Offensive Team

[crystalvelox]

This team is for standard clauses and OU evironment.

Yanmega (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 Sp Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Bug Buzz
- Protect
- Hypnosis/HP Ground

Even though this lead is predictable doesn't mean it's still easy to counter. Hit's a lot of common leads for neutral or super effective damage leading to OHKO-2HKOs. I'm unsure about using hypnosis anymore on it because the leads I might use it on normally would care Lum Berry and such. HP Ground is what I'm leaning for to hit Heatran leads with Choice Scarf. Bronzong is probably the only pokemon I can see that would force me to switch.

Gyarados (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP/252 Atk/184 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Fang
- Waterfall
- Earthquake

What better way to help counter the Gyarados weakness I had with gyarados myself. This can help me counter a large number of pokemon.

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- U-Turn
- Pursuit

This I think now after much convenceing from other people this is probably the best way to go with Scizor. Massive Power right off the start and a bit missleading to wether it's swords dance Scizor or not.

Uxie @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Def/ 252 HP/ 4 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -atk)
Thunderwave
Thunderbolt
U-Turn
Stealth Rock

I choose this because it was suggested and I think they are right that this helps my team. Helps cripple a lot of pokemon with Thunderwave and sets up Stealth Rock which with Lucario on the team now benefits.

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Sp/4 Hp
Jolly nature (+Spd, -Sp Atk)
- Extremespeed
- Crunch
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance

Lucario itself is just annoying to anybody when it comes into play, so it'll work well with my team to sort out some trouble makers I run into.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Surf
- Sleep Talk

Crocune. It's acts as my tank, status absorber, staller and sweeper all in one. I have considered to replace calm mind with HP electric, but Calm mind has been much more useful than HP electric.

After a while to think I finally came up with a solution to the problems I had last time, but at the cost of drastically changing my team. Made 3 pokemon changes Lucario, Gyarados and Uxie to replace Salamence, mamoswine and Heatran. One entire moveset change on scizor as well. This team I think is more balanced overall. I don't see any glaring weaknesses and about half my team can resist or nullify a lot of arena type problems: Sandstorm, Toxic Spikes, Spikes and Stealth rock.

 

[DeathlyHallows]

1. Your Yanmega's good, but it'll have hard time against steel type, see if u give it HP fire/ground instead of Hypnosis.

2. But for Salamence, U should replace Outrage and Fire Blast, with Dragon claw (more reliable because u can use another move after it), and crunch for ghost/psychic!

3. As for scizor I prefer one holding the Salac berry, with the ability swarm, fully ev'd in att and spd, adamant nature. and the following moves:
Endure (to survive in order to use the salac berry)
Iron head
X-scissor/U-Turn
Reversal (after surviving from endure)

4. Your heatran is fine.

5. Your weavile's very good, but as ur using a choice band, a Jolly Weavile would be better!

6. Ur suicune is a very good tank, but it has to watch out for pokemon with Water Absorb ability! But personally I prefer you put a special sweeper instead of it.

 

[crystalvelox]

Are reversal movesets still effective? I mean with all the priority moves running around.

 

[Archer]

OK, well offensive or not, Stealth Rock will bring you down rather quickly. Fast leads can set up SR and you can't do anything about it. You then have walls coming in and forcing you out, as your entire team hits from one side of the spectrum or the other.

Maybe you'll want to reconstruct with some less SR weaks.

EDIT:

Are reversal movesets still effective? I mean with all the priority moves running around.

No, Reversal sucks. So much Priority and Scarfs. You're from the RSE Gen?

1. Your Yanmega's good, but it'll have hard time against steel type, see if u give it HP fire/ground instead of Hypnosis.
It takes away the functionality of it.
2. But for Salamence, U should replace Outrage and Fire Blast, with Dragon claw (more reliable because u can use another move after it), and crunch for ghost/psychic!
No. Just no. Outrage is far better than Dragon Claw, due to the Power difference. Crunch is a Joke, Dragon hits Ghosts harder.
3. As for scizor I prefer one holding the Salac berry, with the ability swarm, fully ev'd in att and spd, adamant nature. and the following moves:
Endure (to survive in order to use the salac berry)
Iron head
X-scissor/U-Turn
Reversal (after surviving from endure)
No, the new Bullet Punch set is heaps better.
4. Your heatran is fine.

5. Your weavile's very good, but as ur using a choice band, a Jolly Weavile would be better!
Actually, that's right.

6. Ur suicune is a very good tank, but it has to watch out for pokemon with Water Absorb ability! But personally I prefer you put a special sweeper instead of it.

CroCune uses pressure to outstall Vappy. Trust me, I prefer it.

Please don't rate without proper knowledge.

 

[crystalvelox]

I started learning competitive battling in the RSE generation's a few months before D/P came out, but utterly failed at it. Now, I just started D/P competitve battling 2 months ago. So, no, I'm not in the RSE generation.

Think I'll try to exchange Salamence and Weavile with something else. Most of the shoddy battles I've done have had better success with the other 4 than them. Sleath rock like you mentioned is the cause of salamence's and Weavile's downfall.

 

[Walrein]

1) You should take in account Lapras is going to compeletly destroy your Suicune.
2) Drop Explosion on Heatran-I just can't stand when everything with more than 0.000001 attack uses it!
3) Why not Fire Fang on Salamance? DD is going to make up for the poor base power.
4) Your Weavile will be outurned by Jolly Dugtrio, s when you encounter it, use Ice Shard if you don't want to lose to it. Also take in considiration an opposing Weavile could beat you as well, as well as Azelf OHKOing it with Flamethrower. Timid Alakazam can outurn it and Focus Blast as well. Weavile without Pursuit :{? What have you done to my cute little Ice-type? Don't you want an easy kill on Mismagius, Gengar, Alakazam and many more?
5) I doubt you need both Scizor and Yanmega. I also think Weavile should become the lead you take Yanmega out.

 

[devilicious]

1) You should take in account Lapras is going to compeletly destroy your Suicune.
2) Drop Explosion on Heatran-I just can't stand when everything with more than 0.000001 attack uses it!
3) Why not Fire Fang on Salamance? DD is going to make up for the poor base power.
4) Your Weavile will be outurned by Jolly Dugtrio, s when you encounter it, use Ice Shard if you don't want to lose to it. Also take in considiration an opposing Weavile could beat you as well, as well as Azelf OHKOing it with Flamethrower. Timid Alakazam can outurn it and Focus Blast as well. Weavile without Pursuit :{? What have you done to my cute little Ice-type? Don't you want an easy kill on Mismagius, Gengar, Alakazam and many more?
5) I doubt you need both Scizor and Yanmega. I also think Weavile should become the lead you take Yanmega out.

1) He obviously knows that. CroCune is still effective, so your point is null.
2) ...just because you don't like it? Explosion is an awesome move.
3) Fire Blast still does more to the likes of Skarmory.
4) I agree Pursuit would be better. Jolly is an option.
5) CB Weavile sucks as a lead, Yanmega owns. However, now in Platinum Hypnosis has 60 Accuracy, so eh.

 

[Walrein]

1) He obviously knows that. CroCune is still effective, so your point is null.
2) ...just because you don't like it? Explosion is an awesome move.
3) Fire Blast still does more to the likes of Skarmory.
4) I agree Pursuit would be better. Jolly is an option.
5) CB Weavile sucks as a lead, Yanmega owns. However, now in Platinum Hypnosis has 60 Accuracy, so eh.

1) And lose all of those CMs just when Lapras comes in? Apart of Weavile, Lapras can really dent this team. Take that in considiration (the thread opener, not you Deviruchi).
2) With 0 Attack EVs and a -nature, what is it going to KO anyway? I think it only does about 86% to Blissey. At least invest in attack for a KO on Blissey.
3) Skarmory isn't a threat as it was in Advance. Besides, Fire Blast is nearly useless agiant an entering Regice, and Jynx wouldn't be OHKOed by it as well.
4) Night Slash can go anyway.
5) A) Weavile isn't a good lead? So who is? B) Bug-types tend to suck, and Yanmega is no exception.

 

[Archer]

1) And lose all of those CMs just when Lapras comes in? Apart of Weavile, Lapras can really dent this team. Take that in considiration (the thread opener, not you Deviruchi).
2) With 0 Attack EVs and a -nature, what is it going to KO anyway? I think it only does about 86% to Blissey. At least invest in attack for a KO on Blissey.
3) Skarmory isn't a threat as it was in Advance. Besides, Fire Blast is nearly useless agiant an entering Regice, and Jynx wouldn't be OHKOed by it as well.
4) Night Slash can go anyway.
5) A) Weavile isn't a good lead? So who is? B) Bug-types tend to suck, and Yanmega is no exception.

1) Lapras can't do anything. You can just sit there CMing until any special attacks do less than Lefties. Then proceed to Rest and Pressure-Stall the opposing Lapras.
2) Are you talking about a Bold Blissey? Because almost no-one runs it anymore. Bold would have problems with walling the likes of Suicune, anyway.
3) Skarmory is a wall. Walls do not usually pose 'threats' they merely stop them. It also hits Forretress for more than anything, which can otherwise sit there and throw up SR, which isn't nice. As for Regice and Jynx, lol. You are talking about two specially bulky pokemon. Why you would use Fire Blast over Outrage is beyond me. Seriously.
4) I actually do agree. Pursuit and Jolly please.
5) CBWeavile does not make a great lead, it doesn't acheive much and just says "Hi, keep Gengar/Mence away until I'm dead, you can sweep me. Ta." The Yanmega comment. lol. Ummmm.... hahaha. Ha. Bugs hardly suck. Heracross, Forry, Scizor and Yanmega are some awesome pokemon. I have seen Mono-Bug Teams that are quite successful, so don't be so hasty to disregard pokemon that are OU for a reason.
CV, the Yanmega lead is fine, but as Devi said, watch out for the 60% acc. in Platinum.

Please, don't say stupid things. I realise that you do understand the Metagame to an extent, but sit back and learn a bit more before shooting down comments.

 

[Walrein]

1) Lapras can't do anything. You can just sit there CMing until any special attacks do less than Lefties. Then proceed to Rest and Pressure-Stall the opposing Lapras.
2) Are you talking about a Bold Blissey? Because almost no-one runs it anymore. Bold would have problems with walling the likes of Suicune, anyway.
3) Skarmory is a wall. Walls do not usually pose 'threats' they merely stop them. It also hits Forretress for more than anything, which can otherwise sit there and throw up SR, which isn't nice. As for Regice and Jynx, lol. You are talking about two specially bulky pokemon. Why you would use Fire Blast over Outrage is beyond me. Seriously.
4) I actually do agree. Pursuit and Jolly please.
5) CBWeavile does not make a great lead, it doesn't acheive much and just says "Hi, keep Gengar/Mence away until I'm dead, you can sweep me. Ta." The Yanmega comment. lol. Ummmm.... hahaha. Ha. Bugs hardly suck. Heracross, Forry, Scizor and Yanmega are some awesome pokemon. I have seen Mono-Bug Teams that are quite successful, so don't be so hasty to disregard pokemon that are OU for a reason.
CV, the Yanmega lead is fine, but as Devi said, watch out for the 60% acc. in Platinum.

Please, don't say stupid things. I realise that you do understand the Metagame to an extent, but sit back and learn a bit more before shooting down comments.

1) Do you really enjoy a battle of Struggles? Suicune can't do anything either because of Lapras's Water Absorb.
2) No I'm not.
3) If you use a DD boost, why even bother with moves that don't enjoy it? And, really, my suprise Scarf set could switch in, outurn and OHKO Salamance. Fire Fang would prevent that.
4) Night Slash can go if you use Ice Shard, that's whan I meant. It's not a replacement for Pursuit.
5) So who leads good? Name one. I like my leads to destroy other leads, and that requires alot of speed.
Throwing the best of the best of this type doesn't make it a useful type as a whole. Take a look and tell me how do most of these have a place in the so-called "standard":
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)
So name a type that does suck.
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It's easy to say I don't understand the metagame if I don't do the same exact things that the standart says. I should quote Wobbuffet from Animax-I don't care about power in a crap.
The "metagame" lost any interest in anything but power. I don't see teams who are based on any idea anymore, no more favorite teams...that's about it for you. If I'll publish my arctic aurora team I'm making for Diamond I'll only get comments of how much I "don't understand the metagame".

 

[Anti]

Okay so let me get this straight Froslass, with CroCune you're expecting the user to stay in on Lapras and get stalled out and not scout for a counter like Lapras before attempting a sweep...genius! Everything is walled by something lol

As for the team, it's pretty good. I don't really see what Weavile is doing for you that Mamoswine can't do better but otherwise a good team.

 

[Archer]

1) Do you really enjoy a battle of Struggles? Suicune can't do anything either because of Lapras's Water Absorb.
Suicune doesn't need to do anything. Pressure Stall. you don't need to do anything when it starts losing 25% HP every turn. And Suicune won't be losing much PP when it's asleep 2/3 turns.
For the record, I find watching the opponent struggle hilarious.
2) No I'm not.
It has a 33% chance of a OHKO. SR down and it's a certain OHKO.
3) If you use a DD boost, why even bother with moves that don't enjoy it? And, really, my suprise Scarf set could switch in, outurn and OHKO Salamance. Fire Fang would prevent that.
Huh? How is Fire Fang going to stop your ScarfMory? Fire Blast does a lot more. Basically, after you DD once, they have switched in Skarm. If you Fire Fang, you fail to do a lot and get Phazed out. Fire Blast is just better. You can't use novelty sets to prove a point.
4) Night Slash can go if you use Ice Shard, that's whan I meant. It's not a replacement for Pursuit.
lulwut? Pursuit is much more useful than Night Slash in most situations. Ice Shard is also important with the increased usage of DDSalamence.

5) So who leads good? Name one. I like my leads to destroy other leads, and that requires alot of speed.
Throwing the best of the best of this type doesn't make it a useful type as a whole. Take a look and tell me how do most of these have a place in the so-called "standart":
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)
So name a type that does suck.
You said "bug types suck and Yanmega is no exception." I was proving that there are useful bugs, one of which is Yanmega. You can't judge a pokemon on the stereotypes of it's typing.
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It's easy to say I don't understand the metagame if I don't do the same exact things that the standart says. I should quote Wobbuffet from Animax-I don't care about power in a crap.
The good quotes generally make sense. Actually, people who can successfully run a non-standard are usually skilled.
The "metagame" lost any interest in anything but power. I don't see teams who are based on any idea anymore, no more favorite teams...that's about it for you. If I'll publish my arctic aurora team I'm making for Diamond I'll only get comments of how much I "don't understand the metagame".

I get what you are trying to say, the Metagame is far more offensive. But pure power is not the only important thing. Otherwise Rampardos and Slaking would both be high-OU.
Novelty teams with weird sets can still work, look at Abyay's RMT.
Post your team, I'd be happy to help, but don't assume everyone thinks non-standard is bad.
I suggest dropping this, but if you want to discuss it, PM me so we can keep this thread relatively clean.

 

[crystalvelox]

Alright changed weavile for Mamoswine.

 

[luke]

1) Do you really enjoy a battle of Struggles? Suicune can't do anything either because of Lapras's Water Absorb.

Yes, because Lapras is oh so common. Seriously, I'd be more worried about Vaporeon than Lapras.

2) No I'm not.
3) If you use a DD boost, why even bother with moves that don't enjoy it? And, really, my suprise Scarf set could switch in, outurn and OHKO Salamance. Fire Fang would prevent that.

To take care of Pokemon with lower Special Defense than Defense perhaps. Like Scizor, Skarmory, etc.

4) Night Slash can go if you use Ice Shard, that's whan I meant. It's not a replacement for Pursuit.
5) So who leads good? Name one. I like my leads to destroy other leads, and that requires alot of speed.
Throwing the best of the best of this type doesn't make it a useful type as a whole. Take a look and tell me how do most of these have a place in the so-called "standart":
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)
So name a type that does suck.

All types have their advantages and disadvantages. Fire, Ice, and Rock all have great offensive coverage. However, defensively, they leave a lot to be desired. Steel and Poison make for terrible offensive moves, but defensively, they're some of the best in the game. And it's standard - not standart. The forum requires good English - learn to use it.
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It's easy to say I don't understand the metagame if I don't do the same exact things that the standart says. I should quote Wobbuffet from Animax-I don't care about power in a crap.
The "metagame" lost any interest in anything but power. I don't see teams who are based on any idea anymore, no more favorite teams...that's about it for you. If I'll publish my arctic aurora team I'm making for Diamond I'll only get comments of how much I "don't understand the metagame".

This makes no sense. If you're going to try to prove a point, make sure it's coherent and other posters can understand you. kthnxbai

 

[crystalvelox]

I was so hoping that wouldn't come up again. Last thing I need is for my board to get locked for getting off topic and it wasn't even my fault.

 

[luke]

Would you like to restart your thread with the changes and without those posts?

 

[crystalvelox]

Not really. I'm almost satisfited with the changes made and just need a little more information on the recent change.

 

[Skip Shot]

You are pretty LO DD Gyara weak. Gyara does outspeed mamo, and can OHKO with STAB Waterfall. Consider HP Electric on Cune somewhere, definitely not over CM thouigh.

 

[ABYAY]

Hardcore does have a point here; nothing on your team can really come in easily on Gyarados after it has Dragon Danced. Suicune will ultimately get beat since it can't do much whilist Gyarados sets up its DDs.

I almost want to say NP Ape weak, but you have a response to either version.

 

[Walrein]

Apostle, did you forget Lapras can use Thunderbolt/Thunder?
hardc0rerock, it's thought. Only when I make keyboard mistakes it's wrong.
Now for Gyarados, you have no Electric-type move here...you can try ThunderFang on Salamance for the suprise element, but I doubt it will be very effective...