New Life Found!

I honestly don't care too much. As long as it isn't dangerous, who cares? I mean, its cool that it's a totally new life form, but other than that...oh well. Good for NASA
 
What I meant is that the accepted (not necessarily correct) scientific view is that life needs earth-like conditions to exist, and this little bacterium here has a different genetic structure (the Arsenic, which was previously only theorized) compared to other organisms, and it developed in a different way than what we are accustomed to. I'm convinced their is other life in the universe somewhere, and this backs up my belief, that our fantastically large universe can develop life in ways we aren't yet familiar with.
but all i did in my post was point out why this wasn't a big deal. i never questioned your beliefs, only your irrational excitement in my opinion. i find it hard to believe what you say however, when between the few posts you've made in this thread you're already contradicting yourself. ie;

Having Arsenic interwoven into the DNA structure was widely considered to be impossible before this
the Arsenic, which was previously only theorized
on one hand you're telling me it was widely considered to be impossible for arsenic to contribute to life, and on the other you're saying it was previously theorized. which is it?
 
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Quite Very cool really. It will help convince those that think all life in the universe(s) are like us otherwise, if nothing else.
Thinking about it, should it really be classed as a bacterium? [S-HIGHLIGHT]Surely, seeing as it couldn't be further away from other bacteria (and eathlings in general for that matter) in terms of genetics and, in turn, the way it works (presumably), it should be in it's own arsenic-based kingdom.[/S-HIGHLIGHT]

I too am ready. A facebook quiz told me I would survive the zombie apocalypse.

Genetic structure (ie. that it is built from arsenic) does not necessarily dictate how the organism grows, lives and works in general. If it works like other bacteria, it will be called a bacterium.
 
Next time I hear someone mention a zombie apocalypse, I will rip their privates off.

Anyways, interesting discovery. Hooray for science! =3
 
Where it says "made of arsenic" is it literally an arsenic-based life form (unlike all other carbonic life on earth) or does it just have arsenic as part of its DNA? If it's the former, then holy guacamole. If it's just the latter...still, wow. :D

It's the latter. And more specifically, the GFAJ-1 bacteria uses arsenic in the absence of phosphorus in its DNA.

I think this could lead to discovery of life on Europa, if any such life exists.
 
This discovery is blown out of proportion, this only proves that life can exist by substituting a chemical with another... that is chemically the same. arsenic is right below phosphorus on the periodic table plus they are in the same group.
i'm a nerd since i know this without looking it up
 
Wow..... but it's not alien. You had me all ready and excited for the truth about what's out there to be revealed. It's not an alien, so although I have read that this whole "Life with arsenic" stuff is new and incredible, it means that it's possible, and should now be being taught in schools. ;)

I am rushing it a bit but it's the whole truth and it's not amazing: it's the wonder of life!

How cheesy.
 
To make this even less impressive...
What this group was looking for were hypothetical organisms that have learned to use arsenic instead of phosphorus. There are environments that are much richer in arsenic (and its corresponding arsenate salts) than they are in phosphorus. And arsenic is right under phosphorus in the periodic table, and forms similar sorts of compounds (albeit with rather different behavior), so. . .maybe it could substitute? Well, they didn't find any native arsenic-users - but they did force some into existence. They took a strain of bacteria from such an environment (Mono Lake sediments) and starved it of phosphate while providing it plenty of arsenate. The colonies that grew under these conditions were picked out and grown under even higher arsenate concentrations, and the process was continued stage after stage.
pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/12/02/life_with_arsenic_whod_have_thought.php

I wish I could look at the actual paper in Science that the blogger links, but you have to be a subscriber to see more than the abstract.
 
To make this even less impressive...
pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/12/02/life_with_arsenic_whod_have_thought.php

I wish I could look at the actual paper in Science that the blogger links, but you have to be a subscriber to see more than the abstract.

Based on the tone of the article, it seems to suggest that it is a pretty important development, from the next few sentence in that quote:

The end result appears to be bacteria that have incorporated arsenate into their metabolism. They still have phosphate in them, but not enough to keep everything running on a phosphate basis. Some parts have switched over to arsenate, without gumming up the works completely. That surprises me quite a bit - I really wouldn't have thought that things could be pushed that far. After all, in higher organisms, it's that arsenate-for-phosphate switch that's responsible for arsenic's reputation as a poison. Eventually, some key enzyme systems can't handle the switch and cease to function.
But not in these bacteria. They look different and grow more slowly than their phosphate-saturated brethren, and they'd clearly like ditch the arsenic at the first opportunity (add phosphate and they start growing more vigorously). But they're getting by, presumably with just enough phosphate to hold things together. (Have they hit the wall, one wonders?) A number of physical methods all point in the same direction, to arsenate being incorporated into their biomolecules. We still don't know where most of it goes, or how the various phosphate-manipulating enzymes manage to still work, but working out those details will keep a lot of people busy for quite a while. Personally, I'd love to see some X-ray structures of aresenate-containing proteins or nucleic acids, and I'm sure that the people who reported this are trying to get some.
So what does this mean? Well, you can apparently bend the most basic chemistry of life as we know it quite a bit before it breaks. As I said, I really would not have thought that this could be possible - we're all going to have to keep rather more open minds about what biochemical systems can handle. This makes the arsenic-from-the-ground-up idea look a lot more plausible, too, and you can be sure that the search for such organisms (using arsenate naturally, without having to be forced in the lab) will intensify.

Even if it was artificially created, that doesn't change the fact that they succeed in doing so, since it was considered impossible.
 
Oh yes, it's certainly a feat, but nowhere near as impressive as finding actual alien life, which was initially implied.
 
Oh yes, it's certainly a feat, but nowhere near as impressive as finding actual alien life, which was initially implied.

That's certainly true, but the nature of the discovery helps in that department, I think. It means that life isn't as fragile or as limited as we think, which gives the argument for the existance of extraterrestrials more credence.
 
i suppose.. but if this is man made the chances of it occurring naturally are reduced. this keeps getting less spectacular the more we look into it.
 
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