it is mew, no matter how ugly it is.
Its the ancestor of pokemon(excluding porygon line), and can learn any move to an extent.
Arceus is just based off of a myth, and even then, it isn't a god.
its only been called a god by fans and nothing else.
even if Arceus may have created the universe, it doesn't make it the creator of everything(even though universe means "one everything" in Latin).
i guess some people just can't grasp the definition of god.
 
~Fire said:
Well, i think it is mew, no matter how ugly it is.
Its the ancestor of pokemon(excluding porygon line), and can learn any move to an extent.
Arceus is just based off of a myth, and even then, it isn't a god.
its only been called a god by fans and nothing else.
even if Arceus may have created the universe, it doesn't make it the creator of everything(even though universe means "one everything" in Latin).
i guess some people just can't grasp the definition of god.
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Go to the Canalave Library in your Diamond or Pearl game, read every book and every chapter. Arceus is the "Alpha Pokemon" species, meaning BEGINNING, he was the beginning of all, he created Dialga and Palkia to control space and time and from that he created the earth using Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Read the books in the Canalave library it tells you very straight forward.
 
UberChomp said:
Go to the Canalave Library in your Diamond or Pearl game, read every book and every chapter. Arceus is the "Alpha Pokemon" species, meaning BEGINNING, he was the beginning of all, he created Dialga and Palkia to control space and time and from that he created the earth using Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Read the books in the Canalave library it tells you very straight forward.
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But it said that the original one created two.
it was born from an egg that came out of the darkness.
there wasn't anything specific about that.
And please don't think arceus was the beginning just because it was called the alpha pokemon. How do you know that the "egg" wasn't a mew egg?
besides, it(as in the dex) also says that groudon is a continent, which is extremely ludicrous because it is too small to be one.

EDIT: And i know he created them, but they shouldn't have named it a continent.
why not just the "land pokemon"?
 
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If I had a dollar for every thread on this topic... XD;

Anyway! Like it's been stated, Arceus was the creator of the rest of the Pokémon world. Born from an egg in a realm of chaos or something. And from him some of the other legendaries were formed, including Mew. Mew just has the DNA of all the Pokémon in it, but in my opinion, that doesn't really make it the ancestor of all the Pokémon :[
 
Oh Gawd.

Mew = Ancestor
Arceus = Creator

Big Different here people.
And plus Its been said many different times.

 
~Fire said:
But it said that the original one created two.
it was born from an egg that came out of the darkness.
there wasn't anything specific about that.
And please don't think arceus was the beginning just because it was called the alpha pokemon. How do you know that the "egg" wasn't a mew egg?
besides, it(as in the dex) also says that groudon is a continent, which is extremely ludicrous because it is too small to be one.

EDIT: And i know he created them, but they shouldn't have named it a continent.
why not just the "land pokemon"?
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Uh...no. It doesn't say that he is a Continent. It says he is the Continent Pokemon. That means he REPRESENTS the continents, not that he IS one...>_> Other examples: Jirachi, the Wish pokemon. Jirachi is not a wish, wish is just a one-word descriptor of Jirachi. Same with the lake pokemon. They're not Knowledge, Emotion, and Willpower, they REPRESENT knowledge, emotion, and willpower.

It wasn't a Mew egg because Arceus existed before the universe. If you don't think Arceus is being referred to in the Canalave Library, you're just being ignorant.
 
So what if they're different? I don't see the relevance. The principal issue is that if Mew is the ancestor to all pokémon, there is no reason Arceus should be exempt from that. If Mew predates time and Space, surely it might also predate the God which fashioned the world.
 
Yes, but I always interpreted the PokéDex entry as Mew being the ancestor of all modern day Pokémon. That is, it would be a link in the evolutionary process to the creatures one would see on an everyday stroll, as it were. I don't believe this includes such, dare I say, mythological Pokémon such as Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie. It is my belief that the majority of the people inhabiting the Pokémon World do not believe the aforementioned creatures to be actual Pokémon, and therefore were not considered when the term "ancestor of all Pokémon" was given.

This ties in to what the vast majority of you have been saying. Arceus is the creator. The "Alpha Pokémon" was born out of an infinite void of chaos and created two beings, Palkia and Dialga. These two beings shaped what we understand as time and space and therefore created the fabric that was to be the entire universe as we know it. Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza would not come into the scene until much later; perhaps when the earth was to be molded into the familiar form we see today. The origin of those three seem a little irrelevant in this matter, however.

My point is, Mew is not the first being. Mew is simply a "missing link," if you will, in the evolutionary chain that has shaped the modern day Pokémon before us. Perhaps I'm being a bit too editorial and not simply stating the facts, however; this has always been the simplest solution in my eyes. If Mew is, indeed, the ancestor to only modern day Pokémon, then one can understand how Mew does not predate Arceus. This is my understanding of the two, feel free to refute it if you wish.
 
Has Arceus even been confirmed as a real Pokémon yet? *Sorry, I'm new to the whole Arceus concept, I know nothing about Arceus*
 
transcender said:
So what if they're different? I don't see the relevance. The principal issue is that if Mew is the ancestor to all pokémon, there is no reason Arceus should be exempt from that. If Mew predates time and Space, surely it might also predate the God which fashioned the world.
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Except, Mew doesn't predate time and space, because that has never once been said about him in any way. That HAS been said about Arceus however.

[SqS]Squirtle said:
Has Arceus even been confirmed as a real Pokémon yet? *Sorry, I'm new to the whole Arceus concept, I know nothing about Arceus*
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He's in the coding, in Battle Revolution, and he's in the current movie being made (12th movie). So, yes.
 
Arceus or Mew?

Well, just because Mew came first in the PokeDex doesn't mean it came first in the universe. Supposedly, Pokemon scientists just discovered Mew first, right? In my opinion, Mew is the ancestor, and Arceus is the creator. But like I said, either one could've come first because Arceus was just discovered after Mew.
 
Arceus is the God of Pokemonm, he was the first and greatest (but mewtwo can wack him one.....)
 
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But like I said, either one could've come first because Arceus was just discovered after Mew.
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Not exactly. It says in the Canalave Library that in the beginning there was one. Arceus is stated as having been born before the universe existed. Therefore, he is the ONLY POSSIBLE ONE TO BE THE FIRST POKEMON.

I really think there are two reasons this is even being debated.

1) People confuse the words "creator" and "ancestor".

2) People are fanboys of Mew/First gen pokemon.

Because never ever ever EVER was Mew EVER presumed to be the creator of all pokemon.
 
Mew is the ancestor of all pokemon, meaning its a far off relative from a long time ago obviously meaning it contains the DNA that was transferred to all the pokemon lower in the "family" tree. Arceus = creator, meaning obviously it created the pokemon universe and pokemon in the first place. The difference is obvious.
 
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Except, Mew doesn't predate time and space, because that has never once been said about him in any way. That HAS been said about Arceus however.
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If you assume Arceus predates time and space, and assume Arceus is a descendant of Mew, then Mew predates time and space because he predates Dialga and Palkia, who shaped time and space. Predates is an awkward word here for obvious reasons but the fact that an egg existed in void gives enough leeway – I mean, if we assume that there was some way of shape – then if we apply that and take Mew's lore literally, that he is believed to be the anscestor of all pokémon, this conflicts with Arceus's dex directly. Because, Arceus IS a pokémon, and therefore, maybe a descendant of Mew.

I guess all I'm saying is, I don't think everything is as clear as you think it is, and maybe if you spent half as much time considering other the alternatives as you do calling people who hold opposing opinions fanboys (and being kind of blunt with them, honestly) instead, this argument could be a lot more thought provoking for everyone involved.

Personally, I call to fault shoddy authorship on part of the gamemakers: it seems with the introduction of Arceus they wanted to retcon Mew as an anscestor, and make him into a more generic celestial figure. This is evidenced by Mew's down-played role as genetic anamoly in his most recent movie.
 
This is unusual. Mew is what I call a anomaly. Arcues may be RUMOURED to be the creater of pokemon (I am sure we will find out for sure). First let me remind people of the 7th movie I believe which showed Mew at the very top of the pokemon family tree....

The problem is each of the RUmours suggested clash

Mew is considered the ANcestor of ALL pokemon. Therefore everyother pokemon is a common descent because their ancestor is mew.

Now following these so called info given against mew it would be suggested he would be the first pokemon ever born and must of died away ages ago (obviously this isnt the case as he appeared in the movies...bit weird they found a hair peice of of mew? to make mewtwo) but he could be in form of another pokemon remember.

Anyway then their come Arcues, now he is labelled as the creator of all Pokemon. this would mean the first egg which was ever appeared was not mew but arcues? wait...but how?

the info they gave on mew is that mew is the ANCESTOR OF ALL existing pokemon and ever other pokemon is a descent of mew. Key words for me as EXISTING for mew and CREATOR FOR arceus...

so if you consider arceus a pokemon he must be a descent of mew since mew is the ancestor of ALL pokemon. if you consider him the creator then he MAY NOT BE a pokemon but mew was the first pokemon in that egg and arcues already existed and using mews dna he created all other pokemon?

so many ways we can see this? my personal view is arceus is not a pokemon. mew was the first to be created. arcues is another being who used mews dna to create other pokemon therefore him being the creator of pokemon and mew being the ancestor- this is also backed up with mew being on the top of the pokemon family tree and not arceus...

he probbaly did create the legendary pokemon to control land,fiire,sea,electric in sky and ground etc...

regardless of this i think mewtow is the most pwoerfullest pokemon who can defeat all legendaries...remember his power was even stronger than the first movie and could block all attack with his powers and could move huge lands with people on with his powers etc..

Edit@ another possibility is arceus could have got some of mews dna to make himself part pokemon etc? this would also explain how mew could be the ancetsor of all pokemon and arcues being another being but turning into a pokemon to create all other pokemon which would mean they would have mews dna since he does..
 
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