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My questions on your abilities and stable condision PC. Please dont close..Regret..

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I could be wrong here, but isn't the same person responsible for ending Rep that almost ended the DCC??
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No, not at all. The rep issue was a more widespread problem there was no single member that made us end it..
 
Well...as far as Rep goes...If I remember correctly, there was a member that came out and admitted to abusing the Rep system. And yes...Rep was taken away for widespread abuse, but this member was the "straw that broke the camel's back". And I believe it was the same member that once again "broke the camel's back" with the DCC. I just wanted to clarify what I meant...if I'm still wrong I'll shutup. :x Haha

And not all members use the DCC for boosting post count. The majority of members are there to meet new people, have friendly conversation, etc. Don't get me wrong here, I am not against the staff. I greatly support the staff of PC, and for the most part I think you guys do a great job around here. And I believe you are making the right choice by re-opening the DCC with rules in place. Hopefully the members of PC, as a whole, can prove that the DCC can run smoothly. XD
 
megafuz said:
Well...as far as Rep goes...If I remember correctly, there was a member that came out and admitted to abusing the Rep system. And yes...Rep was taken away for widespread abuse, but this member was the "straw that broke the camel's back". And I believe it was the same member that once again "broke the camel's back" with the DCC. I just wanted to clarify what I meant...if I'm still wrong I'll shutup. :x Haha

And not all members use the DCC for boosting post count. The majority of members are there to meet new people, have friendly conversation, etc. Don't get me wrong here, I am not against the staff. I greatly support the staff of PC, and for the most part I think you guys do a great job around here. And I believe you are making the right choice by re-opening the DCC with rules in place. Hopefully the members of PC, as a whole, can prove that the DCC can run smoothly. XD
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Yeah, that member came out and said it, but this wasn't just a spur of the moment thing. Discussions of removing rep had been going since around May. It was only just a few months ago that we actually picked it off. The reason DCC was closed, as much as people hate to admit it, is because more and more members broke the rules. People just now are complaining because other members, even some staff had been breaking rules and no one ever said anything. If you see anyone, even staff, breaking rules, you are to report them. Just because they didn't get in trouble for it right off the bat doesn't mean that it wasn't wrong.
 
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One of the reason?s T-done was closed to begin with was just like DCC, some members couldn?t get their minds out of the gutter. It was cool at first, but people went to far, and certain topics fueled flame wars.
As for rep, it?s been gone for a while and PC?s still standing, I don?t see why people are still complaining about it. Everyone, including myself abused rep at one time or another, a lot of higher staff did too. It was just green blocks that got out of control and we?re fine without it.
As for DCC, this is a Pokemon forum, and I think that some members tend to forget that while posting there, along with that, they forget that there are also 11-12 year olds wondering around. Those members know who they are, and to them all I have to say is I for one have no desire to hear about their love lives while I?m trying to talk to friends about slightly more tasteful topics. I still think that punishment should be given to those who continue to brake rules, because some of the post I?ve seen made by active and well liked members are not much better then those made by perverted spammers. Still, I don?t under any cir***stances want to see DCC locked for too long, it?s the heart of OC.

End of my two cents. XD
 
I hate it when congressmen and government workers try to make videogames seem horrible even though they've never played one themselves

Amazing how everyone that's against the DCC never seems to be a regular poster there...

funny that...

And how hundreds of member simply LOVE the DCC...but a few members who never post there don't like it, so we rule in favor of them? When did PC have to become politically correct?

The DCC brings in forum activity, posts, members, topics and discussions. Why does the staff hate this so much? I saw someone say that it causes more bad than good. Is it because some of the topics are immature? We have 100's of perfectly wholesome topics going through that thing in a day, and we have MAYBE one seriously bad topic go through a week. Bad topics don't even last, they'll last a couple pages and then, BAM, on to a new topic. It's just how the DCC works. I completely disagree with whoever said that. I think it causes more good than bad.

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And I don't know who's idea it was to close the DCC just to "test the water"...but it shocks me to see that they're still a staff member after thinking that such a selfish, irresponsible decision would be GOOD? But hey, I don't know how you guys work anymore so *thumbs up* >_>

The Nazi's used to tear the skin off of identical twins just to "test the water." I know that that is an extreme example, but the same foolish logic applies.
 
Look at us all fighting over a silly thread.

It is the mods choice and no one change it your all just wasting your time.
 
Happy Dude said:
Look at us all fighting over a silly thread.

It is the mods choice and no one change it your all just wasting your time.
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You're not providing anything useful to this thread by posting that

so quit wasting our time...
 
Okay D, you just hit a nice little cord with me.

Yes. It was left closed to see how people would act. I don't know why I ever thought that people would be able to handle it in a mature manner, but kudos to you for proving me wrong once again. I am a regular poster in DCC, you can't deny that and it wasn't DCC as a whole I didn't like, but the way people were dragging it down.

The DCC brings in forum activity, posts, members, topics and discussions. Why does the staff hate this so much? I saw someone say that it causes more bad than good. Is it because some of the topics are immature? We have 100's of perfectly wholesome topics going through that thing in a day, and we have MAYBE one seriously bad topic go through a week. Bad topics don't even last, they'll last a couple pages and then, BAM, on to a new topic. It's just how the DCC works. I completely disagree with whoever said that. I think it causes more good than bad.
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Maybe one? No. There were a lot of bad topics in there that you and lots of other members, including staff turned a blind eye to. I don't know what DCC you posted in, but the one that I did had a lot of members having to be warned and told to stop posting about what they were doing.

The Nazi thing was low, even for you. You're comparing kids to a bunch of people that enjoyed the persecution and murder of an entire people? Real mature.

Also, I'm closing this thread, and any thread in the future on the subject. Why? Because here at PC, we're a totalitarian uncaring heartless machine. Have a nice day.
 
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Apologies, I didn't mean to make this the last word. I typed it, then had to leave the computer for a half hour before finishing and posting it, and I didn't know this had been locked. If you're looking for a last word, read Jorge's post above this one.

Moral relativism can only be tolerated to such and such extent, and contrary to the convoluted ideas of the people here who make a pastime of railing against authority for railing against authority's sake, leadership does have a right to impose their own collective opinions on the governed through the addition of new rules and decrees. Many people believe that any social contract is one-dimensional, with a system that flows perfectly and mechanically under the simple mutual agreement of "we will allow ourselves to be governed as long as we are governed fairly", and on the side of those in power, "we will govern you and protect you as long as you respect us." In this sense, people with little depth of understanding of these issues believe that it is nothing more than give-and-take, that as long as no one's "rights" are infringed on there will be peace. But, as far as the protection of the people is concerned, moral codes are important because it determines those governed who are not acting in a way that benefits their fellow people. I will not debate or go into morality itself--either you believe in principle, or you don't. But, in the context of pre-existing codes of conduct held by those in power, and those who consent to live under such laws, protection of the governed can come in the form of revocation of privileges at the cost of the few to protect the many, whether they accept it or not. In this case, we even ended up protecting PC from itself, which is a concept beyond those who are offended by being corrected when they deviate from acceptable standards. Popularity does not imply correctness, and majority does not imply moral authority. Crime, however, implies punishment, and as imperfect a solution as punishing all for the deeds of some is, it was worse in this case to let what was going on slip through with a blind eye. Being a leader is all about applying what you believe to situations, and this is what we did here, what would be expected of any group in power.
 
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I didn't make a mistake and post this after this thread was closed. I typed this whole post 3 hours after the thread was closed. So if any of you want the "OMG Andy posted in a locked thread again!" then fine, I don't give a flip. What I'm about to say is what I think of the PC members, this DCC thing, as well as a few other things (some of this won't have a thing to do with the DCC, but I don't care).

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I'm going to censor bypass in this post (yes I know it's in the rules), if you don't like it then sue me. I'm just giving all of you a head's up incase any of you don't want to hear any bad words (and there will be a good many). And yes, this isn't going to make some of you happy.


~ The DCC
I think it's sad that all of you are getting worked up over 1 thread. Sure it's been around longer then me, sure we've have it forever. But it's still nothing to get all worked up over. It's one **** thread in one forum. I think it's sad that members will get worked up over something as stupid as the DCC. I love posting in there, and I love to make friends in there. But would I go out and get myself banned or flame the Staff for it? Hell no, you got to be just plain stupid to do so (that I've seen in some of the posts in this thread). The DCC is spammy, flammy, and even has the sex talk in it. And when 1 Praetor warns (well more like asking) members to stop the sex topic they didn't stop. Now it's nice how PC has went so far down the **** gutter that members won't listen to Staff (more on that later). Sure Jorge could have just temp banned them members and that would have been the end of it. But since it was the last day of the month he went a head and locked it (he even asked me if it was ok, sure he didn't have to ask me, but if you **** members want to blame someone then blame me) because a new one was going to be start in a day. And look how all you ****ing members reacted 2 got ticked off enough to get banned, another X-Staff member called the Staff ****s. Wow all this hate over one thread, you have got to be stupid, dumb and out of your mind to think the sex topics were ok. So just because a new topic will come along it's ok. Well I guess it's ok if someone posts porn in the DCC and then the topic changed it'd be ok to be there. What you don't like that reasoning? Well screw you, that's how it is, I don't give a **** what any of you think (D I also don't give a **** what you think on this, if I get an IM, PM, or post from you I'll block you on MSN and put you on my ignore list on PC. I won't ever have anything to do with you again. Sorry if it sounds hard, but I don't want to hear the crap you'll spit out). If it was up to me, I'd start the DCC back up, but I'd delete all the posts from you members that think "sex topics are ok".

~ The n00bs
Told ya some of this wouldn't have a thing to do with the DCC. But since I'm done started and since I'll most likely get my ass kicked or something from the Staff I might as well get all this done at once.
Here's what I think of you n00bs (now remember, there's a clear difference in n00bs and newbies. n00bs join and won't learn the rules or won't try to better themselves. But newbies on the other hand will try to be a good member on PC. I was a newbie on PC, most all good members on PC was a newbie at one time). You're all **** losers that I don't give a **** about. And if I had my way I'd ban every single one of you and IP ban you so that PC wouldn't have to see the stupid pointless grammar screwed posts from you. If you don't want to try to be better on PC (aka newbie) then you shouldn't be here because you're a pain in the ass for the Staff and just make all them stressed out more. Now I get PMs from n00bs reporting threads that isn't anything wrong with them. I get PMs from n00bs asking stupid, dumb, **** assed questions that's in the FAQ (like hello!, use that ****ing brain that God gave you and do a little searching for yourself). Some times I wonder how any of you will get anywhere in life. With 13-17 year olds with grammar worse then my 5 year old cousin (I'm not the best on grammar, hell I'm most likely the worst when it comes to the Staff. But at least I try, unlike some of you). Or you're too stupid to read FAQ or look something up for yourself. I'd love to be there when you get your first job "Hey boss, do you use a lighter to start the electric stove?". Some ways I feel sorry for you, other ways I'd feel like beating the crap out of you.

~ Anti-Staff
Here's another one of them "I don't give a flip" things. I am going to call every member that puts down the Staff for no reason, or gets a kick out of flaming Staff or whatever, I'm going to call all of you Anti-Staff (if you don't like it then go **** yourself because I hate you as much as you hate me). "Hey sweet, we don't get a Staff feedback thread so we can start a new thread about it just to flame Staff", man I so wanted to ban all of you for your stupid remarks in that thread.
Ok guys and gals here is how it goes. None of you know a **** thing about being a Staff member (and D that goes for you too, seeing how you are always "Anti-Staff" when it comes to Staff stuff. You weren't on enough in the months up to your demotion to know a **** thing about how the Staff works). All of you need a good kick in the head. You don't know how much **** we got to deal with when it comes to moving/locking/reports and so on. The n00bs is enough to drive any Staff member up the wall (none of you knew this but back on the old PC I wouldn't even flame a spammer, I wouldn't put down any member on PC. But look how things has changed). And then we get all this BS from you guys (I'm not talking about the ones that just points things out, I'm talking about ones that'll reply to every thread they can if it has something to do with the Staff. They'll reply just to put down the Staff). PC is not a dictatorship, and even if it was none of you would know or care because all you do is hate Staff. Most of you do it because you can't stand authority, you can't stand someone telling you what to do. And some of you jump in just because it's fun. Well I've upgraded the kick in the head to a great big stone thrown in the face really really hard. Because the Staff works their butts off and they have to hear this **** from all of you. I am so grateful for every single Staff member on PC. They all do their work and they are putting time into PC, their own free time to help PC. And what do you members give them? A knife in the back because you're not thankful for anything. If it wasn't for the Staff none of you would have a forum, and even if Steve still hosted and paid for PC without any Staff PC would be full of spammers (both porn and thread spammers), flamers, and just all around a bad bored. But NOOOO none of you *******s thing of that before you run off to the nearest thread in Q&F and flame the Staff over something you don't like. I think it's sick that you can put down the Staff and not even think of everything they have done for PC. Sure members make PC a forum, but the Staff make PC a home to where lots of members come to and can call it their "Home Forum". Because without the Staff PC wouldn't feel very home like with all the porn, spammers, flamers around. So before any of you stuck up *******s members go around picking on Staff you need to stop and think about PC.

~ The Whole DCC thing
Do I want the DCC reopened? Sure I do, I love the thread, I love going there talking to friends and just being a member (not Staff, just posting around like any other member). I've had lots of fun and made lots of friends in the DCC. But when sex topics and posts breaking the rules comes in then that's when the fun dies. Sure I'm not as hard when it comes to "spam" in the DCC. But just because I don't say anything about it doesn't make it right.
Will the DCC be reopened? Yea it will, as soon as this post gets made I'm getting the rules the Staff put together and I'm going to start a new DCC. Everyone who posts in the DCC will go by them rules, they are not guidelines they are rules. They are no different then forum rules or even PC rules. And if none of you members like the rules then bang your head on the keyboard and find another thread to post in. Because we are sure as hell not going to change them rules for anyone. And them rules will be there from now on or till the Staff find it ok to remove them (most likely never because a lot of you won't even go by the main PC rules).
I really hate to see Pory and CFG leave over the DCC. I do hope they come back (some of you Staff will hate me for saying that). No one should leave over a thread like the DCC. All we want is for the members to cut the sex talk and the pure spam in there. Is that so much to ask for? I mean it's in the rules so why do all of you think it's a-okay for the topics be in the DCC? If you really want to talk about it then do it over MSN or on another forum. PC has rules, any good forum has rules. So just go by them and the DCC won't get closed for good.

~ PC Itself
I'll make this one a short one. I think it's sad how members will get warnings form Staff and the members will brush it off like it wasn't anything. Staff are here for a reason. And I also think it's sad that the Staff get so little respect now days. I'm not saying "I respect Arcanine", that's not what I'm talking about. If someone respects me (Andy) then I earned that respect. But what should be respected by every single member on PC is the Staff. I'm talking about respecting that title. Everyone should respect the Staff titles. Not because they are colored, but they worked hard for that rank. I worked really really hard on PC to get to Administrator. None of you should respect me for the work I did, you should be respecting the title "Administrator". I know it sounds confusing, but there's a difference in respecting me and respecting the rank. What I'm saying is, back on the old PC when I first joined everyone did what the Staff said. I'm not saying we should live in the past, but them members that holds the rank of "Staff Member" worked hard to get there. You might not like the member, but you better listen to them. Because you are not listening to Andy when I warn someone, you are listening to the Staff Administrator. Every person on PC is a member (everyone but Steve and Kwesi because they own PC), I had to join like all of you, I post like all of you. I am a member on PC with Staff powers. I am not above the rules no more then any of you. I am no different then any of you. Sure I have a colored name, larger avy and a larger PM box. But when it comes right down to it I'm just a member. I don't pay for hosting, I don't pay for the vB and so on. What most people fail to understand is Staff members are just normal members. So that's why I say you listen to the rank that member holds, not the member itself. If Kaga says stop spamming you are listening to the S-Mod say that. All Staff are members, remember that.


Well that's it. Yea I know, lots of swearing in it. But I don't care, because everything I said was ture and needed to be said. I really do hope the higher Staff starts a thread about me for me to get banned (temp or perm) or getting demoted or kicked from the Staff all togehter. I am not above the rules and action should be taken to all my swearing, censor bypassing, flaming, and bashing in this post. Because like I've said, I am just a member like all of you. I am above the rules no more then any other member on PC. So action should be taken on this. And I really hope it doesn't go "Well we'll let him go this time", I don't want that. Because I can't sit here and tell all of you "Go by the rules" and here I am breaking them and nothing happens.
If none of you liked what I said or our friendship went out the window then I'm sorry. But all of this is true, and I really do hope it opens up a few eyes to how some people does and how hard the Staff works. If it didn't then nothing will.
I love PC, I always have. It's the members that ticks me off. I'm sure it'll be hard to find a member that really hates PC (even the Anti-Staff love PC for one reason or another) but still sticks around. And untill the day I am demoted to a normal member or untill PC goes down I'll be helping PC the best I can (maybe that time is sooner then I know).

~ Andy
 
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