My newish sweeper team

[Valarauca]

I made a sweeper team, it was fun, did some damage, but really it was just for fun, so now i want to use it for real battling, and well rmt please (No veiws, idea, possible weaknesses, or general comments will be ignored)


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breloom @ toxic orb
jolly
Ev: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
~substitute
~ focus punch
~ seed bomb
~ spore
due to most staters no in day just exsiting to set up sr, i decided on this guy to use them as set up fodder, my starter choices are narrowed down to gyara, breloom, T-tar

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Dugtrio @ choice band
jolly
Ev: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
~ earthquake
~ sucker punch
~ stone edge
~ Aerail ace

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cressila @ leftovers
timid
Ev: 96 hp, 252 spA, 160
~ calm mind
~ psychic
~ ice beam
~ moon light
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infernape @ life orb
naive
Ev: 24 att, 252 spe, 232 spaA
~ nasty plot
~ flaethrower
~ close combat
~ grass knot

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Deoxys - e @ life orb
modest
Ev: 252 spe, 252 spA, 6hp
~ psychic
~ ice beam
~ shadow ball
~ thunderbolt
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salamence @ leftovers
bold
Ev: 216 hp, 252 def, 40 spe
~ roost
~ flamethrower
~ dragon meteor
~ toxic
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thnxs in advance

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This team was created by shadowman080, with the help of smogon, and vance (electivire). Shadowman080 is not responsible for your success if you copy this team, void were prohibited. Shadowman080 is proudly sponsered by The Krusty Krab (come spend your mony here!).

 

[Dark Azelf]

Infernape @ focus sash
Jolly / naive
Ev: 252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 DEF OR 48 Atk / 208 Spe / 252 SpA (W/Fire Blast)
~ Fire Blast / Taunt / Encore / Will-o-wips
~ Stealth Rock
~ Fake Out
~ close combat

I introduce you to Lead infernape, Fake Out nabs foe Sash leads and you can then set up a Quick SR.

The move in the first slot is all up to preference, Fire Blast with get a Blaze boost with one hp, so you can 2hko incoming cress =). It also hits anything resistant to CC, whist taunt shuts down walls. Encore can create an easier time for an ally Pokemon to come in (aka encore a foe Blisseys Aromatherapy or something and gogogo dugtrio). Will-o-wisp just flat out cripples Gyarados and slamence leads, it also cripples walls.


Dugtrio @ choice band
Jolly
Ev: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
~ earthquake
~ sucker punch
~ stone edge
~ Aeriel ace

Jolly > Adamant for you get oursped by ALOT of the things you should be killing.


electivire @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Mild
Ev: 252 sp.att, 176 Speed 80 Att
~ Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Grass
~ Thunderbolt
~ Flamethrower
~ cross chop

LOL. I said earlier this is one of the biggest messes ive ever seen in my days, WHAT iS THE POINT IN SURVIVING EQS FROM WALLS WHEN YOU CAN OHKO/2hko THEM ?

This is the less "fail vire" set up.


Lucario @ life orb
adamant
Ev: 252 att, 252 spe, 6 hp
~ sword dance
~ crunch
~ close combat
~ Extreme speed

K.

Im not happy with the last 2 slots...I just dont find starmie good in the current metagame. Celebi doesnt fit in either.

You need a fighting resist or foe SD Luke/Hera kill you..I would suggest Mence or something >> Starmie.

Deoxys E could fit here and is VERY useful against Gyarados in terms of revenge =). > Celebi.

There are also better options than vire aswell, say for example if you added Mixmence > Starmie, you then have a free slot to play with and put something more productive > Vire.

AKA a something offensive with Sleep Talk ALA Heracross @ Choice Scarf Sleep Talk/Close Combat/Megahorn/Stone Edge to absorb status for you.

Ape/Duggy/D-E/Lucario/Hera/Mence <--Something like that.

 

[Skip Shot]

Introducing the special attacker!

shadowman: hi!

(special attacker kills D_A's recommended team)

You have no one to abosrb special attacks. Do Consider CB Lax >> ur Duggy. Special attackers ( and in shadowman's team's case after Mie is out, walls) otherwise can just lol at this team.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Introducing the special attacker!

shadowman: hi!

(special attacker kills D_A's recommended team)

You have no one to abosrb special attacks. Do Consider CB Lax >> ur Duggy. Special attackers ( and in shadowman's team's case after Mie is out, walls) otherwise can just lol at this team.

It will be nice finding a special attacker that outspeeds half of that lol

Sure CB Lax would fit in, but meh.


Anyways, You DO NOT need any walls/tanks on an offensive team, you are on the offense mostly and this is quite clearly an offensive team. Hell Husk didnt have any walls or anything that could even take a hit and he got to number one on the shoddy ladder =/. They work on resistances, revenge and whatnot.

 

[Valarauca]

Ok thnxs for the help D_A.

Introducing the special attacker!

shadowman: hi!

(special attacker kills D_A's recommended team)

You have no one to abosrb special attacks. Do Consider CB Lax >> ur Duggy. Special attackers ( and in shadowman's team's case after Mie is out, walls) otherwise can just lol at this team.

considered, tested almost added, didn't feel right

will be nice finding a special attacker that outspeeds half of that lol

Sure CB Lax would fit in, but meh.


Anyways, You DO NOT need any walls/tanks on an offensive team, you are on the offense mostly and this is quite clearly an offensive team. Hell Husk didnt have any walls or anything that could even take a hit and he got to number one on the shoddy ladder =/. They work on resistances, revenge and whatnot.

Very true, i guess the lession is winning a battle of attrition in pokemon is still a win, just run to pokemoncenter as fast as you can....

 

[Anti]

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------------------------------------^agrees

Anyways, what is Electivire doing here? It doesn't have anything to steal motor drive boosts off of, which makes it nearly impossible for fast sweeper to come in on it to scare it away. I don't really think Mixed Electivire is much more useful than the physical set and I really recommend dropping it. It only adds to that awful quakeslide weakness. I mean why Rhyperior is a problem for you, you know something's up.

I don't really know what this team is trying to accomplish so it's tough to recommend replacements. In other wods, it seems to lack a central strategy...

 

[Valarauca]

Anyways, what is Electivire doing here?

Electivire fills the roll as a mixed sweeper and bait, normally gettings about 1 ko per match, works nicely in the early game, gets walled by some stuff, but thats why you run 6 pokes not 1. I guess it works good anytime, but normally gets ko'd before many of my oppents pokes are gone (making it late game), then most work is left to lucario, he is really capable to clearing the field in my mind*.

I don't really know what this team is trying to accomplish so it's tough to recommend replacements. In other words, it seems to lack a central strategy...

Win.... duh...




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[Sora_8920]

Electivire fills the roll as a mixed sweeper and bait, normally gettings about 1 ko per match, works nicely in the early game, gets walled by some stuff, but thats why you run 6 pokes not 1. I guess it works good anytime, but normally gets ko'd before many of my oppents pokes are gone (making it late game), then most work is left to lucario, he is really capable to clearing the field in my mind*.



Win.... duh...


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XD; Anyway, go Timid >>> Modest on D-E to obviously outspeed stuff you can't with Modest.

TBH, Electrivire is a dead weight on pretty much almost any team.

 

[Skip Shot]

Recommendations:

A. Scrap Electivire. Does nothing for this team, and rlly doesnt fit the bill as a mixed sweeper. IMO, it should be BL.
B. In its place, bring in something to absorb special attacks. Cress, Lax, Bliss, and Dusknoir work fine in that position
C,(optional): If you want a Mixed Sweeper on your team, put it over either Duggy or Luke, preferably Luke, as Duggy can trap/revenge kill stuff beisdes weavile, which doesnt take much from SP.
D(for all u dusknoir haters): Dusknoir is tied with Bliss for highest sp. def. in OU, and has the same stat in def. Stop saying that it won't work as a wall, because it does. Dusknoir is arguably the greatest wall in the game. It can absorb physical and special attackers like a sponge, then can KO back with an average attack stat of 100. Dusknoir FTW.

 

[Anti]

Electivire fills the roll as a mixed sweeper and bait, normally gettings about 1 ko per match, works nicely in the early game, gets walled by some stuff, but thats why you run 6 pokes not 1. I guess it works good anytime, but normally gets ko'd before many of my oppents pokes are gone (making it late game), then most work is left to lucario, he is really capable to clearing the field in my mind*.

There are better sweepers than Electivire is what I'm saying. You're doing your team harm keeping it when the slot he fills could be doing so many more things.

Win.... duh...

=/

When "Win" becomes a strategy let me know.

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wtf

One great thing for vire's slot would be something that can take a hit. Cresselia would be awesome since every dragon in the game pretty much 6-0s you straight away.

 

[Valarauca]

A. Scrap Electivire. Does nothing for this team, and rlly doesnt fit the bill as a mixed sweeper. IMO, it should be BL.

done, electivire was removed last night, its very dead wieght

B. In its place, bring in something to absorb special attacks. Cress, Lax, Bliss, and Dusknoir work fine in that position

cress most likely, but ill will be cm so that it can still sweep

C,(optional): If you want a Mixed Sweeper on your team, put it over either Duggy or Luke, preferably Luke, as Duggy can trap/revenge kill stuff beisdes weavile, which doesnt take much from SP.

luke is being replace by mixape, now i need a leader, leader most likely flinchkiss

D(for all u dusknoir haters): Dusknoir is tied with Bliss for highest sp. def. in OU, and has the same stat in def. Stop saying that it won't work as a wall, because it does. Dusknoir is arguably the greatest wall in the game. It can absorb physical and special attackers like a sponge, then can KO back with an average attack stat of 100. Dusknoir FTW.

dusknoir = blissey spD
dusknoir hp <<< blissey
i don't like dusknoir but he doesn't fit on this team to wallish (it would slow me down)

 

[Skip Shot]

done, electivire was removed last night, its very dead wieght


cress most likely, but ill will be cm so that it can still sweep


luke is being replace by mixape, now i need a leader, leader most likely flinchkiss


dusknoir = blissey spD
dusknoir hp <<< blissey
i don't like dusknoir but he doesn't fit on this team to wallish (it would slow me down)

CM Cress sounds fine to me. Also, luke doesnt need replacing, just change the set on your leadape. As for a leader, Flinchkiss is gonna die from a vile Ice shard, hera SE, u get the picture. I'd say either through a Vile in for a lead or my favorite, Breloom's SubSporePunchin Set.

Breloom@ Toxic Orb
Jolly Nature
Poison Heal
252 atk, 252 spe, 6 HP

Substitute
Spore
Seed Bomb
Focus Punch

This set totally owns. Spores to sleep, then gets a free sub except on lum users, then seed bombs and punches away like crazy.

On my old team, this breloom was a force to be reckoned with, and usually took out half of an opponent's team before it lost its sub.

EDIT: I think those EV's are messed up, I need to check, i know it took 3 vile shards to kill it.

 

[sims796]

Winning is my central strategy as well. It is very effective.

What's with the walls? Thought this was an all sweeper team? Moonlight is obsolete with the addition of SAndstorm in standard play.

Anyways, You DO NOT need any walls/tanks on an offensive team, you are on the offense mostly and this is quite clearly an offensive team. Hell Husk didnt have any walls or anything that could even take a hit and he got to number one on the shoddy ladder =/. They work on resistances, revenge and whatnot.

He worded it much better.

 

[Skip Shot]

We're trying to give him stuff to abosrb attacks AND sweep, like CM Cress, CB Lax, etc.

 

[Valarauca]

Winning is my central strategy as well. It is very effective.

It is, i wonder what the other (winning) strategy's are?

What's with the walls? Thought this was an all sweeper team? Moonlight is obsolete with the addition of SAndstorm in standard play.

This is very true, moonlight is kind of dead weight, i've noticeds this from battles, i rarely get a chance to use it due to the quick playing nature of my team

We're trying to give him stuff to abosrb attacks AND sweep, like CM Cress, CB Lax, etc.

Yes, but moonlight still is dead weight, unlike roost which is useful, in all weather


moonlight will likely be changed to hp fighting, for better coverage and making it more sweeperish

 

[Skip Shot]

I wasn't meaning moonlight, since that isn;t that great. I meant give u Pokemon, not movesets that can absorb and kill. Like my SubSeedPunch Loomer. Or a Crocune. CM Cress. CB Lax. U get the picture.

 

[Valarauca]

add crocune, or cb lax ahhh

 

[sims796]

Just be wary of the slow nature of both those pokes on a sweeping team, it can really slow the fast pace of your game.