Chit-Chat: On Tuesdays Oryx and Triforce think it's Wednesday

[Nick]

That was a bad example, but what I meant was freelancing is basically you do small jobs here and there, while with household chores you do small jobs as well. (Although some jobs in freelancing are large jobs)

Uhhh, you come across as giving the attitude that you think freelance jobs are just like lol and don't require any work at all and are just a hobby, when that isn't the case for most people.

If you're a freelance web designer, your job is still web design. You're just not employed in a steady position like web designers working at a firm or at a company. Your job security lasts until you finish the job and then after that, you're a gypsy looking for work elsewhere. You're still going to be doing the same job with one employer as you did from the one before, but their requirements and expectations will be different. But if you correlate that to a job with more security, in a field like that, you're going to have a wide range of clients that you need to meet requirements and expectations for regardless.

But it's really, really not basically doing small jobs here and there like household chores.

It's hard. It's really, really hard. And you're more than likely freelancing until you can land a more stable job in that field. It's almost always going to be your primary focus in your life, and you'll likely have a part time job in the meantime to help pay the bills because freelance just isn't cutting it. Not the other way around. If you love something enough to freelance your skills until you can get a stable job, then you get all my respect.

 

[Oryx]

Don't all sorts of maturity and wisdom deal with real life experiences the same as one another? And by this logic, shouldn't you consider the learned maturity and intuitive wisdom equally?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Wisdom is, by definition, not intuitive. Intuitive wisdom is an oxymoron.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Wisdom is, by definition, not intuitive. Intuitive wisdom is an oxymoron.

I beg to differ. One can be wise without age. It may not be entirely open between ages, but the brackets between age and maturity are definitely bendable.

 

[Oryx]

I beg to differ. One can be wise without age. It may not be entirely open between ages, but the brackets between age and maturity are definitely bendable.

I stand corrected, there is in fact one definition of wisdom that doesn't inherently include lived experience; that is, the "ability to discern inner qualities and relationships" as defined by Merriam-Webster. Every other definition does, so if you're referring directly to that definition then it's not an oxymoron.

I never said some young people can't be mature. Just that I haven't interacted with one that's on the level of the average 20+ person yet.

 

[☆Rei☆]

Uhhh, you come across as giving the attitude that you think freelance jobs are just like lol and don't require any work at all and are just a hobby, when that isn't the case for most people.

I treat everything I do as a hobby. I don't know about you but for me it's easier for me to do something I think of as enjoyable rather than something tedious I do just for money.

 

[Sir Codin]

Wow, hats off, man. I can't do that.

Everything I do that's work-related I treat only as a means to get money, because otherwise I view it as a waste of life. I could just work part-time during the summer and be content with just scrapping by with paying rent and having enough for food, but I went full-time even though I'll be torturing myself with boredom...all because I want a Playstation 4.

 

[Oryx]

I treat everything I do as a hobby. I don't know about you but for me it's easier for me to do something I think of as enjoyable rather than something tedious I do just for money.

Even working in what you love is still work. It's not a hobby just because you like it.

The two conversations going on here at once are completely connected to each other.

 

[☆Rei☆]

Even working in what you love is still work. It's not a hobby just because you like it.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't treat it like one. I will continue to treat it like one the day someone that hired me said I didn't do a good job. Then I will act more serious.

 

[Oryx]

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't treat it like one. I will continue to treat it like one the day someone that hired me said I didn't do a good job. Then I will act more serious.

Is this coming from experience in working in a field you love or assumption from guessing what you might act like working in a field you love?

 

[Sir Codin]

You will never work in a field you enjoy and even if it is a field you enjoy, someone will make sure it will suck.

There is no hope.

 

[☆Rei☆]

Is this coming from experience in working in a field you love or assumption from guessing what you might act like working in a field you love?

Well, it's hard to say I program a lot of things for various people, but I don't actually get paid for it and if I do it's a very small amount.

 

[Oryx]

Well, it's hard to say I program a lot of things for various people, but I don't actually get paid for it and if I do it's a very small amount.

So...the answer is you haven't had a real job in the industry. This is how these two conversations are related; you are completely unqualified to tell other people how they should treat their jobs when you have never had to even attempt to treat a job in the way you advise. :/

 

[Sir Codin]

Well, it's hard to say I program a lot of things for various people, but I don't actually get paid for it and if I do it's a very small amount.

Wow, you're doing something like that for little to no pay?

That's lame. No, I'm being serious, if you're any good at programming, you are currently committing the act of "underselling yourself."

 

[☆Rei☆]

you are completely unqualified to tell other people how they should treat their jobs when you have never had to even attempt to treat a job in the way you advise. :/

I don't think I told anyone how to treat their jobs, and if I did I'm sorry and didn't mean that at all.

As for when I do get a job, I'll treat it the same. If it doesn't work out I'll admit you're right no problem.

Wow, you're doing something like that for little to no pay?

That's lame. No, I'm being serious, if you're any good at programming, you are currently committing the act of "underselling yourself."

I don't consider myself either good nor bad at programming, all I say is I know how to.

 

[Oryx]

I don't think I told anyone how to treat their jobs, and if I did I'm sorry and didn't mean that at all.

As for when I do get a job, I'll treat it the same. If it doesn't work out I'll admit you're right no problem.

It's not a hobby just because you like it.

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't treat it like one.

You did tell people how they should treat their jobs, actually.

I can guarantee that doing what you love for a job is far different from a hobby. You don't need to wait until you've graduated college and have started a job in something you love; I am here, doing something I love as a job. It is not a hobby and you absolutely can't treat it as such. You will get fired or quit, depending on your personality, if you do that.

 

[☆Rei☆]

You did tell people how they should treat their jobs, actually.

Well, that was a complete mistake on my end. It's funny how one word can make a complete misunderstanding. xD

Anyways, I meant to say "I" there and not "you".

Anyways as for the rest, I can completely see where you're getting at.

 

[Alexander Nicholi]

So...the answer is you haven't had a real job in the industry. This is how these two conversations are related; you are completely unqualified to tell other people how they should treat their jobs when you have never had to even attempt to treat a job in the way you advise. :/

I don't exactly understand what you're getting at by tying the two conversations together. :?

 

[Taemin]

You will never work in a field you enjoy and even if it is a field you enjoy, someone will make sure it will suck.

There is no hope.

There are people like in every job, but that shouldn't lessen anyone's motivation for doing something that they love.

 

[Nick]

I treat everything I do as a hobby. I don't know about you but for me it's easier for me to do something I think of as enjoyable rather than something tedious I do just for money.

I mean, I think that's a good thing that you do that so long as you don't let the overrun you in a business and settle for less for too long, because that's what usually happens. I speak from experience, since in all of my jobs I tried to treat it less of a job and more of a hobby, and I got taken advantage of by management because of that. But if you're working a job, it isn't a hobby. You're working to earn a living, not to kill some hours because you're bored and want to enjoy yourself. This is just a matter of linguistics and technicalities, though, and far from the point I was trying to make in my post.

 

[Sir Codin]

Indeed, I find it odd that anyone would do anything work-related for free.