Old is the New

[HorseGuy]

Argh, let's try this again. After writing up rather hefty descriptions the site crapped out on me and I lost all of my text. Rage rage rage

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I GOTS ME SOME HOOK THUMBS (Toxicroak) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 Atk/64 Spd/194 SAtk
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Brick Break
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Vacuum Wave
- Sucker Punch
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OHKO's Forretress, Azelf, and Frosslass(Albeit, I hardly see any more Azelf leads).
Comes in later to take out common walls and absorb toxic spikes, just in case I can't get a rapid spin in or something. Also OHKO's Gengar, Tyranitar, Alakazam, and Weavile. 2HKOs: Metagross, Jirachi, Blissey, Tangrowth, Heracross, and Skarmory. Provides a nice water resist and absolutely lols at Rain dance teams paired with life orb. :3 He and Forretress are vying for lead position at the moment.
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Caltrop (Forretress) (M) @ Macho Brace/Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/112 Atk/144 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball
- Reflect
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Reflect allows for a much easier setup of toxic spikes and absolutely laughs at pokemon trying to set up, an example being Gyarados. Max Attack +2 Attack Life Orb vs Forretress with Reflect:
766 Atk vs 387 Def & 354 HP (80 Base Power): 111 - 132 (31.36% - 37.29%)
Does Macho Brace effect Gyro Ball?
That sounds right? I'm always so uncertain with calculations. :/ Also serves as my Tyranitar counter.
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Fisticuffs (Tyranitar) (M) @ Babiri Berry
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Fire Punch
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
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The meat and potatoes of my team. Fire punch and Babiri Berry allow me to take care of common steal switchins(I'm looking at you Scizor and Metagross). Stone Edge and Crunch obviously provide that super sexay dual STAB that we all love. Jolly keeps me safer against common revenge killers after I've gotten a DD or two out there. (Starmie, Azelf, Latias, etc).
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Metal Goose Solid (Metagross) @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/188 Spd/70 SAtk
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Meteor Mash
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This guy and toxic spikes are the absolute bane of any bulky water that tries to impede Tyranitar's sweep. Serves as a great wall breaker, as well. 2HKOs Hippowdon, Swampert and Donphan every time with grass knot. And almost always 2HKO's Slowbro. In Sandstorm I have a really good chance of 2HKOing Suicune as well. Hidden Power[Fire] OHKOs Forretress and 2HKOs Tangrowth and Skarmory every time.
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I'M ON A BOAT LOL (Vaporeon) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Surf
- Roar
- Protect
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Roar allows me to spread the love that is toxic spikes while simultaneously allowing me to scout the opponents team. Wish is a great support option and protect allows me to better recover with wish and stall out poisoned pokemon. Surf is the standard STAB attack. Suicune(specifically Crocune) was giving me a lot of trouble and this guy proves as a semi-counter in the sense that he can roar her away for later while staying immune to her surf. Absorbs water, which is always cool. :3 Oh, yes. He is also my Infernape counter.
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Darkwing Duck (Porygon2) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
- Thunder Wave
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Oh my good god jolly Jesus, I love Pory2. Counters Gyarados, Heatran, Salamence and a slew of other pokemon. Revenge kills Dugtrio and Magnezone, by using their abilities against them. Ice Beam and Thunderbolt for the coveted coverage offered by the two. Thunder wave, helps take care of anything that is immune to poison.

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Threat List
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*image removed*Scizor
Metagross,
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Porygon2,
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Porygon2,
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Porygon2,
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Metagross, Toxicroak,
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Vaporeon,
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Forretress,
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Nothin' D:
*image removed*Gengar
Toxicroak,
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Metagross, Vaporeon(If Toxic spikes are down)
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Toxicroak, Tyranitar,
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Tyranitar, Toxicroak,
*image removed*Starmie
Tyranitar,
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Tyranitar, Toxicroak,
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Metagross,
*image removed*Zapdos
Tyranitar,
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Metagross, Toxicroak, Porygon2,
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Nothin' D:
*image removed*Bronzong
Metagross, Toxicroak,
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Porygon2, Tyranitar,

 

[Dark Azelf]

How the heck does Metagross counter/check Lucario and Breloom ? :/

SD LO CC OHKO's Meta, Aura Sphere 2hko's Meta from Luke and Breloom can Spore Meta, 2hko it (it prolly OHKO's that spread) with Focus Punch and then OHKO your entire team with said F-Punch and Seed Bomb too. Toxicroak included.

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Metagross, Toxicroak,

Also no. :/

 

[HorseGuy]

How the heck does Metagross counter/check Lucario and Breloom ? :/

SD LO CC OHKO's Meta, Aura Sphere 2hko's Meta from Luke and Breloom can Spore Meta, 2hko it with Focus Punch and then OHKO your entire team with said F-Punch and Seed Bomb too.

I put that Meta countered Luc? XD
The idea with Breloom was to get someone else asleep and let Meta come in on the focus punch. I'm not quite sure where I was going after that. Someone I know was supposed to look over the threat list before anyone else posted. Because I wans't quite sure on a few of them. =P
I am in dire need of a Breloom counter. >_>
Also, What does Meta do to my Meta? Earthquake? Toxicroak outspeeds all but the Agility sets.
I don't remember if you're supposed to just list counters on the threat list, but I was listing revenge kills and workarounds as well.
I admit the Luc and Breloom were a tad silly.
You want to actually help the team instead of just critisizing the threat list, by the way?
Like saying "Oh, go with Spiritomb, he helps you better take care of Azelf and laughs at some Lucario, ResTalk Tomb also helps with Breloom."

 

[Dark Azelf]

Yes Meta OHKO's Meta with Earthquake and Toxicroak cant OHKO and is OHKO'd in return.

None of them are checks, counters or even revenge killers.

But yes you need a solid fighting resist.

 

[HorseGuy]

Maybe I'll go ResTalk Gyara over Toxicraok and make my forretress lead. Gives me reliable status taker and he absolutely laughs at Punch/Seed Bomb Breloom.
Thoughts?
Max HP, Max Defence ResTalk Gyarados.
Seed Bomb After Intimidate:
262 Atk vs 282 Def & 394 HP (80 Base Power): 80 - 96 (20.30% - 24.37%)
Focus Punch After Intimidate:
262 Atk vs 282 Def & 394 HP (150 Base Power): 75 - 89 (19.04% - 22.59%)
Assuming I did the calcs right, I'm never very confident about them. >_>