Mono-flying, because I'm not fat

[Groudon80]

Gyarados (M) @ Lum Berry ** Slayer
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 172 Spd / 50 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt

one of my favs.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Bloodwing
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 82 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

This is skarm

Crobat (M) @ Choice Band ** Pinky
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb

CBer

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quetzalcoatl
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

S. sweeper

Mantine (M) @ Leftovers ** Manta
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 196 HP / 16 Spd / 86 SAtk / 212 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf

Special tank, opposite of skarm

Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers ** Charlie
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 248 HP / 90 Atk / 24 Spd / 148 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

boltbeamer. Help with this

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Please, don't be stupid, and say that there are many weaknesses to ice/electric, but just rate the MSes, as this is MONO FLYING.

 

[Dark Penguin]

Gyarados (M) @ Lum Berry ** Slayer
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 172 Spd / 50 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt
This seems pretty good to me. You could go the substitute route if you want to, and you could put ice beam on there to replace HP, but if you don't want to it seems good to me.
one of my favs.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Bloodwing
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 82 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
First of all, get rid of lefty's for chesto berry. then, i would take off HP for drillpeck, but i guess there is so little difference that either one will do. Seems like a pretty standard staller.
This is skarm

Crobat (M) @ Choice Band ** Pinky
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb
This is pretty good. I would consider replacing sludge bomb with poison fang, but if not its not a biggie. You could also put on steel wing for HP, but i would keep HP.
CBer

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quetzalcoatl
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
Again, not too bad. I could use STAB and swap on drill peck, but if not its fine. You could also swap on rest and a chesto berry when you get weal from subs, which actually isn't all that bad of an idea. If not, its fine, though.
S. sweeper

Mantine (M) @ Leftovers ** Manta
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 196 HP / 16 Spd / 86 SAtk / 212 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf
I don't see the usefullness of him, as he is kind of a cross between a sweeper and a......well, i'm not sure. If this moveset isn't workin, and you want a tank, use:
Mantine - Lefty's?
-Rain Dance
-Toxic
-Haze/Confuse Ray
-Surf
I know it can be hard to find hazers, but CRay is on there for another option. this moveset would abuse STAB and rain dance to make surf very pwrful, and rest to abuse his good def and sp.def.
Special tank, opposite of skarm

Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers ** Charlie
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 248 HP / 90 Atk / 24 Spd / 148 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
This looks actually really good to me, but since you don't like it here's another option:
Dragonite-Lefty's?
-Surf
-Flamethrower
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace
Not the best, but pretty strong, and abuses Dragonites stats.
boltbeamer. Help with this

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Please, don't be stupid, and say that there are many weaknesses to ice/electric, but just rate the MSes, as this is MONO FLYING.

Well, hope my second ever team rating helped, and hope you take my suggestions. Overall, even though some of them were a bit OU, a very well-balanced and well-prepared team.

 

[husk1442]

I type too much

Gyarados (M) @ Lum Berry ** Slayer

Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 172 Spd / 50 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Taunt

Lefties please, other than that, its standard

HP: Rock if you want to beat skarmory


one of my favs.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers ** Bloodwing
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 196 HP / 82 Atk / 212 Def / 20 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rest
- Spikes
- Whirlwind

=/ scared of the sound proof monster, oh well

what is the speed for?

This is skarm

Crobat (M) @ Choice Band ** Pinky
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb

for the CB'er I like adamant and 351 speed, max attack and the rest going into HP

CBer

Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Quetzalcoatl
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

less SAtk and more HP. You may want it to be able to take a hit. That way you can take out a DD-Tar. (2HKO)



Mantine (M) @ Leftovers ** Manta
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 196 HP / 16 Spd / 86 SAtk / 212 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Haze
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf

=/

Special tank, opposite of skarm

Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers ** Charlie
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 248 HP / 90 Atk / 24 Spd / 148 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

you want 200 Evs in SATK, and attack stat of 320, you need 241 speed and the rest in HP


boltbeamer. Help with this

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Please, don't be stupid, and say that there are many weaknesses to ice/electric, but just rate the MSes, as this is MONO FLYING.

The electric weakness on this team out weighs the ice weakness so I think you could drop mantine for a gligar, who will help your team out alot by being immume to thunder bolt.

Possibley Choice banded salamence over dragonite since bolt/beam isn't helping your team out much. this team lacks offense which could be aided by Aerodactly which is probably the only thing that could beat jolteon one on one on this team.

Another thing is ninjask could pass speed to some of your slower flyers, not really recommended but its there.

also I recommend this for zapdos since, your team needs durability to ice/electric.

~Rest
~sleep talk
~Thunder Bolt/ Thunder
~Hidden Power: Grass

you need max HP, 274 speed, and then the rest split between defense and SpATK.

+SpAtk nature if you can manage it.

I see a lot of problems with skarm bliss in this team and that zapdos can beat blissey one on one due its pressure ability. Obviously zapdos can beat skarmory.

 

[Kijin]

I agree w/ the Mantine and Dragonite changes.
I prefer Toxic on my Skarmory, especially if you're putting Lefties on it (meh to the Chesto Berry idea... if you're going to ToxiShuffle, you may as well go all out). Also, Drill Peck... Or Steel Wing, if you really aren't up to breeding.

 

[Groudon80]

Cmatzo, don't give advice plz.

On gyara, lum is because I hate being paralyzed/burned. JUST HATE IT.

Skarm has no business toxishuffling, and toxishuffling fails, btw. I like WW/HP flying, as I never even use HP flying. I just spike/WW.

All other ideas considered/taken. Thanks.

 

[Dark Penguin]

Cmatzo, don't give advice plz.

First of all, you were the one posting here for help, so i gave advice. Its not like i gave crappy movesets just for the heck of it. I actually tried to help. If you post here, then, just in case you didn't notice, you are asking people to give opinions on the movesets of your pokemon. thats what i did. And you are the one who goes around repeating the same thing three times, until people get tired of seeing your posts and tell you to shut up. So fyi, next time, if you don't want to hear other people's opinions because you can't make a suitable party yourself, THEN DON'T ASK!!!

 

[DragonKing]

cmatz0, he was expecting ppl's advice to be just standards, which is sorta pointless since anyone can make a team of standards. I agree though, that your suggestions weren't too useful :P

Groudon, if you like Spikes + Whirlwind rather than HP Flying, why the hell are you using it? Just replace HP Flying with Taunt. It makes the EV spreads a lot easier, and it counters BP teams. If you use Whirlwind > Roar, you obviously are afraid of them, and Taunt counters them nicely. Btw, I agree with Husk's suggestions.

 

[Dark Penguin]

i'm not going to start a flame war, but if you ask for suggestions, then you are gonna get them, even if you don't find them that useful. After all, the movesets he put on some of the pokemon aren't some of the ones i would've chosen, but thats his CHOICE!!! No one ever said he had to take my advice, i simply put it out there in case he wanted some other options. No one said he had to take it, since everyone is looking for something different. And plus, your suggestions weren't that great, as all you did was state the obvious and agree with someone else. When i posted my team i had a few suggestions that i didn't find all that usefull, but i just thanked them and built off of them.

 

[Groudon80]

lol?

Just because there is a thread, that doesn't mean you have to post in it...

You suggested ICE BEAM ON GYARADOS. You could of at least taken the time to check that gyarados has a friggin low Satk stat. Your advice wasn't helpful, but was annoying.

 

[Dark Penguin]

His sp. att. may be lower than his attack, but not "freggin low" (218 isn't bad). and i said IF YOU WANTED you could use Ice Beam, mainly for anti-grass and for the very OU Dragonite. And i also belived that you used the word SUGGEST? Ever heard of it? Do you know what it means? You were the one who wanted different movesets, and i gave you that OPTION (another word you need to learn).

 

[husk1442]

=/ Dragonite is OU its BL

maybe Ice beam for salamence whose defense is bad enough that you would probably beat on him with HP: flying anyway.

Next off, 218 is friggin low especially when compared to 349 for an attack (jolly not adamant)

 

[Dark Penguin]

yeah, but i was simply leavin it as an option. Just throwing it out there, esp. with the number of OU's that are weak against ice. yeah, your proabaly right about Salamance though. And 218 isn't great, but you can still work with it and make it somewhat useful (its not like putting thunder on Deoxys FR or Sandslash).

 

[husk1442]

The point is salamence is one of the few OU's that can be devastated by ice and coming from that special attack he's still not getting beat

Celebi beats ice beam from stuff with a more respectable SpAtk, so I really have no clue why you even left it as an option

 

[Dark Penguin]

well, ok, so ice beam wasn't the best suggestion (i'll admit i was wrong) but i just saw it and realized it would help against OU, not realizing what it would do with sp. att. It wouldn't be bad if it beneifted from STAB (another reason gyrados shouldn't be part flying), but yeah i guess it wasn't the best. still, none of my other comments were stupid, just not what he wanted to hear.

 

[Groudon80]

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First of all, get rid of lefty's for chesto berry. then, i would take off HP for drillpeck, but i guess there is so little difference that either one will do. Seems like a pretty standard staller.

NO. Lefties>>>chesto berry, and it cant learn both drill peck and WW.

This is pretty good. I would consider replacing sludge bomb with poison fang, but if not its not a biggie. You could also put on steel wing for HP, but i would keep HP.

Poison fang stabbed=75 power, sludge bomb stabbed=135 base power

I don't see the usefullness of him, as he is kind of a cross between a sweeper and a......well, i'm not sure. If this moveset isn't workin, and you want a tank, use:
Mantine - Lefty's?
-Rain Dance
-Toxic
-Haze/Confuse Ray
-Surf
I know it can be hard to find hazers, but CRay is on there for another option. this moveset would abuse STAB and rain dance to make surf very pwrful, and rest to abuse his good def and sp.def.

Toxic sucks. You don't know what you are talking about. Please get out of my thread.

This looks actually really good to me, but since you don't like it here's another option:
Dragonite-Lefty's?
-Surf
-Flamethrower
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace
Not the best, but pretty strong, and abuses Dragonites stats.

Congrats, you threw 4 random moves on a pokemon, and called it a moveset.

Leave my thread. You've been pwned.

 

[Dark Penguin]

congratulations, you threw your opinions into a random rant session. Chesto berry automatically wakes skarm up from his first rest session, which you use when you're low on health, so its basically a free recovery, while lefty's only revive 1o hp per turn. i would rather have one full heal then a bunch of little 10 hp heals. poison fang i like just because it looks cool XD. Toxic does not suck, cause if you have a pokemon that has a good def and can stay in the battle long enough, it grows stronger with every turn, and does a ton of damage. When my friend used to go on netbattle he had like 3 pokemon with toxic (including a skarm with a chesto berry, toxic, rest, spikes, and drill peck) and kicked ***. And its a hell of a lot better than ice beam, which does not benefit from STAB, and would only be put on for anti-grass/dragon, i which you're screwed anyway (leaf blade + SE + STAB = dead mantine). so you mayaswell put toxic on for other stallers, to guarantee that you finish them off (rest is to aide with that). Finally, you critized my Dragonite moveset by saying it was four random moves, without considering hwo these could work in a situation (u just attacked without having a reason, showing that you have no idea how that moveset could be used). So no, i may have put two dumb moves on there (ice beam and poison fang), but other than that you are just trying to defend your poorly supported rant and should just shut up before your thread gets closed because of a flame war. I will now stop arguing because i don't want to get in trouble and don't care to waste my time with a ranting fool like yourself.

 

[Sin]

blah pointing out some mistakes made, anyway , dclaw on dragonite

congratulations, you threw your opinions into a random rant session. Chesto berry automatically wakes skarm up from his first rest session, which you use when you're low on health, so its basically a free recovery, while lefty's only revive 1o1/16 actuallyhp per turn. i would rather have one full heal then a bunch of little 10 hp heals. poison fang i like just because it looks cool XDthere are no graphics on nb. Toxic does not suck, cause if you have a pokemon that has a good def how bout sp.def and can stay in the battle long enough, it grows stronger with every turn, and does a ton of damageppl do switch u know. When my friend used to go on netbattle he had like 3 pokemon with toxic (including a skarm with a chesto berry, toxic, rest, spikes, and drill peck) and kicked ***u sure he kicked ***?. And its a hell of a lot better than ice beam, which does not benefit from STAB, and would only be put on for anti-grass/dragon, i which you're screwed anyway (leaf blade + SE + STAB = dead mantineleaf blade is not SE on mantine, it flies). so you mayaswell put toxic on for other stallers, to guarantee that you finish them off (rest is to aide with that). Finally, you critized my Dragonite moveset by saying it was four random moves, without considering hwo these could work in a situation (u just attacked without having a reason, showing that you have no idea how that moveset could be used). So no, i may have put two dumb moves on there (ice beam and poison fang), but other than that you are just trying to defend your poorly supported rant and should just shut up before your thread gets closed because of a flame war. I will now stop arguing because i don't want to get in trouble and don't care to waste my time with a ranting fool like yourself.