Mewtwo vs. Goku

Who would win: Goku or Mewtwo?

  • Mewtwo would kick butt.

    Votes: 33 62.3%

  • Goku owns this fight.

    Votes: 17 32.1%

  • Neither would win, they're both indestructable.

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Total voters
    53
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LittleFascistPanties16 said:
No it can't. Psychic attacks take physical form. If they didn't, then Mewtwo would just be attacking Goku's mind, which doesen't matter, because, Goku's strength for this fight lies within his strength and speed.
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If goku's mind is cripled so would his body...no nerve cells?
 
that's true. So if anyoen got undone by teh pain, it woudl be Goku, not Mewtwo.
 
blue said:
If goku's mind is cripled so would his body...no nerve cells?
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Notice I said mind and not brain. Meaning that his brain wouldn't be killed instantaneously if thats what you meant. As for his mind dying, that would take some effort. Anyways psychic power is just another energy blast. Powered by mind, one of the four essential forces of a human: Body Mind Spirt Soul.

The whole purpose of any type of energy blast is to utilize one of those forces into physical-energy form.
 
LittleFascistPanties16 said:
Notice I said mind and not brain. Meaning that his brain wouldn't be killed instantaneously if thats what you meant. As for his mind dying, that would take some effort. Anyways psychic power is just another energy blast. Powered by mind, one of the four essential forces of a human: Body Mind Spirt Soul.

The whole purpose of any type of energy blast is to utilize one of those forces into physical-energy form.
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Oh boy,lol. Any form of psychic attack would have a deveistating effect on goku's allready dumb self,lol. The orgen itself wouldent be harmed. But the mind would.
 
blue said:
Oh boy,lol. Any form of psychic attack would have a deveistating effect on goku's allready dumb self,lol. The orgen itself wouldent be harmed. But the mind would.
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You seem to forget that it doesn't attack the mind, It's damage is physical. Thats kinda like the point of my last post.
Pogiforce-14 said:
Even if it takes someeffort, althoguh i doubt it will, Mewtwo could still do it, leaving Goku a vegetable.

And just for teh record, spirit and soul are teh same thing.
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Spirit and Soul are not the same thing.
They are very similar but they are not the same thing.
 

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shadowman321 said:
his power doesnt increase in near death... u mustve meant something like rage mode or something like that. and plus, a dbz supersonic warriors battle would make much more sence due 2 how u can fly in the air at will. a level 1 battle and goku can just use kaioken and then spririt bomb and then punch him in the face and he wins. a level 2 battle may be trickier 4 goku since on how his moves sucks (level 1 and 3 are my favourite). but a level 3 battle and goku could keep on using warp kamehameha and he would win (heh i keep on trying that on majin buu XD). though there are different outcomes but in the way i explain it it seems that goku wins.

your pokebattle makes no sence whatsoever because of these things:
1: ...mewtwo has over 4 moves...
2: kamehamehas are not hyper beams because he doesnt need 2 recharge when he uses 1
3: a pychic atk does not do 1006 dmg ; itd take lots of calm minds 2 do that
4: i dont belive gokus a fighting type...he may use his fists and legs but that does not means hes a fighting type.

and splashing mew, no offence if it seems if im being a little 2 harsh on you
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No offense taken... It takes a person of high intellect to begin to offend me.... No offense... I'm not calling you stupid.. Um yeah anywayz.....
1) Yes Mewtwo had more than 4 moves (I counted 6) So? Incase you noticed this wasn't an actual battle... Just how I think it would be in a Pokemon style battle.

2) The only move in Pokemon similar to Kamehameha is Hyper beam (maybe super power..... DOH! I shoulda gave him that!) ... DEAL with it.

3) Psychic attack cannot do 1006 damage? I hope you are joking.... Where is your proof? I know where mine is, right here. Damage calculator Psychic is capable of for more than 1006 damage....

4) What type would Goku be then? Grass? What type do you think a person with an attack dubbed "super dragon FIST" would be? Pfft....

Now that I am done teaching little kids Pokemon game mechanics, I can get back to the topic.

Brit, if this was a neutral zone, then Goku couldn't be AS strong as he is. In the Dragonball series, they have power levels of 100,000,000 and so forth. In Pokemon they have levels up to 100 (besides the 255 pidgey's and what not on Cinnibar :laugh: ). Goku is over powered because he's in an anime aimed towards little children (at least the english dub is) and what do children want to see? They want to see fast fist action with almost no (good) storyline involved. Of course there are episodes with nothing but talking and powering up (another of it's cons) but that isn't the point. Pokemon also appears to kids but in a different way... They like to see the cute little rodent, and the naive, incompetent, and down right idiotic at times hero. Anime bashing aside (I'm not really trying to). Switch the two shows and I can imagine Mewtwo would have like a power level of 100,000,000,000,000 while Goku being cute using his little hyper beam and mega punch. This battle has favored Goku all along because we are looking at Goku's ability in the Dragonball universe. Isn't that a little unfair? When I tried to look at it from the pokemon side of things, you were quick to disregard it as an actual scenario. Well anyway since Mewtwo's power's are cut down then so are Goku's in the effort to make it fair. So let's just say that in this new zone Goku is not nearly as powerful as he is in the Dragonball world. Sure, Mewtwo won't actually have moves like psychic or barrier but he does have psychic blasts and barriers. In this world Mewtwo can over come Goku. As it is known, his powers are telepathic. His telepathy can hit Goku no matter how fast he goes.

Telepathy \Te*lep"a*thy\, n. [Gr. ? far off + ?, ?, to suffer.] The sympathetic affection of one mind by the thoughts, feelings, or emotions of another at a distance, without communication through the ordinary channels of sensation
adj : communicating without apparent physical signals.

It doesn't take physical shape so there isn't much Goku can do to stop him if yes if he has connected it. I'm more than sure that Mewtwo can tame Goku through the means of Telekinesis.


tele?ki?ne?ses /-"sEz/
: the apparent production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means
n : the power to move something by thinking about it without the application of physical force.

No physical contact is involved with these moves. Don't say they do take physical form because his attacks do so in the game/anime... Remember this is a neutral world :) Now while his mine might take longer to break, as we have seen so many times (maybe no specifically in dragonball z or Pokemon) but the process of controlling one's body through telekinesis is usually instant. Sure Goku could over come it eventually, but by then Mewtwo would probably cracked his mind. I'm more than confident to say that Mewtwo has the brain power to multitask. Goku is pure brute force. Mewtwo, being one of a higher intellect, appears to be and is in a better position to be the strategist.

That's what I have to say for now. For any future post, please acknowledge that in this battle Goku's overall power is toned down. If you do not take this into account as you post, then I have no further reason to discuss anything with a close-minded fool.

(Note: Definition's are from Dictionary.com)

~Splash
 
Splashing Mew said:

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No offense taken... It takes a person of high intellect to begin to offend me.... No offense... I'm not calling you stupid.. Um yeah anywayz.....
1) Yes Mewtwo had more than 4 moves (I counted 6) So? Incase you noticed this wasn't an actual battle... Just how I think it would be in a Pokemon style battle.

2) The only move in Pokemon similar to Kamehameha is Hyper beam (maybe super power..... DOH! I shoulda gave him that!) ... DEAL with it.

3) Psychic attack cannot do 1006 damage? I hope you are joking.... Where is your proof? I know where mine is, right here. Damage calculator Psychic is capable of for more than 1006 damage....

4) What type would Goku be then? Grass? What type do you think a person with an attack dubbed "super dragon FIST" would be? Pfft....

Now that I am done teaching little kids Pokemon game mechanics, I can get back to the topic.

Brit, if this was a neutral zone, then Goku couldn't be AS strong as he is. In the Dragonball series, they have power levels of 100,000,000 and so forth. In Pokemon they have levels up to 100 (besides the 255 pidgey's and what not on Cinnibar :laugh: ). Goku is over powered because he's in an anime aimed towards little children (at least the english dub is) and what do children want to see? They want to see fast fist action with almost no (good) storyline involved. Of course there are episodes with nothing but talking and powering up (another of it's cons) but that isn't the point. Pokemon also appears to kids but in a different way... They like to see the cute little rodent, and the naive, incompetent, and down right idiotic at times hero. Anime bashing aside (I'm not really trying to). Switch the two shows and I can imagine Mewtwo would have like a power level of 100,000,000,000,000 while Goku being cute using his little hyper beam and mega punch. This battle has favored Goku all along because we are looking at Goku's ability in the Dragonball universe. Isn't that a little unfair? When I tried to look at it from the pokemon side of things, you were quick to disregard it as an actual scenario. Well anyway since Mewtwo's power's are cut down then so are Goku's in the effort to make it fair. So let's just say that in this new zone Goku is not nearly as powerful as he is in the Dragonball world. Sure, Mewtwo won't actually have moves like psychic or barrier but he does have psychic blasts and barriers. In this world Mewtwo can over come Goku. As it is known, his powers are telepathic. His telepathy can hit Goku no matter how fast he goes.

Telepathy \Te*lep"a*thy\, n. [Gr. ? far off + ?, ?, to suffer.] The sympathetic affection of one mind by the thoughts, feelings, or emotions of another at a distance, without communication through the ordinary channels of sensation
adj : communicating without apparent physical signals.

It doesn't take physical shape so there isn't much Goku can do to stop him if yes if he has connected it. I'm more than sure that Mewtwo can tame Goku through the means of Telekinesis.


tele?ki?ne?ses /-"sEz/
: the apparent production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means
n : the power to move something by thinking about it without the application of physical force.

No physical contact is involved with these moves. Don't say they do take physical form because his attacks do so in the game/anime... Remember this is a neutral world :) Now while his mine might take longer to break, as we have seen so many times (maybe no specifically in dragonball z or Pokemon) but the process of controlling one's body through telekinesis is usually instant. Sure Goku could over come it eventually, but by then Mewtwo would probably cracked his mind. I'm more than confident to say that Mewtwo has the brain power to multitask. Goku is pure brute force. Mewtwo, being one of a higher intellect, appears to be and is in a better position to be the strategist.

That's what I have to say for now. For any future post, please acknowledge that in this battle Goku's overall power is toned down. If you do not take this into account as you post, then I have no further reason to discuss anything with a close-minded fool.

(Note: Definition's are from Dictionary.com)

~Splash
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We already said not to compare the character's levels. Anyways, about the tele-stuff, I said that energy blasts use that power. I didn't say that when Mewtwo is trying to control Goku's mind, that he uses any physical force. I didn't say that when Mewtwo is trying to move something with his mind, that he used any physical force.

I was talking about energy blasts. They utilize whatever force it is, and put it into a physical-energy form(or it atleast attacks physically).

There is other anime that supports this being true, but there is no anime that supports disable being instantaneous. Maybe that is because that attribute is Pokemon exclusive? And I didn't say to take away disable, I said to make it more realistic, or in this case.. more anime-like.

And we never talked about telekenisis, but anyways... you don't think that Goku's strength could break our of it? When you see telekenisis, it is usually something small, and stationary. In that case it could be easy to do, and probably instantaneous, but Goku isn't small and stationary, now is he?

You think that Mewtwo could concentrate on cracking his mind? If he was trying to get a lock on Goku's mind to destroy it, do you actually think he could keep the lock for longer than two seconds?

And why would Goku's power be toned down? His only powers are some insane strength, insane speed, and different types for energy blasts. Okay, just for good sportsmanship, let's say he was less insanely powered. Why would Mewtwo win the fight?
 
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Mewtwo used Telekenesis on teh gyarados trainer. He's not small, nor stationary, and it was instant. SAo logic would dictate he's capable of doing it to goku too. Even Sabrina has used Telekenesis on people before, if you recall when she threw Ash and friends out of her gym. And she is nothing comapred to mewtwo. I don't know where you got the idea it only works on small stationary things, but it doesn't. :\ And there are other animes where disable is instant, albeit it's performed differently. For example, in yu yu hakusho that one psychic all he had to do is step on someone's shadow and they're disabled. and that other one, he had a power where if they say "hot" they lose their soul, therefore being disabled. And that was instant. Ik had told you they've had psychic abilities work instantly in other anime's before, and the proof was in teh putting. But you didn't listen to me, which reall isn't a surprise.

and SM told you why Mewtwo would win the fight. Because he can use telekenesis to throw Goku around like a rag doll and if Goku somehow manages to break out of that, he can still use Telepathy to torment goku mentally. mewtwo's mind is superior to goku's so Goku really won't be able to fight it. And mewtwo doesn't have to concentrate, He never had to concentrate to do anything he's ever done. His mind is so powerful, everything he's done he's done at his leizure, meaning he wasn't exerting himself in anyway to perform those moves. Again, proof is in his body language.

and psychic is a telekenetic attack, meaning it doesn't have to take a phsycial form. Only Psybeam and Psywave do, as they have a phsysical definition , the wave and teh beam. If you recall, whenever a pokemon uses Psychic, all that happens is teh POkemon's eyes start to glow and the opponent becomes ensnared in teh attack. There is no physical thing about that.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
Mewtwo used Telekenesis on teh gyarados trainer. He's not small, nor stationary, and it was instant. SAo logic would dictate he's capable of doing it to goku too. Even Sabrina has used Telekenesis on people before, if you recall when she threw Ash and friends out of her gym. And she is nothing comapred to mewtwo. I don't know where you got the idea it only works on small stationary things, but it doesn't. :\ And there are other animes where disable is instant, albeit it's performed differently. For example, in yu yu hakusho that one psychic all he had to do is step on someone's shadow and they're disabled. and that other one, he had a power where if they say "hot" they lose their soul, therefore being disabled. And that was instant. Ik had told you they've had psychic abilities work instantly in other anime's before, and the proof was in teh putting. But you didn't listen to me, which reall isn't a surprise.

and SM told you why Mewtwo would win the fight. Because he can use telekenesis to throw Goku around like a rag doll and if Goku somehow manages to break out of that, he can still use Telepathy to torment goku mentally. mewtwo's mind is superior to goku's so Goku really won't be able to fight it. And mewtwo doesn't have to concentrate, He never had to concentrate to do anything he's ever done. His mind is so powerful, everything he's done he's done at his leizure, meaning he wasn't exerting himself in anyway to perform those moves. Again, proof is in his body language.

and psychic is a telekenetic attack, meaning it doesn't have to take a phsycial form. Only Psybeam and Psywave do, as they have a phsysical definition , the wave and teh beam. If you recall, whenever a pokemon uses Psychic, all that happens is teh POkemon's eyes start to glow and the opponent becomes ensnared in teh attack. There is no physical thing about that.
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HAH, you compare a Gyarados's power to anything near Goku's power? I give up then, that was like the worst statement I have heard from this entire conversation.

I never said that it only works on stationary objects, it's just that they are far easier to use. Goku is like the opposite of stationary, like... unstationary, XD

I never said that All psychic attacks attack physically, I just said that the energy blast kinds were. Don't put words in my mouth. And about the eyes glowing and stuff. It still takes away from HP not PP, dur.

Tele- deals with the mind

Kinetic- moving

Psychic is not a telekenetic ability

And about the disable things in other animes. Those were show-exclusive. Theirs didn't work like DBZ's, Pokemon's, or almost any other anime. We aren't supposed to have any of this show-exclusive, this is a neutral universe.
 
yes it is, because in teh anime, Psychic is a power of teh "mind' that "moves" teh opponent, usually resulting in them being lifted into teh air.

And who teh hecksaid anything about hp or pp?!

and i wasn't comparing teh gyarados , I was comapring the gyarados trainer. And it doesn't matter the body's power if teh mind is weak. Goku could be a ssj100000 and if his mind was as developed then as now, he'd still be no match for mewtwo's abilities.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
yes it is, because in teh anime, Psychic is a power of teh "mind' that "moves" teh opponent, usually resulting in them being lifted into teh air.

And who teh hecksaid anything about hp or pp?!

and i wasn't comparing teh gyarados , I was comapring the gyarados trainer. And it doesn't matter the body's power if teh mind is weak. Goku could be a ssj100000 and if his mind was as developed then as now, he'd still be no match for mewtwo's abilities.
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Thats not the Psychic attack, thats telekenisis, a normal psychic ability. Thats like saying 'walking' is an ability.

Mind control takes concentration, even if it's almost instantaneous, it still requires concentration... which Mewtwo can't have, because of Goku's speed.
 
Remind me who Guldo is, because Frankly Mewtwo could top him. Mewtwo never urns out of energy because energy refers mostly to stamina, which requires physical exertion to deplete. However, since mewtwo's abilities are of the mind and not of th ebody, his stamina aka energy is not depleted, therefore he si not limited tot he number of times he can perform his techniques.

And the only attacks Goku ever out ran had a physical presence, which a majority of Mewtwo's moves do not.
 
Doean't matter how they would get into a fight. And when it comes to psychic powers, it's not the physical strength that matters but themental strength. Mewtwo clearly rules when it comes to mental strength, so it's safe to say Mewtwo can hold Goku with his powers.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
that is psychic, because that is what happens whenever psychic attackis declare,d thank you very much. And we've already told you Goku's speed cannot out run Mewtwo's abilities.
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Psychic is not a telekinetic ability. It is damage dealing attack, not a bend a spoon attack.
Pogiforce-14 said:
Remind me who Guldo is, because Frankly Mewtwo could top him. Mewtwo never urns out of energy because energy refers mostly to stamina, which requires physical exertion to deplete. However, since mewtwo's abilities are of the mind and not of th ebody, his stamina aka energy is not depleted, therefore he si not limited tot he number of times he can perform his techniques.

And the only attacks Goku ever out ran had a physical presence, which a majority of Mewtwo's moves do not.
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Minds can run out of energy. Therefore he is limited to the amount of times he can use a technique. Why does it have a limit of ANY abilty, in your own Pokemon game? Now I am burning off the grounds of your statement in YOUR OWN character's world. How much more in a neutral universe? I am getting really sick of you making obviously wrong statements to try to prove your point.
 
Again, byt he anime, not hte game. Teh game mewtwo is weak. however, iknt eh anime, teh characters DO NOT have a limit on teh number of times they may perform a move. The only times they weren't able to perform a move was when they jsut didn't have enough stamina left and where too tired to do it. like I siad Because mental power uses no stamina sense stamina is the energy of the body, he is unlimited in teh number of times he can use his techniques.

ANd for the last time, since Psychic does not take a physical form, is of the mind and moves teh opponent, it is a telekinetic attack. Jsut because it does damge doesn't make it otherwise. Psychic abilities do damage throug the mind, because since they mess with the mind, they may hit every nerve sensor in the brain, causing complete and total pain to the opponent, which is why Psychic is so devastating.

Now look who's burning who. :P
 
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