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Nubers without ubers are just noobs.

True, true. I would rather call them casual players.

However, those who don't care on EV's & the like, and then claim to be better than me, I will be quick to insult. I mean, they use ubers, then gloats about how much better they are compared to me. Thats when I gotta knock em down a peg.
 
It's called a f*cking competitive standard, people. Why is it so bloody hard for you to understand that this is how we compete in this game. We don't use ubers (see signature quote) because they are statistically unbalanced. And to all of you who know what EV training is and still choose not to, don't even think about challenging someone competent, because it results in your total defeat and a string of people calling you lazy, which you obviously are for ignoring the advanced training methods. I am sick and tired of how slothful, stubborn, and inadaptive people like you are. And before you pull out the "it's a game, we play it our way" excuse once again, let me offer my response to that right now: If you want to play with your own methods, I've no problem with that, as long as you don't take it against players like me who actually care about maintaining a status quo in the online Pokemon battling circuit.

In summation, either learn to play like the rest of the competent competitors, or stay the f*ck away from us.
 
Are you talking to me? Well, I won't argue, but what your saying will fall on deaf ears. Sure, there is standard. Now try explaining that to everyone else who bought the game. Tell Game Freak & Nintendo that there is a standard in the game that must be met that we gamers had made up, and that it shouldn't be E for everyone, but SP for standard players. Tell all pokemon owners that they must play by our standard rules, and despite the fact that they bought PBR and have the wifi to use it, they can't play unless they play by our rules. I play by standard rules, sure, but I am not superior to call people names for not playing a game marketed towards kids the elite way. Before xXscytherXx comes, I mean the game was made for kids, hence why there are always children on the commercials. Of course, it is deep enough for adults, but simple enough for kids.

lchida, your starting to lose your temper. Calm down to sound reasonable.
 
If it was directed at me, I won't respond, seeing as I have been in these kind of debates and I know how they end, I will probably get banned so there is no point.

But if so, you are mistaken, I don't use ubers, mainly cause they don't appeal to me, also because their design is unoriginal, but I am not quick to overreact over small things in games, especially games aimed at children, so I am going to leave this topic because I am positive I will get attacked and flamed, and maybe banned for my counter responses.
 
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That was a VERY wise response. And I could not agree more. I can't get too hyped, because, like it or not, the main target for this game are kids. We are just into it, which is ok.

EDIT:THIS IS DIRECTED TOWARDS SILENT STORM.
 
Smarties-chan said:
I agree with Eternal Smasher and Yoshimitsu. I myself am a competitive battler and wouldn't even think about using Ubers outside their own metagame. Let's not forget that most Pokémon players aren't competitive battlers and thus don't know about tiers or EVs, Natures and IVs for that matter. As long as you don't run into a team of EV trained Ubers a good EV trained team should be able to take care of them. [S-HIGHLIGHT]Un-EV trained Ubers are a piece of cake for any good player so I don't see why it's such a big deal if some random clueless people use Ubers; at least they'll be able to put up some kind of a fight that way.[/S-HIGHLIGHT] And no, I don't own PBR (it isn't even out in Europe and I don't have a Wii to begin with) myself, but I've seen enough videos to know that most of these n00bs have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

Legendaries =/= Ubers. Normal legendaries (such as Entei, Articuno, Zapdos, Mesprit etc.) require as much skill as any normal Pokémon and Uber battles are a hell of a lot of fun as long as you stick to their own metagame.
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^This is probably the most intelligent post made in this thread as of yet. If a little kid wants to use a Giratina or Deoxys online, let them. How fair is it to use something against a little kid that he/she has probably never heard of because they're so young? Sure, if they don't know how to battle, they'll probably lose, and maybe even learn from their loss if they're lucky. A fair part of Pokemon battles is trail-&-error, losing battles and learning from one's mistakes. After all, what can you learn from winning all the time?

I'm also surprised that the other point was never brought up until here: the thread was made to complain about fresh, untrained Ubers from "noobs", but what about nature-picked, EV-trained ubers from actual competitive players? Now you no longer have the "he's too lazy" excuse because actual training HAS been used. I personally don't think people should be looked down upon for using ubers when they actually trained them competitively...as long as they don't go overboard and it isn't sprung on them from out of nowhere in a FC match.
 
actually legendaries aren't THAT darn weak my lv100 azelf may only have 337 sp atk and 303 speed but with 1-2 nasty plots it can exceed alakazams 380+ sp atk. add that to an expert belt and it does a LOT of damage. i normally don't really use legendaries although now i will point out why some aren't ubers:

I am talking about Non-Uber Legendaries, of course. I always see people banning these, even though they have around the same bases as the OU pokemon. Let's take a look at those.

Ubers are pokemon who's base stat totals exceed 600, with a few exeptions.

BST= Base Stats.

Zapdos BST: 580
Articuno BST: 580
Moltres BST: 580

Entei BST: 580
Raikou BST: 580
Suicune BST: 580

Regirock BST: 580
Regice BST: 580
Registeel BST: 580

Mesprit BST: 580
Azelf BST: 580
Uxie BST: 580

So far, NONE of these guys have exceeded or even got to 600, so they are perfectly safe to use in the OU Tier.
Now for some more:

Cresselia BST: 600
Heatran BST: 600

These may look pretty high, but none are over 600. Besides, look who else has 600 BST.

Garchomp: 600
Dragonite: 600
Tyranitar: 600
Metagross: 600
Salamence: 600

That's right, some of the most overused pokemon out there today have the same BST totals of the previous 3 legendaries and have higher ones than the trios. So, if you ban legendaries you may as well ban Chomp/Nite/T-Tar/Gross/Mence, and if you don't, you're a hypocrite.
Furthermore, if legendaries aren't fair, then why are they allowed in the Battle Tower? The Battle Tower will let the Non-Uber legendaries in because they don't have the stats to be banned.

If you think you don't need to train legendaries for them to be good, then read:

Azelf Modest and untrained reaches 314 Sp. Attack and 266 Speed.

Alakazam Modest EV trained reaches 405 Sp. Attack and 339 Speed.

Now Azelf Modest and EV trained reaches 383 Sp. Attack and 329 Speed.

That means it still doesn't top Alakazam.
(Yes, Azelf may have a superior Attack, as well as some other stats upgraded, but D/P's Metagame is all about speed, hence people always choosing Jolly/Timid over Adamant/Modest. When there are things such as Weavile, Scarfcross, Aerodactyl, Alakazam[Shadow Ball], Agiligross, DDMence, and others running amok, the playing field is evened out).

So, WHY would you ban this if it can't even top a normal pokemon? Legendaries DO take skill to train, you can't just breed them for better IVs, and you need to EV train them just like any other pokemon. Level doesn't matter because everyone does Level 100 battles anyways.

~~~Exceptions~~~

Non-Uber: Regigigas

Sure, Regigigas has 670 Base, but his ability cuts his Speed and Attack for the 5 turns EVERY TIME HE IS SENT OUT, leaving him at 540 BST. Since no one else would have him out for more than 5 turns anyways, he is placed in the BL tier, far from the Ubers.

Uber: Darkrai, Wobbuffet, Lati@s, Mew

Darkrai has 600 BST, but his speed and moves/ability combination keeps him banned. Dark Void is a better version of Hypnosis, especially in double battles, and he has Nightmare/Dream Eater and an ability to stack on this.

Wobbuffet: His massive HP, moveset, and ability keeps him banned. He can kill nearly any pokemon, and take down a second one with him with Destiny Bond. Shadow Tag also doesn't allow them to switch out, keeping them trapped.

Lati@s: They have superior typing and an incredible movepool, placing them in the Uber tier.

Mew: When something like Smeargle has the potential to ruin teams just because of the biggest movepool ever, Mew will be an incredibly upgraded version of that. Put in Ubers because of a good stat build and a superior and an unpredictable movepool that tops nearly everything else.

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taken from B1001's marriland thread.
 
*sigh* It was never about being able to beat ubers or not, because I've defeated teams of shiny, hacked, trained legendaries, including a Regigigas without Slow Start spamming Sacred Fire. It's about ethics and maintaining an honorable playing field between players. Any Pokemon can beat any other Pokemon with the right strategy. I mean hell, look at the "F.E.A.R.." It's the weakest, crappiest Pokemon in existence but it can still kill any Pokemon.
 
yeah switch into a mence when it switches out. now something that TRULY is god , is a wondertomb which cannot be effected by ANYTHING.
 
pokeguy12 said:
now something that TRULY is god , is a wondertomb which cannot be effected by ANYTHING.
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That, unfortunately, is hacked and should be sent back to the pits of Hell from which it was illegally spawned!!
 
You guys know what? People use ubers for a reason.

1.Not everyone has the patience to EV train or buy TM's and crap.

2.Not everyone feels like ogling at stats and natures.

3.Some people want to play the game.

4.Not everyone bought the game to do a lot of complicated math and stuff.

So stop saying whoever uses ubers are n00bs.

They're as much of pokemon players as any of you.
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1.If you don't have the patience to use legit, well-earned pokemon, you might as well not play the game at all.

2.There's a simple solution to that: here, why don't you just catch a pokemon and train it? There, no ogling at stats and natures there, amirite?

3.Oh, I assure you, playing the game through correctly and training pokemon that you yourself earned is much better described as "playing the game" than messing with the game with some action replay or something and acting all tough because you messed with the game's coding and lacked the patience of training a real pokemon. Besides, aren't I playing the game by turning the power on and pressing buttons? :')

4. You're right, some bought the game to just play until after they beat the first gym leader then let it rot in their closet, but at least they didn't cheat. They also had the common courtesy to not send their Lv. 100 Arceuses online and beat people's arses that actually earned their pokemon, amirite?
 
WHy on earth shouls all legends be banned? Some are BL at best, and require just as much skill to use as anything else.

And as for ubers...isn't that was tiers are for?

pokeguy12, Ichaste Pekoni, and Smarties-chan make excellent points. My EV trained Staraptor beat my friend's entire team on untrained Ubers. And as for trained ubers, well yes, they're unbalanced--that's what uber battles are for. FOr crying out loud, why is there the attitude that the OU tier is the only one in existence?

And this attitude that Legendaries = Ubers, just...lol.

~Chibi~
 
Hey, I made good points too...I am agreeing...

Seriously, this legends=Ubers confusion has gone too far. Now, the newcomers comming to this site are confused because of the people here claiming that legends are ubers. I had to actually PM Smarties to ask him to make a sticky describing the two. And there is one on the battle rules.
 
Abyssion said:
Legendaries like Azelf are quite a bit weaker than legendaries like Lugia. Garchomp, Dragonite, Metagross, Tyranitar, Salamence are up there with the weaker legendaries, so banning all legendaries and leaving them alone is...odd (couldn't think of a better word... >.>).
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Read a list of legends.I loved my rayquaza on my emerald game to pull throgh the elete 4.Anyway if you get super evd pokes sence the noobs who use ubers are to lazy to care about evs.
 
you do have a point about using ubers, but whats wrong with 2 or three. I wanna show off my darkai and my kyogre that im super proud of. Even though my main team are ubers i do have some what decent normal pokes too...
 
Because Darakia and Kyorge are too strong to be on a standard team. Now, to beat you (if they are EV trained), I will HAVE to put an Uber to balance that out. And no one should be forced to use one.
 
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