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    Salamence@Choice Specs
    Mild
    6 HP/252 Spec.Attack/252 Speed
    Dragon Pulse
    Draco Meteor
    Hydro Pump
    Flamethrower

    Yeah,you get what to do.Whack everything hard with Draco Meteor and switch away.

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    Skarmory@Leftovers
    Impish
    252 HP/62 Attack/196 Defense
    Brave Bird
    Spikes
    Roost
    Whirlwind

    Brave Bird was swapped with Drill Peck so I could actually do some damage and still wall fine with 210 Attack to help me.

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    Heracross@Flame Orb
    Jolly
    6 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
    Facade
    Megahorn
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge

    Facade whacks things hard while the rest of the moves give coverage and STAB,obviously.

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    Gardevoir@Leftovers
    Trace
    Modest
    252 HP/32 Defense/6 Spec.Attack/220 Special Defense
    Psychic
    Thunderbolt
    Will-O-Wisp
    Wish

    It's a good Wish passer for me and the EVs in Defense are because it has only a 20 Defense IV.Will-O-Wisp is standard and the other moves so you should understand.

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    Claydol@Leftovers
    250 HP/124 Spec.Defense/136 Defense
    Relaxed
    Earthquake
    Ice Beam
    Reflect
    Rapid Spin

    Standard Rapid Spinner set.

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    Ludicolo@Leftovers
    Sassy
    252 HP/6 Spec.Attack/252 Spec.Defense
    Energy Ball
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Leech Seed

    Special tank that works well.The three offensive moves provide very good coverage and Leech Seed scares the living egg out of Blissey and Bulky Waters
     
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    the team is well-made but why HYDRO PUMP on salamence?
    and why ICE BEAM on claydol?
    do you want suggestions or you're sure for the moveset?
     
    the team is well-made but why HYDRO PUMP on salamence?
    and why ICE BEAM on claydol?
    do you want suggestions or you're sure for the moveset?
    Then can you suggest a better special move for Salamence that kills Rock types and Heatran for me?Ice Beam kills Dragons and is just standard.
     
    Then can you suggest a better special move for Salamence that kills Rock types and Heatran for me?Ice Beam kills Dragons and is just standard.

    1)you don't have to use ice type moves to kill dragons.you already have some>draco meteor,draco pulse>and why two dragon moves?
    2)i remember salamence could learn earthquake(i'm not sure) if you want a good accuracy instead of hydro pump>but if we talk about competitive battling you must use a flying type with salamence.(and with earthquake).
     
    Ignore pokemaster, he's one of the people who has the "dont rate without proper knowledge" quoted to him. A testament to that is that he thinks hydro pump is ice and is confused about standard specsmence :P
    I'm just wondering why ludi is sassy when he has a unused Attack stat that can be lowered instead? Same goes for Mence's mild.
     
    Ignore pokemaster, he's one of the people who has the "dont rate without proper knowledge" quoted to him.
    I'm just wondering why ludi is sassy when he has a unused Attack stat that can be lowered instead?
    My resources only has Sassy nature that could be passed down.I'm impatient.I'll try my very best to get Calm,though.
     
    Yeah its always best to breed for the most beneficial nature possibly. If you're really pushed i suppose it can go without that extra speed.
     
    Yeah its always best to breed for the most beneficial nature possibly. If you're really pushed i suppose it can go without that extra speed.
    I'll...ask around the Trade Corner for one.I still have Grass Knot to teach it so Energy Ball isn't that big a burden.
     
    Ignore pokemaster, he's one of the people who has the "dont rate without proper knowledge" quoted to him. A testament to that is that he thinks hydro pump is ice and is confused about standard specsmence :P
    I'm just wondering why ludi is sassy when he has a unused Attack stat that can be lowered instead? Same goes for Mence's mild.

    oh dear gofre,i don't think hydro pump is an ice type move.i just said that ''lapizzame''doesn't need an ice type move on claydol because it can already defeat dragon types with salamence.if you wanna destroy claydol's moveset here you go....do it.claydol can defeat dragons easily after a cosmic-powered psychic and if you're afraid of dark types switch in with a fight type or replace a move you already have here with a good move for dark types.
     
    Cosmic power boosts Def and SpDef, not SpAtt...
    Rofl...
    But yeah, its a spinner/support poke, its not meant to go round destroying stuff. Plus it has no EVs, so wouldnt destroy anything anyway. If you would care to do some damage calcs to back your claims up, ill happily admit im wrong.
     
    oh dear gofre,i don't think hydro pump is an ice type move.i just said that ''lapizzame''doesn't need an ice type move on claydol because it can already defeat dragon types with salamence.if you wanna destroy claydol's moveset here you go....do it.claydol can defeat dragons easily after a cosmic-powered psychic and if you're afraid of dark types switch in with a fight type or replace a move you already have here with a good move for dark types.
    Salamence is too slow to grapple with Garchomp.Now,care to back up your claims that my strongest pokemon can kill fellow dragons?

    Ignore pokemaster, he's one of the people who has the "dont rate without proper knowledge" quoted to him. A testament to that is that he thinks hydro pump is ice and is confused about standard specsmence :P
    I'm just wondering why ludi is sassy when he has a unused Attack stat that can be lowered instead? Same goes for Mence's mild.
    My Salamence's parents.I'll go and try to fetch one.

    252 HP / 108 DEF / 96 SP.ATT / 52 SP.DEF <<Try that spread for Claydol, so you can do something attacking wise.
    I'll consider this.Thank you for helping!:D
     
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    Salamence@Choice Specs
    Modest
    6 HP/252 Spec.Attack/252 Speed
    Dragon Pulse
    Draco Meteor
    Hydro Pump
    Flamethrower

    Yeah,you get what to do.Whack everything hard with Draco Meteor and switch away.

    Skarmory@Leftovers
    Impish
    252 HP/96 Attack/160 Defense
    Brave Bird/Drill Peck
    Spikes
    Roost
    Whirlwind

    Brave Bird was swapped with Drill Peck so I could actually do some damage and still wall fine with 210 Attack to help me.
    Ev spread I use is above. I prefer Drill Peck over Brave Bird because walls aren't supposed to hurt themselves, am I right? But you can use Brave Bird if you want.

    Heracross@Flame Orb
    Jolly
    6 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed
    Swords Dance
    Megahorn
    Close Combat
    Facade

    Night Slash gives me the power to OHKO Gengar and Mismagius and other Ghost and Psychic types not named Dusknoir or Spiritomb.The rest give coverage and STAB,obviously.
    I like the way you did it, but standard Flame Orb set is above.

    Gardevoir@Leftovers
    Trace
    Modest
    252 HP/32 Speed/48 Spec.Attack/176 Special Defense
    Psychic
    Thunderbolt
    Will-O-Wisp
    Wish

    It's a good Wish passer for me and the EVs in Defense are because it has only a 20 Defense IV.Will-O-Wisp is standard and the other moves so you should understand.
    Nice

    Claydol@Leftovers
    252 HP/120 Spec. Attack/136 Defence
    Relaxed
    Earthquake
    Ice Beam
    Reflect
    Rapid Spin

    Standard Rapid Spinner set.
    New EV set above.

    Ludicolo@Leftovers
    Sassy
    252 HP/6 Spec.Attack/252 Spec.Defense
    Energy Ball
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Leech Seed

    Special tank that works well.The three offensive moves provide very good coverage and Leech Seed scares the living egg out of Blissey and Bulky Waters.
    Not much experience with these, but it looks pretty good.

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    Nice Team.
     
    I added the sprites to make it a little less boring to read my RMT.I wish a moderator would delete pokemaster7's posts,they're useless.I'm still open for rating!
     
    anyways.....i wouldn't use ice beam on claydol
    Why not? It gives it good coverage.
    oh dear gofre,i don't think hydro pump is an ice type move.i just said that ''lapizzame''doesn't need an ice type move on claydol because it can already defeat dragon types with salamence.if you wanna destroy claydol's moveset here you go....do it.claydol can defeat dragons easily after a cosmic-powered psychic and if you're afraid of dark types switch in with a fight type or replace a move you already have here with a good move for dark types.
    Claydol doesn't only need Icebeam for dragons. Icebeam just gives it good coverage. It hits all Pokemon with at least neutral damage except for Bronzong.
    1)you don't have to use ice type moves to kill dragons.you already have some>draco meteor,draco pulse>and why two dragon moves?
    2)i remember salamence could learn earthquake(i'm not sure) if you want a good accuracy instead of hydro pump>but if we talk about competitive battling you must use a flying type with salamence.(and with earthquake).
    What if Salamence falls early? And remember that Salamence holds Choice Specs. Special moves would be more powerful on it. And there aren't really any good Flying moves available, all are physical and Aerial Ace only gets the best of 90 power max.
    the team is well-made but why HYDRO PUMP on salamence?
    and why ICE BEAM on claydol?
    do you want suggestions or you're sure for the moveset?
    It's standard, and it hits hard.
    ..............
    -smack'd- >:(

    Slightly Gyaraweak. If Gyarados happens to get a DD or two in, this team falls apart.

    Timid is a waste on Salamence. It doesn't outrun much. I would suggest Modest. Adamant Heracross too. It still outruns neutral Heatran, and doesn't really gain anything with a beneficial speed nature.
     
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    Why not? It gives it good coverage.

    Claydol doesn't only need Icebeam for dragons. Icebeam just gives it good coverage. It hits all Pokemon with at least neutral damage except for Bronzong.

    What if Salamence falls early? And remember that Salamence holds Choice Specs. Special moves would be more powerful on it. And there aren't really any good Flying moves available, all are physical and Aerial Ace only gets the best of 90 power max.

    It's standard, and it hits hard.
    ..............
    -smack'd- >:(

    Slightly Gyaraweak. If Gyarados happens to get a DD or two in, this team falls apart.

    Timid is a waste on Salamence. It doesn't outrun much. I would suggest Modest. Adamant Heracross too. It still outruns neutral Heatran, and doesn't really gain anything with a beneficial speed nature.
    Heracross can outrun the standard DD set for Salamence using Jolly while being able to use all of it's moves and get a boost,which Adamant can't do.HP Flying isn't physical,but I'm not using it.I don't really know how to stop Gyarados besides Gardevoir switching in with Trace to use Intimidate.Any suggestions?
     
    Gardy should do fine, just be wary of STAB Waterfalls.

    Lack of a good special wall hurts. NP Azelf and Togekiss both do major damage.
     
    Gardy should do fine, just be wary of STAB Waterfalls.

    Lack of a good special wall hurts. NP Azelf and Togekiss both do major damage.
    Well Bronzong was once filling that role but I eventually removed it for Claydol again since Stealth Rock cost me a match.Otherwise,Bronzong would have taken the hits from Togekiss
    very well.Azelf would have been taken fine by Blissey but it would take some time to get a Calm one.
     
    Bronzong isn't really all that great a togekiss counter to be honest. NP Aura Sphere is bound to hurt and it can flinch you with Air slash. Gyro Ball barely hurts sincwe it's pretty slow (80 base spd).

    You're going to be weak to it unless you put in an electric, so I wouldn't worry about it much. Still, a special wall would help since Heatran and Gengar are going to wear down Ludi pretty quickly.
     
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