[New Netbattle Team]

[Spike Razzor]

I spent alot of time trying to adapt to R/S Netbattle since V0.9.3 came out. It took a while, and testing alot of Pokemon, but I finally found a team that works. I wanna get some suggestion and whatnot.

Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 77 HP / 196 Spd / 170 SAtk / 67 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Thunder
- Water Spout
Omg! An 00ber! But seriously, this Kyogre was set up to do as much damage in one shot as possible, and set up Rain Dance for my Kingdra. I use it to knock out annoying Pokemon that my team can't do on its own, such as Blissey. And it deals with other legends aswell, it lacks physical Def, so I keep it away from stuff with high Atk.

Ariados (F) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Insomnia
EVs: 85 HP / 255 Atk / 85 Def / 85 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Night Shade
- Signal Beam
- Sludge Bomb
Alot of people seem to have teams with Pokemon like Smeargle, Breelom and sometimes Jumpluff. There Spore/Sleep Poweder get annoying, especially when you jump into battle a battle with no Sleep Clause. Ariados garantees they don't put anything to sleep and just get knock out fast.

Magneton @ Magnet
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 255 Spd / 255 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Lock-On
- Metal Sound
- Supersonic
- Thunder
I added Magneton about 2 days ago, I wanted to fully take advantage of Rain Dance and OHKO the OU Skarmory. I really need some help with it because its moves are so limited. I maxed out its Speed and Sp.Atk, and dropped everything esle, since its already very poor.

Kingdra (F) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 79 HP / 54 Def / 105 Spd / 193 SAtk / 79 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf
Like Magneton, Kingdra takes full advantage of the free Rain Dance. The moves are pretty basic, and I gave it a Petaya Berry to get a boost as it about to faint. It sweeps alot of Pokemon and KO's other dragons or D-Dancers before they can start to power up.

Exeggutor (F) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 85 HP / 77 Def / 184 SAtk / 164 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Explosion
- Giga Drain
- Psychic
- Stun Spore
Since I had Kyogre I didn't bother trying the Sunny Beam + HP Fire Exeggutor. People seem to thing its a good combo, but stuff Like Typlosion and Houndoom will literally destroy it with one attack. So I decided to run a Stab type Exeggutor. Quick Claw is optional, I only gave it that because it was so slow. Explosion is there to trick Blissey users into thinking its all Sp.Atk's, or to whipe out annoyers.

Steelix (F) @ Quick Claw
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 85 HP / 255 Atk / 79 Def / 91 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Roar
- Rock Slide
This Steelix is pretty basic. Uses to send Ninjask packing or any other physical status boosters, I gave it Quick Claw to add a bit of luck when I'm using it. It doesn't always work, but it pays off when it does. I can also use Steelix to knock out stuff like Metagross or Tyranitar, since its Atk + Stab rips off atleast 60 - 75% of there HP.

 

[Frostweaver]

Kyogre- can do a LOT better than that... =/

Kyogre- [speed + / atk -] @ lum berry
EV: all in speed and sp.atk
-water spout/hydro/surf
-thunder
-ice beam
-HP Grass

HP Grass is extremely important on Kyogre, as it's the last hope against Quagsire, Swampert and Lanturn. Calm mind is actually quite useless for Kyogre, as calm mind wastes slots and gives the opponent time to knock down Kyogre's hp to weaken water spout (and also make it easy for the incoming dactyl to finish you off). This moveset can naturally sweep at anything whos name is not Shedinja.

Ariados- fair enough... but i'll shift the sp.def into hp and def in order to survive Breloom's HP Ghost.

Magneton- you should know by now that 1.1 boosters are forbidden like this...

Magneton- [sp.atk or speed + / atk -] @ lum berry/quick claw
EV: sp.atk and speed, OR sp.atk, hp, def
-Thunder
-HP Water/special
-thunder wave
-metal sound/reflect

Thunder wave to help out Eggy, Ariados and Steelix. Metal sound or reflect is up to you, but really metal sound is rather useless unless you're against Blissey (who else will stand still to take an incoming thunder after getting sounded?).

Kingdra- change item to chesto, along with changing EVs to have it on exactly 197 speed, max sp.atk and the rest in defense. Now transfer everything directly onto Omastar for a much better 380 sp.atk.

Exeggutor- fair enough I guess, though I'll take out something for HP Water. EVs can be reworked imho

Steelix- more def and hp instead of sp.def imho, and Metagross will most likely knock out Steelix first without quick claw being lucky, for your information. Metagross can also do a heavy 55% damage, aka 2HKO with earthquake.


Watch out for the *heavy* Ludicolo weakness...

 

[Spike Razzor]

*Edits team* I'm gonna run some test, and see how it works. Hehe, so far no one has faced me with Metagross head to head has KOed Steelix, mainly because people want to balace it off, so it has some Sp.Def for surfers. A maxed out one can, its just that no one uses it O.o.

 

[Frostweaver]

lol... I did use a Metagross with no sp.def and added in def/hp ^_^;; that was a lot time ago though.

The main thing is still the Ludicolo weakness. It alone can quite possibly sweep the *entire* team besides Kyogre.

 

[Spike Razzor]

lol... I did use a Metagross with no sp.def and added in def/hp ^_^;; that was a lot time ago though.

The main thing is still the Ludicolo weakness. It alone can quite possibly sweep the *entire* team besides Kyogre.

Heh heh heh. Star owns, tanks way better than Kingdra @.@. CM on Kyogre for one and a half reason only. Stall with Wobbufet, and to get enough Sp.Atk on Kyogre to 2 Hit KO on Ludicolo. Ariados cold take him on if it was stunned, but I like to have a back-up and not depend on 1 thing.

 

[Frostweaver]

If Wobbuffet is out to get you and Kyogre, calm mind won't do much. You'll get encored, and then Wobbuffet will switch out for physical sweepers to score as much hp damage as possible. Or they'll just flip out Swampert, Quagsire, Ludicolo or Lanturn. But if you mean that you're the one using Wobby... who are you taking out? o.o;

Swampert and Quagsire is a lot easier to handle, as they're just normal against ice beam/water spout. Lanturn with your current set will mess you over, but if you got HP Grass (unexpected by many) it'll be fine. But Ludicolo will win either way. It gets swift swim so it'll start off with leech seed. Thunder cannot possibly OHKO in just 2 calm mind, and giga+seed+leftovers heal a LOT. Leech seed will eventually force your Kyogre to abandon the CM to run x_x;

Either way, Ludicolo gets swift swim as well, and giga drain + surf + ice beam will destroy a vast majority of your team.

 

[Spike Razzor]

If Wobbuffet is out to get you and Kyogre, calm mind won't do much. You'll get encored, and then Wobbuffet will switch out for physical sweepers to score as much hp damage as possible. Or they'll just flip out Swampert, Quagsire, Ludicolo or Lanturn. But if you mean that you're the one using Wobby... who are you taking out? o.o;

Swampert and Quagsire is a lot easier to handle, as they're just normal against ice beam/water spout. Lanturn with your current set will mess you over, but if you got HP Grass (unexpected by many) it'll be fine. But Ludicolo will win either way. It gets swift swim so it'll start off with leech seed. Thunder cannot possibly OHKO in just 2 calm mind, and giga+seed+leftovers heal a LOT. Leech seed will eventually force your Kyogre to abandon the CM to run x_x;

Either way, Ludicolo gets swift swim as well, and giga drain + surf + ice beam will destroy a vast majority of your team.

Wobbu does 2 things to Kyogre. Encore, or Mirror Coat. I CM, it can Encore, but I could switch. It can Mirror Coat, but nothing happens if I don't do damage. Then I just kill it with Spout and further tank.

You also mad a huge, huge mistake. Everyone I know who uses Ludicolo has Rain Dish, not Swim Fast. So I pwn it with no trouble, unless I'm dying already =P. So it CM, Leech, 2 hits from Thunder and its pwnt. And Launturn/ Quaggy are its main porblems, Swampert lacks speed and Sp.Def high enough to survive a full powered Spout.

 

[Mana Lugia]

U can NEVER switch against a wobbuffet...

And the rain dish Ludi was a long time ago, People have realized the values of Swift swim, and Ludicolos now usually have Swift swim instead.

 

[Frostweaver]

And Mana Lugia said it all =)

It's only PC that's still a few months behind in terms of common movesets for the dancing mexican. Only in PC do you find Ludicolos with toxic and protect, or using rain dance for non-sweeping reasons. In fact, most Ludicolo sweeps very well and sometimes doesn't even bother with the old "must use leech seed to lead off" strategy.

Common Ludicolo- [sp.atk, def or sp.def + / atk -] @ leftovers {Swift Swim}
EV: hp, sp.atk, sp.def (possibly def as well)
-surf/protect
-ice beam
-giga drain
-leech seed/rain dance

Works quite nicely together with Omastar, Kyubar, and fellow swimmers excluding Luvdisc and Magikarp for a RD-Team.

 

[Kairi]

If it helps PC frosty, I used a SS Ludicolo the very first time I used a Ludicolo. And the last, but still. XP

 

[Spike Razzor]

Wobbufets only use is to force you to attack it. If It Encores me while CMing what will it do? Switch, Dactyl comes out. Kyogre escapes and I can bring out something to destroy it (Good old Omistar). I though you guys atleast could understand that...

This is the type of Ludicolo I see lots of all day on Netbattle. There so annoying when they Seed, Toxic and stall with Protect. Then theres ones with Rain Dance that get atleast 40HP back every turn ;_;... You guys can some look for yourselves if you want =\.

[sp.atk, def or sp.def + / atk -] @ leftovers {Rain Dish}
EV: hp, sp.atk, sp.def
-Toxic
-Leech Seed
-Protect/Raindance
-Surf/Ice Beam/Giga Drain

Mana, did you stop playing Netbattle? Some people say they missed you lastnite =(.

 

[Mana Lugia]

Dactyl switches in, you switch to star, eats a STAB'd CB rock slide, it switches out to Ludicolo, then what? Btw, you dont have an Omastar in your team O_o

Anyways, that may be the popular set, but the popular isn't the best, and if you go up against the best, the first thing they'd do is bash you for using ubers, and then proceed to take down your team with their own standards :X

*CALM MIND CUNE HAS NO WEAK !!!111oneoneone O_o

Anyways, uh, I don't go on NB as often anymore, not a lot of time for it =/

 

[Spike Razzor]

Dactyl switches in, you switch to star, eats a STAB'd CB rock slide, it switches out to Ludicolo, then what? Btw, you dont have an Omastar in your team O_o

Anyways, that may be the popular set, but the popular isn't the best, and if you go up against the best, the first thing they'd do is bash you for using ubers, and then proceed to take down your team with their own standards :X

*CALM MIND CUNE HAS NO WEAK !!!111oneoneone O_o

Anyways, uh, I don't go on NB as often anymore, not a lot of time for it =/

Anyone using Dactyl goes straight for a quick, Rock Head Double Edge (Its pressure trait is usless, seeing how low its Def/Sp.Def is.). So infact, Star takes crap damage. Ludicolo comes back out. You forget I can switch out anytime. And if you read my posts, you would of known I added Omastar that same day.

No one bashes me for using a 00ber, most think its weak cause if has Spout rather than the popular Surf. Seeing how my Kyogre can't do more than 8 rounds, stuff with speed and decent attack like Crowbat can take off half of its HP. Thats why I had ChestoRest, so I could knock it out and boost up Spout.

People sersiously miss you on Netbattle, and some even claim they could 6 - 0 sweep you O.O;;. Alot of things are being said.

 

[Frostweaver]

who the heck used double edge whenever the change... double edge never leads off and is only the last resource move. Always lead off with earthquake as it has the highest chance of striking SE. I haven't even seen Aerodactyl using double edge for a very long time, and I personally found that using taunt or substitute as the last slot is by far a lot better than double edge...

Right, and on the turn you switch out star you get blasted by giga drain... you can say that you can switch to Ariados for /4 effect, but then swift swim surf OHKO the poor bug. It's a must-win situation for Ludicolo.

When did netbattle got *that* stupid to think that spout is worst than surf? O.o; From day 5 when RS came out, water spout is stuck on Kyubars already as a staple. Good old days on gamefaqs forum when everyone was panicking at the super spout ubar orca.

Crobat have no way in living daylights do 50% damage to Kyubar in one sludge bomb... maybe with choice band. Same goes for Aerodactyl, Alakazam and friends. Gengar and Jolteon are the only common ones who can do that much damage and is faster than base 100 speed too.

No one ever bashes anyone using ubars in front of you. They wont' badmouth you either. By seeing that you have an ubar on your team, the bash/flame/insult is applied already. =)

 

[Spike Razzor]

who the heck used double edge whenever the change... double edge never leads off and is only the last resource move. Always lead off with earthquake as it has the highest chance of striking SE. I haven't even seen Aerodactyl using double edge for a very long time, and I personally found that using taunt or substitute as the last slot is by far a lot better than double edge...
XD! How long has it been since you came onto Netbattle? lol! Everyone, not talking 8/10, everyone uses Double Edge on Dactyl. Whenever it comes out I switch and guess what it does, thats right Double Edge. No one starts off with Slide/Quake, because anyone with sense knows some Grass Pokemon is coming out to defend against it, Double Edge edge does way more damage on something like Sceptile or Exeggutor and has higher base power than any of its moves.

Right, and on the turn you switch out star you get blasted by giga drain... you can say that you can switch to Ariados for /4 effect, but then swift swim surf OHKO the poor bug. It's a must-win situation for Ludicolo.
Since you probably decided not to take my word for it, come online and look for people with Ludicolo using Giga Drain, let alone a Ludicolo itself alone.

When did netbattle got *that* stupid to think that spout is worst than surf? O.o; From day 5 when RS came out, water spout is stuck on Kyubars already as a staple. Good old days on gamefaqs forum when everyone was panicking at the super spout ubar orca.
Like someone (was it you) said before, moves like Fire-Blast, Hydro Pump, or Blizzard are only used if its a definate OHKO or serious damage. And theres something called, legends and Duskull that can drain it fast. Like I said before, the only reason I use Water Spout is to whipe out legends and annoyers.

Crobat have no way in living daylights do 50% damage to Kyubar in one sludge bomb... maybe with choice band. Same goes for Aerodactyl, Alakazam and friends. Gengar and Jolteon are the only common ones who can do that much damage and is faster than base 100 speed too.
Remember, my Kyogre's Def is reduced, so Sludge Bomb does rip off 45 - 50% of its HP. If you want, you can test it out on mine if you want, or watch me battle someone with Crowbat/Dactyl.

No one ever bashes anyone using ubars in front of you. They wont' badmouth you either. By seeing that you have an ubar on your team, the bash/flame/insult is applied already. =)
=P, w/e...

 

[Mana Lugia]

Frosty, the standard for Bat and Dactyl are ALWAYS going to be their Choice band sets.

-> I think Dactyl does better with Rock slide/EQ, since DE has the most chance of being NVE and DNA on enemies, and Rock slide's 112.5 power isn't _that_ much worse than 120. You can still 2HKO a **** of a lot of things with RS.

-> Grass takes 1x from Rock slide. Rock slide also has a dandy flinch rate if you don't switch and just keep sliding.

-> Why ppl don't DE with Aero: Skarmory says hi.

-> Kyogre does take a lot of damage physically from Crobat and the likes (easily over 50% with Choice band), but personally, why go for the chestosprout when you can just thunder it down in 1 hit?

-> It's all good that ppl miss me, and I'd bet they prolly CAN beat me 6-0 easily, but you realize none of those ppl use ubers 8)

 

[Frostweaver]

Crobat possibly, but not sure about Aerodactyls as I've seen quite a few using more than just continous usage of one move. But whatever the item is, there is no double edge because of Gengar as well. And Skarmory screws Aero regardless of move anyway =p (rock slide is indeed x1 against it but still it isn't that damaging against Skarmory unless it's one of those anti-tons with max speed and atk with HP Ground)

With choice band maybe 50+% down, but without it, it's rather difficult to take down that much hp off of Kyubar. Plus he does have Omastar to switch to, whose physical tanking ability is certainly good enough to withstand one banded earthquake from aerodactyl (if full hp then most likely). Swift swim ice beam gg x_x; Kyubar isn't really so strong alone, but it's those free rain dance that's the killer.

And I can see how they can beat you 6-0... you play GSC more than Advanced anyway =p

 

[Mana Lugia]

Well, Crobat does deal 188-222 damage with Sbomb on a no Def kyogre, and Crobat and Aero has the same EV setup: Max atk/speed, Jolly w/ Choice band.

Aero wise, it deals 174-205 from Rock slide, and if using DE instead, like Spike says, then it deals 185-218 damage per hit, and since his Kyogre doesn't have Max HP (it has 360 HP), then it is infact roughly 50% per hit (50% being 180)

Anyways, a quickie to SR: Where do you battle? BH banned ubers ._.

 

[Spike Razzor]

Today, they have banned the 00ber from the main server (BH) ;_;. I think I'll just run an UU team from now on, or maybe an anti-annoyer team.