My Team for Competitive Battling

[Artemis]

Okay here is a standard team that I formed for competitive battling, after a bit of research and help from many people, here is what I have so far. Please feel free to suggest any changes and so forth...

Typhlosion @ Wide Lens
Lonely Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 sp. def
Flamethrower
Earthquake
Will-O-Wisp
Focus Blast

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid Nature; 160 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 96 sp. def
Shadow Ball
Mean Look
Perish Song
Charge Beam

Politoed @ Leftovers
Calm Nature; 252 sp. atk/252 sp. def/6 HP
Surf
Psychic
Swagger
Ice Beam

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Scizor @ Leftovers
Careful Nature; 224 def/ 192 atk/ 80 sp. def/ 12 speed
Iron Head
Aerial Ace
Swords Dance
Roost

Weavile @ Lum Berry
Jolly Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

Steelix @ Focus Sash
Careful Nature; 96 HP/ 160 atk/ 252 def
Stone Edge
Rock Polish
Earthquake
Explosion​

 

[StrickeN]

Okay here is a standard team that I formed for competitive battling, after a bit of research and help from many people, here is what I have so far. Please feel free to suggest any changes and so forth...

Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 sp. def
Flamethrower
Eruption
Hidden Power Ice
Focus Blast
Woah, if you like thos EVs thats fine. But use this over EQ, thats just pointless. I'll post another Phlosion option @ the bottom.

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid Nature; 160 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 96 sp. def
Shadow Ball
Mean Look
Perish Song
Charge Beam
Meh this could work. but timid with no HP, you won't live to many hits. Unless of course your PerishTrapping something your resistant too.

Politoed @ Leftovers
Calm Nature; 252 sp. atk/252 sp. def/6 HP
Surf
Focus Blast
Hidden Power Grass
Ice Beam
Those give you more coverage, and allow you to take down a Weavile, who with your other spread pretty much takes w/e you throw at him :P. HP Grass for Swamparts and other water types. and NEVER give an opponent a swagger, when you have 0 def EVs :P thats asking for trouble.
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Scizor @ Leftovers
Careful Nature; 224 def/ 192 atk/ 80 sp. def/ 12 speed
Iron Head
Aerial Ace
X-Scissor
Roost
I'm not entirely sure where this EV spread even came from. Whats the purpose? You'll get a safe SD sure, but you won't be hitting very much,a s your slower than anything :p and no priority. So I'd Replace SD with something like X-Scissor.

Weavile @ Choice Band
Adament Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

With this spread, your revenge killing is superb, and you can 2HKO Blissey :D. Pursuit becomes Godly on a switch, and does about 2/3+ to max def max HP Celebi. (run the calc I'm not entirely sure)

Steelix @ Focus Sash
Careful Nature; 96 HP/ 160 atk/ 252 def
Stone Edge
Rock Polish
Earthquake
Explosion
lol sure​

Here are a couple ideas you might consider

Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Rash
144 Atk / 252 SpA / 112 Spe
-Eruption
-Focus Punch
-Hidden Power Ice
-Overheat/WoW

I always liked this standard Phlosion lead. Focus Punch for Blissey foolings :P Overheat for when Eruption is weakened. HP Ice for the new DDOutrage Mences. :)

Scizor @ Life Orb
[Technician]
Adament
252 Attack / 234 HP / 24 Def
-Swords Dance
-Roost
-Quick Attack / Bullet Punch (if you have plat)
-X-Scissor / Brick Break

This set is just WOW. Standard yes, but Scizor is made for DanceOrbTechnician. X-Scissor after 1 SD OHKO's cress, and QA after 1 SD does a great deal to mences and other things, where as Bullet Punch probably does mroe. but Mind you if you choose Bullet Punch Brick break is prefered for Heatran / magnezone switch ins who other wise wall the heck out of you.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ill allow this as i see it needs alot of help.

Alot of threats walk over you with little effort.


But lets come to that later : -

As a rule of thumb use Max hp ALWAYS on defensive pokes (there are a few exceptions, however that doesnt apply in this case), than means Max hp / max sp.def on Politoed. Will give you more overall durability than just max def and min hp.

As for steelix...the thing is way too bulky for a Focus Sash and cant sweep.


Steelix@Leftovers / Shed Shell
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Relaxed / Impish Nature
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Toxic

Wall ftw. Has enough physical defense, so invest in its sp.def to take hits from both sides. This also gives your team some MUCH needed support.


Scizor would like this


Scizor@Life Orb
224 HP / 252 ATT / 24 DEF
Adamant Nature
Trait : -Technician

Use Quick attack >> Aerial Ace. As it is priority which your team lacks and it really powerful with Technician. If you have Platinum, feel free to use Bullet Punch + X-Scissor as attacking moves =).


Weavile needs more Choice Band and Ice Shard >> ice Punch. for priority on all these Dragon Dancers and to an extenet, Skymin.


I may come back for a better rate later.

https://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ <-This website will help you to no end, you should check it.



EDIT : Stricken covered most of it too =p.

 

[Artemis]

Okay I'm starting to get in the tone of all this...still a little confused on what to do at the moment, but I'm working on it.....maybe with a few more suggestions and ideas, I'll start to finally understand what I need to do. As for now, I'm a bit off track, but getting there...

I'm taking everyone's ideas and suggestions into thought as I go along with this...it really helps me out a lot...

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

- Smogon's ScarfPhlo is rubbish. Everyone should know that >____>

Spoiler:

Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 120 HP, 252 SpAtk, 136 Spd
Modest Nature
Eruption
HP Ice
Fire Blast
Focus Blast

- PerishTrapping Mismagius needs much more defence here. Substitute over Charge Beam, max HP, Timid, no SpAtk is needed really to be honest, apart from the obvious 4 leftover EVs of course

- I'll just let you know Politoed is rubbish in OU, and I'll leave it at that.

- Adamant Scizor with Roost/X-Scissor/Bullet Punch/Swords Dance is far superior, also 252 Atk, not sure of speed number though

- Ice Shard over Ice Punch and Choice Band over Lum Berry on Weavile. That is allogy.

- That Steelix is ._.

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Six Pokemon with sweeper movesets. Not a good idea. Commendation for using Typhlosion, though the rest of the team bar Weavile and Scizor could do with replacing for reliable defence.

 

[StrickeN]

- Smogon's ScarfPhlo is rubbish. Everyone should know that >____>

Spoiler:

Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 120 HP, 252 SpAtk, 136 Spd
Modest Nature
Eruption
HP Ice
Fire Blast
Focus Blast

- PerishTrapping Mismagius needs much more defence here. Substitute over Charge Beam, max HP, Timid, no SpAtk is needed really to be honest, apart from the obvious 4 leftover EVs of course

- I'll just let you know Politoed is rubbish in OU, and I'll leave it at that.

- Adamant Scizor with Roost/X-Scissor/Bullet Punch/Swords Dance is far superior, also 252 Atk, not sure of speed number though

- Ice Shard over Ice Punch and Choice Band over Lum Berry on Weavile. That is allogy.

- That Steelix is ._.

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Six Pokemon with sweeper movesets. Not a good idea. Commendation for using Typhlosion, though the rest of the team bar Weavile and Scizor could do with replacing for reliable defence.

This is the worst trash I've ever read in my life.

Bullet Punch with X-Scissor is walled EASIER than QA/X-Scissor version <,<.

And lol @ your ScarfLosion set, thats TERRIBLE. ScarfLeads NEED mixiness to take down counters. Which is why Fpunch is there, blisseys are all to common, as are laxes who FYI, have thick fat :o so they shurg off Eruption like it were nothing.

Plus focus blast has LESS accuracy, therefore it's crap. Thats what McGar so special, he was able to hit blissey with physical hits, because she took his special assaults like it were nothing.

And telling him that Politoad is rubbish in OU, is plain stupid. I used politoad in my standard team for a long time, and guess what? :o it won me a good deal of games.

It's like people who told me my special defense Charm/Roar/Wish/Surf vaporeon was crap, but when it destroyed MixApes and other crap they weren't laughing then :D

and just so you know JollySDVile does exist.

 

[luke]

Woah, woah, woah. Relax dude. For starters, this isn't even your team. Why are you getting so worked up over it. Two, what sort of right do you have to call his advice rubbish.

Accuracy = Doesn't make a move crap. Focus Blast is used on a lot of Pokemon, and going Mixed isn't the only solution to Typhlosion's coverage.

So chill out and don't let this turn into a flamewar because I WILL infract people.

 

[Artemis]

I completely agree with Britney Spears this whole conflict that just happened is WAY off topic and just got me completely LOST...so can we please get back on topic because I can more than ever use the help right now...

plz and thank you

 

[wolf]

Okay here is a standard team that I formed for competitive battling, after a bit of research and help from many people, here is what I have so far. Please feel free to suggest any changes and so forth...

Typhlosion @ Pataya Berry
Modest Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 HP
Flamethrower/ Fire Blast
Substitute
Solarbeam
Sunny Day
I seem to like this combo, sunny day, then sub. down till blaze and pataya berry kicks in then he can be a killer, solarbeam for water types that get in the way and flamethrower or fire blast to sweep using his STAB. I prefer fire blast for this combo since he won't last long to use up so much pp.​

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Bold Nature; 252 HP/ 252 speed/ 6 sp. def
Shadow Ball
Mean Look
Perish Song
Protect
Perishtrapping isn't good without high HP... Protect is for the last turn and is very useful if you want to see what stragety the opponents using. Leftovers is good with protect so you can atleast get a little HP left.​

Politoed @ Leftovers
Bold Nature; 252 sp. atk/252 sp. def/6 HP
Surf
Charm
Toxic
Ice Beam
Politoed I don't care much for but it might take my interest... Toxic over swagger since he doesn't have high defense to take the hits... If you do keep it please switch it out afterwards to steelix... Charm might do some good though over psychic.​

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Scizor @ Life Orb
Careful Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed
X-Scissor
Bullet Punch
Swords Dance
Roost
Life Orb over leftovers, take out aerial ace and put in bullet punch, then X-Scissor is overly powerful over iron head. Keep roost, so when he is juicing up his attack with swords dance, you can heal afterwards.​

Weavile @ Choice Band
Jolly Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit
Ice Shard over Ice punch for pokes like salamence, usually OHKOs 'em, unless it is a bulkymence... But with choice band it can be a killer!​

Steelix @ Life Orb
Careful Nature; 96 HP/ 160 atk/ 252 SpD
Stone Edge
Rock Polish
Earthquake

Explosion
You need more in special defense then defense, since he already has high defense... ​

Changes in bold I couldn't do much with politoed.... Others are fine, little, but fine...

 

[Artemis]

okay after a lot of consideration I feel like I'm starting to get somewhere, but I know work is still needed...So far here is what I have after taking a lot of your suggestions and putting them as one...please tell me what I still need to work on and I'll start working up a plan again...I'm thankful for all your help and I wish for them to keep coming...so, please tell me what you think...

Team in Progress:

Typhlosion @ Wide Lens
Modest Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 sp. def
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (Ice)
Focus Blast
Will-O-Wisp

I really feel like this moveset is really going to help me out a lot...but if you want please feel free to leave your remarks and suggestions...

Politoed @ Leftovers
Calm Nature; 204 sp. atk/ 252 sp. def/ 48 HP
Surf
Psychic
Hidden Power (Grass)
Ice Beam

Politoed I believe is not rubbish and it is capable of doing anything another pokemon can...I would really like to keep Psychic for all poison types as well as fighting types...Ice beam can also affect a lot of other pokemon as well. Surf has great accuracy and Hidden Power (grass) is great other water, rock, ground, etc.

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid Nature; 96 HP/ 160 sp. atk/ 252 speed
Shadow Ball
Mean Look
Perish Song
Charge Beam

Charge beam, a lot of you say to trash it, but I kept looking deeper into this, and I realized that not a single pokemon on this team has electrical moves. Also with Charge Beam's ability to raise my sp. atk I think that gives Mismagius a great advantage for its stats...I took many of your suggestions and decided to go and raise Mismagius EV spread for HP instead of using it for my sp. def.

Scizor @ Life Orb
Careful Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
X-Scissor
Roost
Swords Dance
Aerial Ace

Ah yes, this Scizor a very tricky one to deal with, but I stuck it out with Aerial Ace since bullet punch can't be taught to Scizor in Pokemon Diamond. Also, I went along and decided to go with X-Scissor since many of you suggested that move and decided to boost my speed EV instead so I still have a chance of using Swords Dance and attacking next turn as long as I am faster...oh yeah, and with Technician Aerial Ace's power shall also become stronger too...

Weavile @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

With an easy decision I decided to cut off Ice Punch and go with Ice Shard...I've also kept mostly everything the same with Weavile....

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish Nature; 252 HP/ 252 sp. def/ 6 def
Stone Edge
Toxic
Earthquake
Stealth Rock

I decided to raise Steelix's EV spread in HP and sp. def instead as naturally Steelix comes with great Defence...and I edited two moves and added Toxic and Stealth Rock instead...

 

[boo836]

okay after a lot of consideration I feel like I'm starting to get somewhere, but I know work is still needed...So far here is what I have after taking a lot of your suggestions and putting them as one...please tell me what I still need to work on and I'll start working up a plan again...I'm thankful for all your help and I wish for them to keep coming...so, please tell me what you think...

Team in Progress:

Typhlosion @ Choice scarf
Modest Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 sp. def
Flamethrower
Hidden Power (Ice)
Focus Blast
Eruption

I really feel like this moveset is really going to help me out a lot...but if you want please feel free to leave your remarks and suggestions...

Go scarfruption. With 150 base power and stab, this thing HURTS teams.

Politoed @ Leftovers
Calm Nature; 204 sp. atk/ 252 sp. def/ 48 HP
Surf
Psychic
Hidden Power (Grass)
Ice Beam

Politoed I believe is not rubbish and it is capable of doing anything another pokemon can...I would really like to keep Psychic for all poison types as well as fighting types...Ice beam can also affect a lot of other pokemon as well. Surf has great accuracy and Hidden Power (grass) is great other water, rock, ground, etc.

Psychic still has bad coverage. And with no stab, it isn't really worthy of being used. Infact, just go CM cune or CM rachi.

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid Nature; 96 HP/ 160 sp. atk/ 252 speed
Shadow Ball
Mean Look
Perish Song
Hp [fighting]

Charge beam, a lot of you say to trash it, but I kept looking deeper into this, and I realized that not a single pokemon on this team has electrical moves. Also with Charge Beam's ability to raise my sp. atk I think that gives Mismagius a great advantage for its stats...I took many of your suggestions and decided to go and raise Mismagius EV spread for HP instead of using it for my sp. def.

Missy wants hp fighting, besides, if you are perishtrapping then you have to switch, making those raises useless.

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
X-Scissor
Roost
Swords Dance
Bullet punch

Ah yes, this Scizor a very tricky one to deal with, but I stuck it out with Aerial Ace since bullet punch can't be taught to Scizor in Pokemon Diamond. Also, I went along and decided to go with X-Scissor since many of you suggested that move and decided to boost my speed EV instead so I still have a chance of using Swords Dance and attacking next turn as long as I am faster...oh yeah, and with Technician Aerial Ace's power shall also become stronger too...

Bullet punch here. Stab, priority and technician become big threats. However, careful won't really help you. Adamant boosts your physical moves.

Weavile @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature; 252 atk/ 252 speed/ 6 def
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Brick Break
Pursuit

With an easy decision I decided to cut off Ice Punch and go with Ice Shard...I've also kept mostly everything the same with Weavile....

Fine

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish Nature; 252 HP/ 252 sp. def/ 6 def
Stone Edge
Toxic
Earthquake
Stealth Rock

I decided to raise Steelix's EV spread in HP and sp. def instead as naturally Steelix comes with great Defence...and I edited two moves and added Toxic and Stealth Rock instead...

Relaxed please. I think that Gyro ball would be better than Stone edge.

Seriously Stricken, Fire Blast is an option for typhlosion. Flamethrower is prefered for it's accuracy, which gives it an advantage for what It's for; Stab when you are at lower health. Infact, at low health, Blaze makes Fire Blast STRONGER than Eruption.

 

[Necromancy]

Typhlosion @ Pataya Berry
Modest Nature; 252 sp. atk/ 252 speed/ 6 HP
Flamethrower/ Fire Blast
Substitute
Solarbeam
Sunny Day

If you're going to use the set shadowmightyena suggested, I'd be inclined to use Timid over Modest. Subbing down to low health to activate Petaya Berry is less risky if you run a +Spd nature, plus it lets you get the Substitute in before they attack you more often. Petaya will more than make up for the drop in power from dropping the +SpAtk nature, and Flamethrower is stronger in the sun anyways.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

Will-o-the-Wisp is a subpar move on Typhlosion really, plus sitting at 299 speed isn't something you really want to be doing. You're better of with ScarfPhlo or SubPunchPhlo really, this one is too slow and weak

Politoed is flat out awful at sweeping to be honest. Starmie does that particular set far better, as do Vaporeon and Suicune. You really are best with a staller-toad of a sort of you really want to use it.

Perish Trapping Mismagius still needs much more defence here, if you want to go offensive then CM Mage is the way to go.

I'm not understanding the Careful nature on Scizor on a sweeper set.

Weavile HAS to be Jolly. Not Adamant. Never Adamant.

And Steelix I never had an idea of.

 

[Skip Shot]

I agree with Kid on keeping Charge Beam. Nothing else is going to do hat much to Gyarados, and Gyara has no response to Magius unless it has Bite.

I say Quick Attack>> Something on Scizor, finishes off those kills you barely miss.

Psychic isn't rlly needed on Politoed. I'm guessing this isn't Platinum, so Hypnosis can still do something for Politoed.

Typhlo pretty much covered everythin else.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I agree with Kid on keeping Charge Beam. Nothing else is going to do hat much to Gyarados, and Gyara has no response to Magius unless it has Bite.

....

Your kidding right ? Waterfall OHKO's it and probably everything else on a Gyarados set bar EQ would aswell lol =/.


A better idea would be to replace Politoed with a BETTER bulky water to counter Gyarados with HP Electric

See : - Vaporeon, Suicune, Milotic etc . are all great examples.

 

[Skip Shot]

Politoed coulde be replaceable.

Your kidding right ? Waterfall OHKO's it and probably everything else on a Gyarados set bar EQ would aswell lol =/.

If he uses standard Perishtrapping EVs, Non DD Waterfall with Life Orb doesn't OHKO unless SR is up, and only then a little bit of the time. 80%-94% i think.

Meanwhile, if Gyara comes in with SR up, Magius with same EVs gets a guaranteed 2HKO w/ Charge Beam. 46.99%-55.12%

 

[Dark Azelf]

Politoed coulde be replaceable.



If he uses standard Perishtrapping EVs, Non DD Waterfall with Life Orb doesn't OHKO unless SR is up, and only then a little bit of the time. 80%-94% i think.

Meanwhile, if Gyara comes in with SR up, Magius with same EVs gets a guaranteed 2HKO w/ Charge Beam. 46.99%-55.12%

With SR up thats a OHKO and you cant assume it will have no DD's in. A +1 LO Waterfall will OHKO.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

To avoid confusing the OP, a SE Bite does the exact same amount as a neutral Waterfall.

Politoed I would replace with Vaporeon IMO, it gives this team a reliable Gyara counter and also provides Wish Support.

Team still needs more reliable defence though, Vaporeon doesn't counter a massive amount, and the team is still weak to things like Tyranitar and Salamence.

I would prefer if the OP edited the first post IMO, lets us raters know what advice he's taking.