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3rd Gen Most Frustrating Gym Leader?

SkyAttack

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    I'm curious to know which Gym Leader you found the most frustrating/difficult in Pokemon Emerald.

    I had never let all(or even most) of my Pokemon team faint in battle until I fought Winona, the flying master of Fortree City. Most of her team wasn't too difficult, but her Altaria kept taking out my team using Earthquake. The Pokemon that I have who aren't vulnerable to Earthquake were vulnerable to Aerial Ace. It was so frustrating, and it took three attempts before I finally won using the right Pkmn in the right matchups. Poseidon, my Marshtomp claimed the victory against Altaria. :)

    Who have you had problems battling with? Obviously people like the Elite Four and such are difficult, but I'm curious about all of the other in-game trainers/gym leaders. Anyone else had issues with Winona?
     
    I've never had any type of trouble with the gym leaders maybe except for Tate and Liza but my team was pretty balanced at that time

    :t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~
     
    I never really had troble with any of them, but Tate and Liza were only hard on my weezing. But thats all they did.
     
    Tate and Liza were good against my team. I had an obvious psychic weakness, XD
     
    Tate and Liza? Now I'm curious to see what these people are all about. :D

    I think my main problem with Winona was the fact that I was using:

    *Tropius
    *Swellow
    ^^Both weak against Aerial Ace

    *Trapinch
    *Magnemite
    *Aron
    *Marshtomp
    ^^All weak against Earthquake

    All were between level 26-35. I've changed out Tropius to try out Kecleon for awhile. I love my team, but they all had a major weakness to one of her two best moves. Oh well, it adds a challenge I suppose. :)
     
    My trouble was Bradly in Dewford. I didnt catch any flying or physcic (sp?) types. So I had to go back to Petalburg (cant remember name of routes) to catch a Ralts. And Now Im glad I did, Gardivoir is one of my favorite pokemon. <3

    But, other than that I have to agree, Tate And Liza were very hard to beat. Rock = Good defence, Psycic (still sp) = Good Attack (or SpAttack if you want to be picky)
     
    tate and liza? delcatty destroyed those suckers XD

    and umm swellow is NOT weak against aerial ace ._. ... and umm tropius is not a good pokemon. it's barely decent... you should really consider replacing it. i say switch it for a fighting type. breloom is good.
     
    And Neither of marshtomp and trapinch weak to earthquake =/

    Tate and Liza is hard because it is double and I mostly just use starter
     
    Yeah, tate and liza we're pretty anoying, I managed to beat them with my gardevoir and sceptile though. oh yeah and, what's her name again? Flannery? yeah, my sceptile fainted (duh) but I managed to take her down with my Armaldo.
     
    Though the in-game AI is ridiculously bad and all in-game trainers have scary movesets, Tate and Liza did give me some trouble in Emerald. The main problem was that I had neglected my training (I wanted to get the National Dex as soon as possible) and I didn't exactly have the best line-up against Tate and Liza. Machamp was practically useless in that battle, all their Pokémon ganged up against Swampert, Gardevoir didn't do too much damage with Thunderbolt, Sceptile was too fragile and Dodrio was totally owned by Lunatone and Solrock. If I would have had access to all the moves I wanted for my Pokémon, Tate and Liza wouldn't have been any trouble at all, but my male Sceptile would have required breeding for Leech Seed (so I would have needed Ditto) and needed Substitute, too, so yeah... =\ If only that darn Xatu wouldn't have been there. Xatu was what made Sceptile completely useless in that battle.
    I think my main problem with Winona was the fact that I was using:

    *Tropius
    *Swellow
    ^^Both weak against Aerial Ace

    *Trapinch
    *Magnemite
    *Aron
    *Marshtomp
    ^^All weak against Earthquake

    All were between level 26-35. I've changed out Tropius to try out Kecleon for awhile. I love my team, but they all had a major weakness to one of her two best moves. Oh well, it adds a challenge I suppose.
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    Swellow isn't weak to Flying type moves and Trapinch and Marshtomp aren't weak against Ground type moves. ._.
     
    Samson said:
    tate and liza? delcatty destroyed those suckers XD

    and umm swellow is NOT weak against aerial ace ._. ... and umm tropius is not a good pokemon. it's barely decent... you should really consider replacing it. i say switch it for a fighting type. breloom is good.
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    I do hope your comment about Delcatty was meant facetiously. You call Tropius barely decent, but Delcatty is the weakest and most worthless full evolution Poke in the game. It has no advantage over any type, doesn't have the stats to hit hard, and doesn't have the stats to take a hit. Delcatty is only used for its "cuteness" factor. At least Tropius has some use.

    As for the pathetic gym leaders, the only problem I have ever had was with Misty in FRLG. Her Staryu/Starmie have surprisingly high levels at that point in the game and I refuse to waste time having to level up my team to those levels or wasting time catching and raising a Grass-type. I just jump in an hope for the best.
     
    shane, i know, delcatty SUCKS, but i used it to the best of its ability and it DID do well even in the Elite 4. believe it or not, but it destroyed the dragon elite four guy. it's moveset was attract, charm, faint attack and ice beam. sure, that's the problem with in-game battling, but the grass/flying type just didn't do much in ruby. my tropius just kept dying. i remember being mad because i used the Sunny Day TM on it XD

    and yah, that starmie was tough in FR/LG... i went back to viridian forest and caught a pikachu, which sucked cus i HATE pikachu. but it still was quite useless after raising it to around lvl 20, so i just depended on wartortle and bite to do the job, which it eventually did.
     
    I'm gonna have to say Tate and Liza too. They are so annoying! I got really frustrated the first (and second/third/fourth xD) time I battled them. My team stood no chance..
     
    Samson said:
    tate and liza? delcatty destroyed those suckers XD

    and umm swellow is NOT weak against aerial ace ._. ... and umm tropius is not a good pokemon. it's barely decent... you should really consider replacing it. i say switch it for a fighting type. breloom is good.
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    Perhaps I should clarify myself on what I mean by saying "weak". I don't mean that there are elemental weakness between said Pokemon and said moves, I mean that my Pokemon don't have any particular strengths against the moves she chose to use. Also, doesn't a same-type attack(eg. Flying on Flying, Ground on Ground...) do 1.5 times the damage? It just seems like these moves were hitting my Flying and Ground types pretty hard, respectively. I'm used to being able to bring out Pokemon that my opponent can usualy only use ineffective moves against, through different type match-ups. It just couldn't happen this time. That is what I mean when I say "weak".

    Also, I like using my Tropius, but I am switching her out for awhile in exchange to see what my Kecleon is all about. ;) Although I'm sure Breloom is really good, fighting types just aren't my style.

    I hope this helps to clarify things
     
    SkyAttack said:
    Perhaps I should clarify myself on what I mean by saying "weak". I don't mean that there are elemental weakness between said Pokemon and said moves, I mean that my Pokemon don't have any particular strengths against the moves she chose to use. Also, doesn't a same-type attack(eg. Flying on Flying, Ground on Ground...) do 1.5 times the damage? It just seems like these moves were hitting my Flying and Ground types pretty hard, respectively. I'm used to being able to bring out Pokemon that my opponent can usualy only use ineffective moves against, through different type match-ups. It just couldn't happen this time. That is what I mean when I say "weak".

    Also, I like using my Tropius, but I am switching her out for awhile in exchange to see what my Kecleon is all about. ;) Although I'm sure Breloom is really good, fighting types just aren't my style.

    I hope this helps to clarify things
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    Okay, you have made some bad assumptions on a few things which is probably why you are having a tough time with Liza and Tate, whom are one of the easiest gym leaders in all of Pokemondom, especially since it is a 2v2 battle and the AI doesn't know good strategy from a 2+2 calculation. Basically, you attack Claydol with both of your Pokes. Once it is out of the way, this battle is a piece of cake. Swampert owns these two freaks. If you didn't start off with Mudkip then Shiftry and Cacturne do just as well, since they are Grass/Dark and resist all the attacks from the Pokes the two freaks have.

    BTW - Never assume that a type is weak to the same type. That is incorrect. The only types that are weak to the same type are Dragon and Ghost. In fact, the following types actually resist (0.5 damage) attacks from the same type:

    Dark
    Electric
    Fire
    Grass
    Ice
    Poison
    Psychic
    Steel
    Water

    Another problem you are having is that your "team" is not well put together. Liza & Tate's Pokes are Lv41-42. Marshtomp, Trapinch, Magnemite, and especially Aron are especially not going to cut it. I am a big proponent of not leveling up my Pokes any higher than the gym leader Pokes you face, but you are on the other extreme. A low level Marshtomp backed up only by a Swellow is going to cause anyone troubles. Either take time to level up your Pokes with good movesets, or choose better Pokes in which to battle with. Good luck.
     
    Twilight Sky said:
    With the exception of Juan in Emerald, I had no other problem with any gym leader.

    Juan however, was a problem with that Milotic. D:
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    Heh... Juan was killer.

    I've always had problems in R/B and LG with Misty. Her pokes are killer, and really high levels, and theres few pokemon that are good at water that early in the game. (Bulba if you picked him, bellsprout, and pika are all that i remember...)

    Yesterday my emerald was a different story though. I've been rushing to get the national Dex, so i haven't really cared about my pokemon team, i just wanted to beat Juan.
    I have a Blaziken, Ludicolo, and a Weezing. Ludi had gigadrain and Weezing had thunderbolt.
    All was well, i could 1 hit or so with Ludi's gigadrain (I was a few levels higher) until i got to kingdra. His ice beam was normally effective against me, and just hit hard. I tried to thunder bolt, but he had some nice spec def and blocked thunderbolts and gigadrains quite well. It was like a 3HKO with Giga... and i only had a max of 7 pp. So anyway, he would just rest and stall me, then use double team out the butt, then just repeat. So finally i had to wear down his icebeam PP, then WaterPulse (did 6 damage to Ludi =D), then Rest and doubleteam, and i finally beat him with blaziken because he could just doubleteam me. I've never had a longer fight...
     
    Tate and Liza. Though I had Mightyena, and Sharpedo, I lost as well because of my Blaziken. Level 68, but those dang psychic moves.
     
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