New Generations (III, IV,and V) vs. I and II. Which is better? Why?

[dblanchette93]

The games are wonderful, each and every one of them, but the design has changed a lot, and I am not insulting (Well, I am insulting Genosect. Like, WTF? xD) Gamefreak, they are an amazing company... But their ideas for Pokemon design are running out, by the looks of it.

 

[Oryx]

Most frustrating part of the original generation for me:

Persian the Pokemon:

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Persian the cat:

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Dwebble, CubeCrab, Swanna, and the ugly duckling really don't have a strong resemblance with their real-life counterparts either.

I have to strongly disagree with some of these. Dwebble:

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Swanna:

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Ducklett:

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Can't find an image of a blue duck, so imagine it blue.

I don't understand how you can argue some of those. Ducklett, not looking like a duck?

Also, Pidove. Pidove is almost an exact replica of a pigeon. Pidgey, named after the idea of a pigeon, looks almost nothing like one. Not sure what you're getting at there. It should be called something related to a sparrow, because it's sure not a pigeon.

 

[Kirbychu]

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I have to strongly disagree with some of these. Dwebble:

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Swanna:

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Ducklett:

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Can't find an image of a blue duck, so imagine it blue.

I don't understand how you can argue some of those. Ducklett, not looking like a duck?

Also, Pidove. Pidove is almost an exact replica of a pigeon. Pidgey, named after the idea of a pigeon, looks almost nothing like one. Not sure what you're getting at there. It should be called something related to a sparrow, because it's sure not a pigeon.

Game Freak has no say in what the english names are, so that's irrelevant. My argument is that the newer Pokemon are more stylized and cartoony. The older Pokemon strongly resembled real animals, while the newer ones are more stylized.

 

[Oryx]

Game Freak has no say in what the english names are, so that's irrelevant. My argument is that the newer Pokemon are more stylized and cartoony. The older Pokemon looked strongly resembled real animals, while the newer ones are heavily stylized.

Way to be super srs and ignore my Persian joke. o_O

I still feel like they strongly resemble real animals (I highly doubt anyone will look at Pidove and not see that it's a pigeon, or Ducklett and say it's not a duck), just slightly more cartoonish. So I can agree with you that they're more cartoony, but not that they "don't have a strong resemblance with their real-life counterparts". If you're questioning whether or not Ducklett resembles a duck, I would be more likely to question your definition of duck than the design of the Pokemon.

 

[Kirbychu]

Way to be super srs and ignore my Persian joke. o_O

I still feel like they strongly resemble real animals (I highly doubt anyone will look at Pidove and not see that it's a pigeon, or Ducklett and say it's not a duck), just slightly more cartoonish. So I can agree with you that they're more cartoony, but not that they "don't have a strong resemblance with their real-life counterparts". If you're questioning whether or not Ducklett resembles a duck, I would be more likely to question your definition of duck than the design of the Pokemon.

This is some very serious business, sir. I expect you to be posting with a serious demeanor.

The way I see it, older Pokemon are somewhat cartoony animals with magic powers. On the other hand, newer Pokemon are very cartoony animals with magic powers and more extra features. Yeah, it's fairly easy to tell what each of those Pokemon is based off of (Except Minccino, I would've never guessed that it was a Chinchilla), but they have a lot of features added to them.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

Pokemon

Alright first off a little introduction. This is my very first post so please bear with me! I grew up with Pokemon. I played and have Blue, Red,Yellow, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Ruby, and Emerald. I also was a big fan of the show, for awhile....

My point in making this thread is to ask the communities opinion about whether or not you think these "new" Pokemon are lame. To me, the best Pokemon are the FIRST GENERATION. When I think of Pokemon those are the ones I think about. In all honestly I can stand the SECOND GENERATION Pokemon aswell. I really like the addition of the Legendary Beasts, and of Lugia and Ho-oh. As time moves on it seems like the Company is pushing further and further away from the originals, the same ones that caught our interests. I feel sad for the people raised in this "new" generation Pokemon. My friend recently bought Pokemon Black. He showed me some of the new Pokemon and my draw dropped. There is a Pokemon modeled after Vanilla Ice Cream. Really? As he continues to show me these Pokemon I just feel sick... THESE ARE NOT POKEMON!

So how do you guys/gals feel? Do you think that they should have stayed with the FIRST AND SECOND GENERATION Pokemon or do you like the new ones. I would love to hear all of the opinions.

This may seem a little bold/brash for a first post, and Im sorry if I offended anyone. Im just trying to get some Info.

Thanks!
-PokeGuy2232

 

[Sylveon]

Hi there, yes alot of the new generation pokemon are not well thought up at all. But you have to see it from the game developers point of view, things can't stay the same forever and to make money they gotta create new things.

I personally enjoy Pokemon White/Black.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

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I understand where your coming from. Your Devs side of the argument, but it seems that they have pushed too many Pokemon too fast, and with out good, thought up ideas. (Even though there are some good ones, but the majority is embarrassing) They could have taken the time, but they didnt. And I think in the long run it may hurt them.

 

[ᶰᵒᶥʳ]

I was starting to get disappointed with how the designs were going. I hated what they did with magmortar and tangrowth. When I saw probopass, I was just sad.

I do think it's crazy they have a pokemon that looks like ice cream, but in this current generation, I DID start to think they were going back to the way they made the first gen.

This being said, one should step back and consider the old generations, too.
Alright, vanillite? wtf were they thinking making food? Wait... they did already: farfetch'd.
It's a wild duck that's been based off of a tale where a duck with a leek offers itself to be eaten.

Most of us are going to be biased toward the originals. They drew us in, it's going to take a LOT to impress us like that again. It's a tall order to try to keep up, I think. The older we get, the more aware we are and the more we can nitpick.

What would you say if they only introduced lickitung now? It'd be bizarre, even obscene.
Hitmonchan is silly with its little outfit and machamp's wearing a belt - a human invention.

In comparison to previous versions, I think they've done pretty well. Aside from the pokemon, I'm impressed and love some of the new moves and abilities.

 

[Perriechu]

Once again another nostalgic person puts their view's through the wrong way...

I'm sick of people moaning about the new Pokemon, IMO Most of these Pokemon are amazing and most people have learned to accept them, now I'm not saying First and Second generation Pokemon designs are crap because there not; far from it; there amazing, but every generation has there good and bad Pokemon designs, such as First Generation has something like Charizard with a great design, then there's Grimer who's basically just waste and such, or Voltorb and Electrode who are just Pokeballs with faces, you tell me that's original? Then Fifth Generation has awesome designs such as Snivy's family and Scrappy's family, but then you look at one like Druddigon (Or what ever it's called) who's the fugliest dragon ever, when people say "They don't look like Pokemon" it annoy's me the most, because what are Pokemon supposed to look like? True some are based of animals, but others are based of Myths' and Legends which there are many to make Pokemon from.

tl;dr Stop moaning.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

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This being said, one should step back and consider the old generations, too.
Alright, vanillite? wtf were they thinking making food? Wait... they did already: farfetch'd.
It's a wild duck that's been based off of a tale where a duck with a leek offers itself to be eaten.

True, but I think there is a difference when a Pokemon is based on a duck, and an Ice Cream cone. It just seems more childish. Its kind of hard to explain by text, and it may seem hypocritical, but Im having hard time wording it. If anyone could better word feel free to.

Once again another nostalgic person puts their view's through the wrong way...

I'm sick of people moaning about the new Pokemon, IMO Most of these Pokemon are amazing and most people have learned to accept them, now I'm not saying First and Second generation Pokemon designs are crap because there not; far from it; there amazing, but every generation has there good and bad Pokemon designs, such as First Generation has something like Charizard with a great design, then there's Grimer who's basically just waste and such, or Voltorb and Electrode who are just Pokeballs with faces, you tell me that's original? Then Fifth Generation has awesome designs such as Snivy's family and Scrappy's family, but then you look at one like Druddigon (Or what ever it's called) who's the fugliest dragon ever, when people say "They don't look like Pokemon" it annoy's me the most, because what are Pokemon supposed to look like? True some are based of animals, but others are based of Myths' and Legends which there are many to make Pokemon from.

tl;dr Stop moaning.

Wow, ever heard of an opinion? Its something everyone has and its their right to express it. Now if you dont agree with the opinion, by all means feel free to object, in a mature manner. Are you a regular troll or are you normally OK?

Anyways moving on to your other points: The Generation One-Two Pokemon have a better ratio of good to bad Pokemon than any of the other Generations. "What are Pokemon supposed to look like?" When do they draw the line? Will every object in our World eventually be turned into a Pokemon, along with the poorly drawn ones? Everything has an end, eventually new Pokemon will become so ridiculous that sales will start to drop, you cant prevent it.

 

[ᶰᵒᶥʳ]

The difference is absolutely personal opinion and you grew up.
Honestly? A duck brandishing a leek is kinda silly and childish to me. Other people would say an electric rodent that can only say its name, a bee with drills for hands, a balloon that sings, or amorphous blobs that can become anything is childish. Of course it is. That's part of what makes it enjoyable.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

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Maybe childish was the wrong word. An Ice Cream Cone though? Really? Where will the line be drawn?

 

[Perriechu]

Wow, ever heard of an opinion? Its something everyone has and its their right to express it. Now if you dont agree with the opinion, by all means feel free to object, in a mature manner. Are you a regular troll or are you normally OK?

Anyways moving on to your other points: The Generation One-Two Pokemon have a better ratio of good to bad Pokemon than any of the other Generations. "What are Pokemon supposed to look like?" When do they draw the line? Will every object in our World eventually be turned into a Pokemon, along with the poorly drawn ones? Everything has an end, eventually new Pokemon will become so ridiculous that sales will start to drop, you cant prevent it.

Yeah I have heard of an opinion, but your going the wrong way about it for a reason

This thread isn't really the place for this and will probably be closed for being a flame-fest.

The opinion your trying to put across is that the new Pokemon are mostly ridiculous in image, my opinion is saying that they are great, simple as that, IMO. Yes I know that in the next generation that there will be more ridiculous designs, yes we'll probably get a Table Pokemon next generation sales may drop sales may rise who knows, certainly not you.

 

[imevil]

I like alot of the new pokemon. Tangrowth and Licklicky are the only two pokemon i ever hated. Why did Tagela and Lickitung even need to evolve in the first place.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

Yeah I have heard of an opinion, but your going the wrong way about it for a reason

This thread isn't really the place for this and will probably be closed for being a flame-fest.

The opinion your trying to put across is that the new Pokemon are mostly ridiculous in image, my opinion is saying that they are great, simple as that, IMO. Yes I know that in the next generation that there will be more ridiculous designs, yes we'll probably get a Table Pokemon next generation sales may drop sales may rise who knows, certainly not you.

I started this thread to post my opinion and to get further opinions about the topic. I have not/will not start a flam-fest. I just want to know what the majority of people feel. This thread should not be locked/deleted, and if it is then I will be moving on to find another forum.

Once again you are mislead. While I do believe that the quality of Pokemon is decreasing I respect the views of others, my questions is: When will end before it becomes too ridiculous?

And the beauty about Economics, and products, is that there is a pattern, and that pattern ends when the product "dies"

 

[ᶰᵒᶥʳ]

I had the same issue at first glance, but when you think about it, why should this be shocking? They've drawn from mythology, plants, animals, technology, food, and even aliens. Who should say it's taboo to make an ice cream cone but it's pretty cool to have a carnivorous plant or manifestation of toxins?
While you might take issue with ice cream, another person might have the same hang up on ghosts because they don't believe in them at all - the very concept of it would be goofy. What about blissey? It has an egg that makes people happy. That sounds like childish imagination. All you have to do is take a bite and you won't be angry or mean or sad anymore! And if you can't sleep, this cuddly and plush thing (that's also adorable) will simple sing you to sleep.

All I'm saying is, it's going to be impossible to please everyone. Of course there are going to be times where they disappoint. Like I said before, I do see them picking it back up and moving back in a better direction. You're not wrong for being displeased or thinking low of whatever comes out, but it doesn't spell doom. To move forward and be original, you've got to take risks. ...Sometimes these chances don't work out well at all but you learn.

 

[PokeGuy2232]

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I had the same issue at first glance, but when you think about it, why should this be shocking? They've drawn from mythology, plants, animals, technology, food, and even aliens. Who should say it's taboo to make an ice cream cone but it's pretty cool to have a carnivorous plant or manifestation of toxins?
While you might take issue with ice cream, another person might have the same hang up on ghosts because they don't believe in them at all - the very concept of it would be goofy. What about blissey? It has an egg that makes people happy. That sounds like childish imagination. All you have to do is take a bite and you won't be angry or mean or sad anymore! And if you can't sleep, this cuddly and plush thing (that's also adorable) will simple sing you to sleep.

All I'm saying is, it's going to be impossible to please everyone. Of course there are going to be times where they disappoint. Like I said before, I do see them picking it back up and moving back in a better direction. You're not wrong for being displeased or thinking low of whatever comes out, but it doesn't spell doom. To move forward and be original, you've got to take risks. ...Sometimes these chances don't work out well at all but you learn.

I hope you dont take me as a person who has never played/seen these new Pokemon and that I just blindly post. Just thought I would let the people know that I am not a troll and im not trying to cause Forum Unrest. I have played and seen all Generations of Pokemon!

Yes, I agree. It will always be impossible to please everyone. It will be interesting though, from a Business perceptive, to see how/what Pokemon CO. will do in the future, regarding these issues.

Okay, okay. So let's just say we aren't going by newer, but rather by what most refer to Generation III as... Now, I do not wish for my opinion to be respected, nor valid, and I'm not some crazed dude trying to bash on Generation V, (Although, I kind of am, in a sense. Sorry...) and trying to defend it because it is "classic". No, I defend the Generation I because the design is simplistic, yet... Beautiful, imaginative. While Generation V is indeed imaginative, I believe they brought imagination a bit too far. Personal opinion. I really enjoy FireRed and LeafGreen, they bring back good memories, while introducing a few new features. Charizard will always be the coolest Pokemon, in my opinion. Not my favorite Pokemon, but definitely the coolest. He is just so original, with a huge personality on the anime. So I in no way am trying to be a crazed fan boy, just stating a personal opinion.

Im glad that I decided to read through the thread that my thread got merged into. I feel nearly exactly as you.

 

[Oryx]

I'm a huge fan of the movement towards other inspirations for Pokemon. I often feel like if the Black and White generation had been released first, and the original last, Pokemon such as Lickitung (obscene), Tangela (an anthropomorphic tangle?), Ditto (they're really running out of ideas here, it doesn't even have its own shape), Grimer/Muk (just a pile of sludge, how uncreative), and Diglett/Dugtrio/Magnemite/Magneton (do we really need two combination Pokemon in a generation?) would be criticized into the ground. Not to mention the fact that a large amount of the Pokemon's evolutions are very nearly just bigger versions of themselves.

dblanchette's argument was much more solid, sorry :/

 

[dblanchette93]

I started this thread to post my opinion and to get further opinions about the topic. I have not/will not start a flam-fest. I just want to know what the majority of people feel. This thread should not be locked/deleted, and if it is then I will be moving on to find another forum.

Once again you are mislead. While I do believe that the quality of Pokemon is decreasing I respect the views of others, my questions is: When will end before it becomes too ridiculous?

And the beauty about Economics, and products, is that there is a pattern, and that pattern ends when the product "dies"

You didn't start this thread. -_-