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Murasaki

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    • Seen Jul 20, 2008
    Lucario @Life Orb
    Nature: Jolly
    Trait: Steadfast
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Extremespeed
    ~ Stone Edge
    ~ Crunch

    My lead. I really hate the accuracy of Stone Edge since it has cost me the match a few times when it does miss... but... I don't think there's anything else I can stick in there that will give me as good type coverage.

    Umbreon @Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed
    Trait: Syncronise
    EVs: 200 HP / 200 Defense / 110 Special Defense

    ~ Toxic
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Baton Pass
    ~ Wish

    Dual wall / Mean Look passer... I haven't had much use for Wish, so I was considering switching it for Moonlight since I prefer instant recovery on Umbreon; I thought Wish would be more useful for the team but it hasn't really helped.

    Azelf @Wise Glasses
    Nature: Timid
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Nasty Plot
    ~ Grass Knot
    ~ Psychic
    ~ Flamethrower

    Standard.

    Luxray @Choice Scarf
    Nature: Jolly
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Spark
    ~ Ice Fang
    ~ Crunch
    ~ Fire Fang

    Not sure what to do with this since Lucario already has Crunch to cover Psychics so I feel a bit silly using it again... replace with Return, maybe? Or I was thinking about swapping Luxray out for another wall or something else, but not sure what I need.

    Togekiss @Metronome
    Nature: Calm
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Special Defense / 4 Defense

    ~ Thunder Wave
    ~ Air Slash
    ~ Roost
    ~ Aura Sphere

    I need to do something about its speed because it's way too slow. Should I change to Timid nature? What EVs should I put in Speed?

    Weezing @Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Speed

    ~ Will - O - Wisp
    ~ Thunderbolt
    ~ ???
    ~ ???

    Not sure on the last two moves, I don't know much about Weezing. I really need someone who Taunts. This thing is replacing my Gliscor because I don't like using Pokemon with 4x weaknesses... and Togekiss already has a weakness to Ice.

    I just noticed that a lot of my EVs are very 252/252/4-ish so I need some help with that too.

    I mostly battle on PBR Wi-Fi.
     
    Wish is a lot better than Moonlight. First off, Moonlight is wrecked by Sandstorm teams, which are extremely common these days. Secondly, Wish can help restore the HP of Pokemon who can't normally restore HP on their own. Baton Pass + Wish + Mean Look is a good combo, the passed Pokemon gets both HP restore and Mean Look.

    Togekiss doesn't need Timid and Speed EVs. If you get your Thunder Wave right, the opponent will have it's speed halved, which is good enough to outrun.
     
    Yeah, that's the reasons why I've kept Wish so far, but I haven't run into any weather teams at all yet... xD

    And Togekiss does need to be faster, because he gets outsped by other Togekiss with the same strategy, and so gets paralyzed first. x-x
     
    Murasaki said:
    Lucario @Life Orb
    Nature: Adamant
    Trait: Steadfast
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Extremespeed
    ~ Stone Edge
    ~ Crunch

    Want Adamant, or you wont OHKO some of the more durable walls with this set.

    Umbreon @Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed
    Trait: Syncronise
    EVs: 200 HP / 200 Defense / 110 Special Defense

    ~ Yawn
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Baton Pass
    ~ Wish

    Yawn, trap pass >> Toxi trap

    Azelf @Wise Glasses
    Nature: Timid
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Special Attack / 216 Speed / 42 HP

    ~ Nasty Plot
    ~ Grass Knot
    ~ Psychic
    ~ Flamethrower

    Less speed and more hp, 252 is redundant on Azelf, 216 is all it needs, to outrun Gengar and infernape, more hp lets you survive a weaviles pursuit if you stay in =)

    Luxray @Choice Scarf
    Nature: Adamant
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Spark
    ~ Ice Fang
    ~ Crunch
    ~ Fire Fang

    Adamant >> Jolly, you already have scarf.

    Togekiss @Metronome
    Nature: Calm
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Special Defense / 4 Defense

    ~ Thunder Wave
    ~ Air Slash
    ~ Roost
    ~ Aura Sphere

    Thing is here, you really dont need speed, Thunderwave grants you all the speed you need. so just leave it like this.


    Weezing @Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Speed

    ~ Will - O - Wisp / Haze
    ~ Thunderbolt
    ~ Flamethrower /Fire Blast
    ~ Pain Split

    Yeah, that.
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    Comments and changes are in bold.

    I can tell you now, Taunt tyranitar rapes you as does Electivire, needs more bulky ground type.
     
    Well, I'm thinking of replacing Luxray with either Swampert or Donphan... though I really don't know anything about them x_x Which would be best?
     
    Well. I can sorta help with Swampert.

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Relaxed Nature
    EV's:240HP/212DEF/58SP.ATK
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Earthquake
    Roar

    That's my Swampert and it's pretty good. I can't think of a better moveset.
     
    First thing I notice is that your team has no good special wall. Umbreon is not a good choice because it doesn't threaten most stuff, and draws stuff like Metagross/Breloom/anything w/ Taunt. Togekiss gets 25% removed off w/ stealth rock in play, and has a BoltBeam weakness.

    Physical Lucario is not a good lead as a lot of stuff will come and wall it first turn, and you can't get enough damage without SD.

    Weezing is not really a good physical wall other than for Fighting-types, as it doesn't have a reliable recovery move and doesn't threaten most stuff sans Gyarados.

    Lucario should not be used as a lead, and it should be moved down with SD > Stone Edge. Adamant > Jolly.

    Vaporeon > Umbreon for Wish since it can't really take hard hits, and TrapPassing is overrated as not much of your team can take Umbreon's counters. Bronzong is also a good option taking care of many physical threats that you have a weakness to.

    Some other hard-hitting physcial sweeper > Luxray. Luxray won't be threatening much stuff with its poor movepool, and a Scarf set is outclassed by other sweepers.

    Parahax Togekiss is cheap =X. Togekiss isn't supposed to be outrunning anything and Thunder Wave will help a lot on spreading paralysis around.

    Hippo/Gliscor over Weezing, as the only things Gliscor is going to be facing with an Ice attack is Mamoswine, and you could easily dedicate another slot to counter it.

    Changes are in bold.
    Murasaki said:
    Lucario @Life Orb
    Nature: Jolly Adamant
    Trait: Steadfast
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Close Combat
    ~ Extremespeed
    ~ Stone Edge Swords Dance
    ~ Crunch

    My lead. I really hate the accuracy of Stone Edge since it has cost me the match a few times when it does miss... but... I don't think there's anything else I can stick in there that will give me as good type coverage.

    Umbreon @Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed
    Trait: Syncronise
    EVs: 200 HP / 200 Defense / 110 Special Defense

    ~ Toxic
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Baton Pass
    ~ Wish

    Vaporeon @Leftovers
    Bold
    188 HP/252 Def/68 SpA

    Wish
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Toxic/Yawn/Hp Electric

    OR

    Bronzong @Leftovers
    Relaxed
    252 HP/152 Atk/8 Def/96 SpD

    Gyro Ball
    Hypnosis
    Stealth Rock
    Earthquake/Reflect/Light Screen
    Azelf @Wise Glasses
    Nature: Timid
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: Go with D-A's suggestion

    ~ Nasty Plot
    ~ Grass Knot
    ~ Psychic
    ~ Flamethrower

    Standard.

    Luxray @Choice Scarf
    Nature: Jolly
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP

    ~ Spark
    ~ Ice Fang
    ~ Crunch
    ~ Fire Fang

    ScarfHeracross/ScarfGarchomp, I'm not really sure what to put in this slot.

    Togekiss @Metronome Leftovers
    Nature: Calm
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Special Defense / 4 Defense

    ~ Thunder Wave
    ~ Air Slash
    ~ Roost
    ~ Aura Sphere

    I need to do something about its speed because it's way too slow. Should I change to Timid nature? What EVs should I put in Speed?

    Weezing @Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Speed

    ~ Will - O - Wisp
    ~ Thunderbolt
    ~ ???
    ~ ???

    Gliscor @Leftovers
    Impish
    Sand Veil
    252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def

    Earthquake
    Roost
    Ice Fang/Aerial Ace/Stone Edge
    Knock Off/Taunt/Stealth Rock

    I mostly battle on PBR Wi-Fi.
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    Really, consider running Tri-attack on Togekiss. Gets STAB, and thanks to it's lovely ability, your opponent is going to get frozen or burned often. This is useless though if you run t-wave on him, but when I ran it on my Togekiss I got atleast two Pokemon to freeze per match. My friend froze my Milotic 4 times in one match lol, so annoying. T-wave is more reliable, but if luck is on your side you're going to have fun.
     
    Darn,. i dont read. I thought Lucario was banded or i would of said put SD on it now. Anyways if your going with physcial Lucario@life Orb, use Swords Dance, its beastly


    Lucario@Life Orb
    6 HP /252 ATT / 252 SPEED
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Swords Dance
    - Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
    - Crunch / Stone Edge / Bullet Punch

    Bullet Punch ohko's gengar and mismagius, should they switch into SR.
     
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