Mewtwo vs. Goku

Who would win: Goku or Mewtwo?

  • Mewtwo would kick butt.

    Votes: 33 62.3%
  • Goku owns this fight.

    Votes: 17 32.1%
  • Neither would win, they're both indestructable.

    Votes: 3 5.7%

  • Total voters
    53
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Pogiforce-14 said:
Again, byt he anime, not hte game. Teh game mewtwo is weak. however, iknt eh anime, teh characters DO NOT have a limit on teh number of times they may perform a move. The only times they weren't able to perform a move was when they jsut didn't have enough stamina left and where too tired to do it. like I siad Because mental power uses no stamina sense stamina is the energy of the body, he is unlimited in teh number of times he can use his techniques.

ANd for the last time, since Psychic does not take a physical form, is of the mind and moves teh opponent, it is a telekinetic attack. Jsut because it does damge doesn't make it otherwise. Psychic abilities do damage throug the mind, because since they mess with the mind, they may hit every nerve sensor in the brain, causing complete and total pain to the opponent, which is why Psychic is so devastating.

Now look who's burning who. :P
And why would you say that there are no limits to the amount of times they can perform a move? Mind has limits too, and that is the last time I will say it. I don't have the time to argue with a thick-headed child. Saying that the mind doesn't have limits is an impossible statement to prove, and everyone knows it, you just can't come to accept the fact that this is only an idea that you have devised to yourself, and you believe it to be true, even though, under any scenario, we haven't seen it to hold.

Mind and Brain aren't the same thing, and the 'shaking the body' thing is only an animation to for Pokemon to use, to show that there is an attack in effect. We haven't seen this to stay true in the anime.

You, think you are burning me? Every statement that comes from you is either false, or can't be proven. You just assume that he is Godly, although you have no real evidence to back it.

kthxbai
 
Now look who's assuming things now. Okay, first of all, I'm a year older than you so if anyone should be calling anyone a child, it's me. Second, Mind does have limitations, but it has no energy requirement other than the basic electrical feed in the body located inteh spinal column, which cannot increase or decrease.Therefore Mewtwo is unlimited in the number of times he can use his abilities, as his brain has no energy requirements beyond what's boilogical and therefore neither do his abilities. third, Mind is a concsious portion locatred within teh brain, and therefore is connected to teh brain. so an attack that directly attacks the mind in turn attacks the brain as well. Fourth, any show that invovles psychics shows them controlling the opponent in certain fashions, and have often shown an aura to reveal it. I'm not going to bother with the yu yu hakusho example for the third time because frankly if you disregarded it the first two times, then you just aren't listening. And finally, all my evidence has been based on proven biological truths while your evidence has been purely opinion based and has no truth behind it, so who's the pot calling the kettle black here? :\
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
Now look who's assusing things now. Okay, first of all, I'm a year older than you so if anyone should be calling anyone a child, it's me. Second, Mind does have limitations, but it has no energy requirement other than the basic electrical feed in the body located inteh spinal column, which cannot increase or decrease.Therefore Mewtwo is unlimited in the number of times he can use his abilities, as his brain has no energy requirements beyond what's boilogical and therefore neither do his abilities. third, Mind is a concsious portion locatred within teh brain, and therefore is connected to teh brain. so an attack that directly attacks the mind in turn attacks the brain as well. Fourth, any show that invovles psychics shows them controlling the opponent in certain fashions, and have often shown an aura to reveal it. I'm not going to bother with the yu yu hakusho example for the third time because frankly if you disregarded it the first two times, then you just aren't listening. And finally, all my evidence has been based on proven biological truths while your evidence has been purely opinion based and has no truth behind it, so who's the pot calling the kettle black here? :\
A year older that I? Do you think that matters?

What the heck are you thinking? 'The mind has limitations' 'There is no limit to the amount of times he can use his abilities' Psychic power is powered by the mind. You just contradicted yourself in that statement.


Does your yu yu hakusho example matter? That still doesn't prove Psychic to be telekinetic. Perhaps you need to get your definition of telekinitc changed.

Your evidence based on biological truths? Pfft, not one thing you have said is based on any truth. All of my statements are about Goku having extreme speed, and power, OR about psychic power having limits, and both are true, exept it seems your mind can't process the simple truths. Perhaps you are getting a little too 'slow' for the debate? And instead of bringing in facts you decide to use an idea off the top of your head that you believe to be true, but has no basis to prove itself?
 
You are one sad, sad, ignorant little girl. :\ The mind has limitiations, meaning it can only perform certain things. LIek for example, In class I can do Precalculus, but currently I can do no better. However, That precalculus I can do again and again and again. Teh mind has limitations as to what I can do, but what I can do I can do infininitely until I get bored of it.

and your ignorance shows again in assuming that my yu yu hauksho example was a bout psychic attack, when it was bout your comment that attacks performed as such are only to pokemon. which they aren't,as proof by said example.

And it seems to me teh slow one is the one who doesnt' seem to understand teh basic operating priniples of the body's nervous system. The spinal column provides electrical power to the brain, which in turn provides power to the concious mind, as it is located within a lobe in the brain's logical thinking side. Because the brain requires nothing to maintain itself other than this energy and basic bodily nutrients, and does not take energy form the body itself and instead recycles the electrical charge within teh spinal column, the mind can infinitely do whatever it is capable of processing. Because Mewtwo's mind can process a wide number of diffferent capabilities, each capability is infinite in use. In terms of reaction time between goku and Mewtwo, Goku's moves start as a nerve impulse that go straight to teh organ or limb he wishes to manipulate to his will. it taks a split second, but in this same instant, Metwo may send teh same signal ,but because the mind is teh tool which he uses in this fight, his reaction time is noticably faster than that of Goku, able to keep him one step aheadof teh poor sayain. And in terms as to why an attack like psychic on teh mind can hurt him physically, because the conciosu mind is connected to teh brain to send signals to tell the body what to do, psychic can contorl those impulses to do a number of things. If Mewtwo wishes to use teh processing center of those impulses to create a pain sensation all over the body, he can do it.

Iv'e done an in depth research paper on the Nervous system for my school's Honors Biology class, and the paper got an A+. So if you thjink you can counteract my statements about the connection between teh speed of mewtwo and his attacks by refuting my discussion about the nervous system, I'd love to see you try. :P
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
You are one sad, sad, ignorant little girl. :\ The mind has limitiations, meaning it can only perform certain things. LIek for example, In class I can do Precalculus, but currently I can do no better. However, That precalculus I can do again and again and again. Teh mind has limitations as to what I can do, but what I can do I can do infininitely until I get bored of it.

and your ignorance shows again in assuming that my yu yu hauksho example was a bout psychic attack, when it was bout your comment that attacks performed as such are only to pokemon. which they aren't,as proof by said example.

And it seems to me teh slow one is the one who doesnt' seem to understand teh basic operating priniples of the body's nervous system. The spinal column provides electrical power to the brain, which in turn provides power to the concious mind, as it is located within a lobe in the brain's logical thinking side. Because the brain requires nothing to maintain itself other than this energy and basic bodily nutrients, and does not take energy form the body itself and instead recycles the electrical charge within teh spinal column, the mind can infinitely do whatever it is capable of processing. Because Mewtwo's mind can process a wide number of diffferent capabilities, each capability is infinite in use. In terms of reaction time between goku and Mewtwo, Goku's moves start as a nerve impulse that go straight to teh organ or limb he wishes to manipulate to his will. it taks a split second, but in this same instant, Metwo may send teh same signal ,but because the mind is teh tool which he uses in this fight, his reaction time is noticably faster than that of Goku, able to keep him one step aheadof teh poor sayain. And in terms as to why an attack like psychic on teh mind can hurt him physically, because the conciosu mind is connected to teh brain to send signals to tell the body what to do, psychic can contorl those impulses to do a number of things. If Mewtwo wishes to use teh processing center of those impulses to create a pain sensation all over the body, he can do it.

Iv'e done an in depth research paper on the Nervous system for my school's Honors Biology class, and the paper got an A+. So if you thjink you can counteract my statements about the connection between teh speed of mewtwo and his attacks by refuting my discussion about the nervous system, I'd love to see you try. :P
Good lord people...it's just an anime. Even me the Uber anime fan knows that most of the time there is no logic to this stuff.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
You are one sad, sad, ignorant little girl. :\ The mind has limitiations, meaning it can only perform certain things. LIek for example, In class I can do Precalculus, but currently I can do no better. However, That precalculus I can do again and again and again. Teh mind has limitations as to what I can do, but what I can do I can do infininitely until I get bored of it.
You exert effort when you perform an attack though. And does that not mean that you mustnt think while you perform your Precalculus? Baby steps.

When you first started math... 1+1=2 was a concept you had to learn, and for some children it's hard...

Soon it came to 3x3... you had to learn that, and sometimes it would be hard

It comes to [(5x5)2^3]3... you had to learn that , and sometimes it would be hard

You come across harder things like: mg = F = mV2/RE
or
V2/RE = g
And sometimes those things would be hard... and so on...

Anyways, now you are at your current level, and things like 1+1 aren't hard at all. Are they?

The same applies with Mewtwo. Do you think Psychic is an easy attack to perform? Psychic would be like the AP Calculus of his abilities.

At his current level, he can perform Psychic, but do you think it is easy?
Things that he could keep doing are like Confusion, or Psybeam. Easy things, just like 1+1.

you said:
and your ignorance shows again in assuming that my yu yu hauksho example was a bout psychic attack, when it was bout your comment that attacks performed as such are only to pokemon. which they aren't,as proof by said example.
For the last time, Psychic is not telekinetic. Meaning that your comparisons aren't even comparing like attributes. Did I ever say that Psychic is show-exclusive? Don't put words in my mouth.

you said:
And it seems to me teh slow one is the one who doesnt' seem to understand teh basic operating priniples of the body's nervous system. The spinal column provides electrical power to the brain, which in turn provides power to the concious mind, as it is located within a lobe in the brain's logical thinking side. Because the brain requires nothing to maintain itself other than this energy and basic bodily nutrients, and does not take energy form the body itself and instead recycles the electrical charge within teh spinal column, the mind can infinitely do whatever it is capable of processing. Because Mewtwo's mind can process a wide number of diffferent capabilities, each capability is infinite in use. In terms of reaction time between goku and Mewtwo, Goku's moves start as a nerve impulse that go straight to teh organ or limb he wishes to manipulate to his will. it taks a split second, but in this same instant, Metwo may send teh same signal ,but because the mind is teh tool which he uses in this fight, his reaction time is noticably faster than that of Goku, able to keep him one step aheadof teh poor sayain. And in terms as to why an attack like psychic on teh mind can hurt him physically, because the conciosu mind is connected to teh brain to send signals to tell the body what to do, psychic can contorl those impulses to do a number of things. If Mewtwo wishes to use teh processing center of those impulses to create a pain sensation all over the body, he can do it.
And does this hold true in real life? Can somebody simply manipulate these forces instantaneously? Thats the point I was trying to make. Not that having godly control over Goku's body wouldn't give Mewtwo an advantage, but does Mewtwo have such godly control? You don't have anything to support it. And about the mind being able to do anything, like you say...

Why do some things take weeks to answer a simple problem? Even if it uses the same exact principles and logic, that you already know. Why don't you know it instantaneously? Because it is too hard for a mind to handle? Yes. Why can't Psychic be used over and over again, with no strain on the mind. Because it is too hard for the mind to handle? Yes.

Of course, there are easy simple things, like 1+1, that you know instantaneously, but 1+1 is like the equivilant to confusion. Not Psychic.

The mind most definetly has limits. If you have ever given up on a math problem, then you have reached your limit. So ner.


you said:
Iv'e done an in depth research paper on the Nervous system for my school's Honors Biology class, and the paper got an A+. So if you thjink you can counteract my statements about the connection between teh speed of mewtwo and his attacks by refuting my discussion about the nervous system, I'd love to see you try. :P
Good for you.
 
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Yes, mewtwo does have godly control, because he does it all effortlessly. Mewtwo has already practiced his abilities so they are at their max efficiency, if tyou recall from teh first movie. You did say it was Pokemon exclusive, many times now. and yes, good for me. :P I'm getting bored of this conversation, and thanks to stupid servfer problems I'mnot in a good mood, so I'll step a way from this for a while to try to find a way to cheer myself up.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
Yes, mewtwo does have godly control, because he does it all effortlessly. Mewtwo has already practiced his abilities so they are at their max efficiency, if tyou recall from teh first movie. You did say it was Pokemon exclusive, many times now. and yes, good for me. :P I'm getting bored of this conversation, and thanks to stupid servfer problems I'mnot in a good mood, so I'll step a way from this for a while to try to find a way to cheer myself up.
I have not said, one time, that Psychic was a Pokemon exclusive ability. I said that ONLY for disable/bodycontrol.

Practiced abilities all the way to max efficiency? Wow, niether shows, nor tells that in the first movie.

And yes this conversation is getting boring.
 
Sparks_67 said:
You know you 2 sound like a old married couple lol. :laugh: :laugh: :P

XD O.O what makes you think that? XD and if they WERE a old married couple, they would be too tired to argue XD
 
Yeah. They should be paired up.XD


And like I said before, goku would win. *Runs before anyone tries to drag him in again*XD
 
OMG
it's a stupid VS thread
who cares
let's just put it at that they're equal
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
Actually according to the votes, it looks like Mewtwo won, as he's ahead by a solid 12 votes.
Wow, thats no surpise, this is a Pokemon forum, not a DBZ forum. XD

Blasty is right though. You shouldn't have started the debate. I said that I thought Goku could win because of insane strength and speed, but no!!! I can't have my own opinion anymore, because Pogiforce comes along thinking that his opinion is better than others. When a Goku fan comes along he just HAS to argue, because he wants to be right!
 
Ah I was the smart one to just leave this topic :P although I had to return. Brit is right though......... Pogi did start.... And Pogi is right that mewtwo said he had harnessed his abilities. Let's all forget about this and start a new vs thread!

~Splash
 
LittleFascistPanties16 said:
Wow, thats no surpise, this is a Pokemon forum, not a DBZ forum. XD

Blasty is right though. You shouldn't have started the debate. I said that I thought Goku could win because of insane strength and speed, but no!!! I can't have my own opinion anymore, because Pogiforce comes along thinking that his opinion is better than others. When a Goku fan comes along he just HAS to argue, because he wants to be right!


OH, and as if you weren't the same way. :P

And now the count is 13 solid. But anyway, if you guys want to stop now, that's okay. It was getting tiring anyway.
 
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