Noctowl

sims796 said:
Ah, but there aren't that many Normal type theats in OU...plus, they can be blown away.
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Point Taken. For Azelf anyways. Night Shade doesn't do much damage, doesn't get STAB, it just does the maxium amount of Seismic Toss when at level 100. Same thing. Except that Seismis Toss is popular on Bliss, so it's a good move. It hits all types, which is a good thing. But doesn't hit anything Super Effective...
 
Thats the dilema. Lemme do some calculations...

EDIT: Ok, I found out with no EV's, and 20 IV's, Noctowl (Olren) max SP.ATK will be 176. Good enough?
 
sims796 said:
Thats the dilema. Lemme do some calculations...

EDIT: Ok, I found out with no EV's, and 20 IV's, Noctowl (Olren) max SP.ATK will be 176. Good enough?
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You could make him a Special Sweeper with Agility.. I just thought of this...
 
Noctowl really can't sweep...it's kinda like using mence as your wall :/

I say either one is fine, I prefer night shade.
 
sims796 said:
Thats the dilema. Lemme do some calculations...

EDIT: Ok, I found out with no EV's, and 20 IV's, Noctowl (Olren) max SP.ATK will be 176. Good enough?
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Ive found its 177 lol

well at least its not fail-ish, also its a UU/NU pokemon, so thats really not that bad.
 
But not acceptable in OU, right?
 
Air slash > Heracross on the switch. Otherwsie, I think night shade is really better, but that depend on if you're facing houndoom or defense deoxys...meaning it depends on the defenses of the foe.
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
Air slash > Heracross on the switch. Otherwsie, I think night shade is really better, but that depend on if you're facing houndoom or defense deoxys...meaning it depends on the defenses of the foe.
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Houndoon isn't really a good explanation in my opinion. It may carry HP Ice. Edit: and it will OHKO it on the scond turn. Focus Sash says hi.
 
The MAJOR problem is...

If I get rid of Night Shade, I CANNOT GET IT BACK!!!

I must be absolutely sure on Air Slash without a doubt.

EDIT:Heh, thanks Azelf. I've pulled off crazier crap.
 
I was using houndoom because ithas low defences...it wasn't a REAL example.

Night shade = seismic toss

Air slash = Ice beam

Before you all go "leik, n00bz" I am comparing it to blissey. AS is like IB on blissey, and NS being like ST on bliss. Toss is prefered, same goes in this situation IMO.
 
You Reflected with that evil Noctowl and sleeped my valuable wall! Your Reflect saved you so badly that time
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
I was using houndoom because ithas low defences...it wasn't a REAL example.

Night shade = seismic toss

Air slash = Ice beam

Before you all go "leik, n00bz" I am comparing it to blissey. AS is like IB on blissey, and NS being like ST on bliss. Toss is prefered, same goes in this situation IMO.
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That's the point I made out. It's official, Night Shade would be best.
 
i'd keep night shade. if you use noctowl specifically to counter fighting types, then i could see how air slash would come in handy. otherwise, night shade will probably aid you when you most need.

as of whirlwind VS roost ... that's up to you really.
 
I say whirlwind. then again, I love PHazing moves, so.......
 
Yes, I do say Whirlwind, since I can't re-learn it.
 
IT and bronzong can make a great shuffling combo with SR and whirlwind.
 
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