OU support team PLEASE RATE

[MagicMarc]

Azelf@Focus Sash
Levitate
Naive
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

U-turn
Psychic
Stealth Rocks
Taunt

Lead. Can use U-Turn to scout out counters and get in a light hit. STAB Psychic works well against Speedy Leads.


Heatran@Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Fire Blast
Earth Power
Hidden Power Ice
Explosion

Revenge Killer. Not much to explain here

Kogekiss@Leftovers
Serene Grace
Modest
252 HP / 152 SpA / 104 Spe

Nasty Plot
Baton Pass
Air Slash
Aura Sphere

Sweeper with the power to baton pass to one of my special sweepers.


Celebi@Leftovers
Natural Cure
Bold
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

U-Turn
Grass Knot
Perish Song
Recover

Gets Perish Song Going And starts the deadly switch in and out phase. Good stall killer with perish song


Blissey@Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD

Wish
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave

Special wall and healer.


Zapdos@Choice Scarf
Pressure
Timid
80 HP / 252 SpA / 176 Spe

Thunderbolt
Hidden Power Ice
Heat Wave
U-turn

Sweeper/Revenge killer/dragon or steel wall counter. Gets in and gets the job done, also can use its speed and U-Turn to its advantage.


This team Revolves around supporting each other, switching frequently, and the perish song. Azelf assures that the opponent doesnt get out rocks at the beginning and gets rocks out. This team will force many switches (due to powerful revenge killers adn the perish song) All of the pokemon on my team will be able to use U-Turn or baton pass to effectively switch before the perish song faints them. I kindof threw this team together quickly so it probably has a lot of holes in it. PLEASE HELP ME MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER. I think it has a good strategy behind it but it still needs some work. Ninjask was also an option gue to its speed, baton passing, and U-Turn

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

Very weak Team to Staelth Rock, CBTar devastates alone a whole team. Replace Celebi with Lucario.

 

[gee2k8]

Blissey@Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD

Wish
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave

Special wall and healer.

Unless i am mistaken there is no need for any SpA Evs on this Blissey as its not using any special attacks.

 

[wolf]

Azelf works better on a offensive team, as this team cannot afford to start out 5-6. I suggest a bulky lead, like Swampert, and Swampert heals your Tyranitar weakness some. If you decide to keep Azelf, use Fire Blast over Psychic, as hitting Steel-types like Bronzong, Metagross, Jirachi (even though some of them beat you regardless, it is better when leading as Psychic does nothing majority of the time). Also do Grass Knot over U-turn, hitting Swampert is a good bonus, and can even knock around Tyranitar a bit. Explosion is another choice. U-turn would not be efficient enough because Azelf mainly just dies after Taunting and setting-up SR, but it does not suck on Azelf entirely.

You already have Heatran as a revenge killer, and I think that is enough. So, Zapdos should run Life Orb with Roost over U-turn then, and change its EVs to 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe. You can also leave Zapdos as a Scarf user, and change Heatran (but preferably Zapdos changed as keeping ScarfTran keeps Lucario at bay a bit).

Move those 80 SpA EVs to SpD on Blissey, since you have no special attacks.

 

[Anti]

I thought Lucario could set-up on Tyranitar, definitely when Tyranitar is locked in on one of its two STABs. Other than the Dragon Dance set though (the other sets Tyranitar can Fire Blast, etc, but you can just outrun and KO with CC). Taking out his only form of physical sweeping is inviting Blissey. :\

To be fair, risking Lucario with Tyranitar is still better Blissey defense than what he has now, which is all basically Blissey fodder. All special attackers is just eating this team alive., so Lucario couldn't hurt.

The problem with this team is that it's clearly trying to be more of a defensive team (though not full stall), but you're using Pokemon that are normally used on offensive teams to accomplish your goal. Suicide Azelf just doesn't work unless there are powerful sweepers backing it up (Heatran and Zapdos don't count because of how weak they are), and the same is true for NP passing Togekiss. Both of those need to be replaced, and at least one of the Choice Scarfers needs to have its moveset changed or just be replaced altogether.

Also, you need a physical attacking presence. Lucario was mentioned before and could work, and it's a good Tyranitar check. You could also use CB Scizor since it keeps your team a stop ahead with U-Turn, bugs Tyranitar, and is generally a very useful Pokemon against a number of threats. I mean, if you do the replacements I suggested, you'll have a lot of space to fill, so it shouldn't be hard to make your team more of a unit than 6 Pokemon that don't go together well.

 

[wolf]

Never mind, I thought Loeb was saying to replace Lucario with Celebi. x_x

 

[Chaostorm]

Bah , that Zapdos sure sucks

Zapdos @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Modest / Pressure
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
- Agility
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
- Roost

just 1 Agility makes Zappy outrun any Scarf variants .

and lol at that Celebi set . use SD Luke , you dont have a Physical Sweeper to tear Blissey.

I shall say , this team is walled by Blissey ...

 

[MagicMarc]

Unless i am mistaken there is no need for any SpA Evs on this Blissey as its not using any special attacks.

yes my apologies for that one that was an edit i forgot to change

Swampert@Leftovers
Torrent
Impish
252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def

Earthquake
Avalanche
Stealth Rock
Protect

Bulkey Water lead for SR. Physical Wall Avalanche For ground type counters.




Heatran@Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Naive
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Fire Blast
Earth Power
Hidden Power Ice
Explosion

Revenge Killer. Not much to explain here




Tyranitar@Leftovers
Sand Stream
Adamant
104 HP / 144 Atk / 72 Def / 188 Spe

Dragon Dance
Counter
Stone Edge
Earthquake

The Pokemon that this team used to fear the most has now joined it. He knows Counter to deal a OHKO to common Tyranitar Counters such as Scizor.




Lucario@Life Orb
Inner focus
Adment
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extremespeed
Crunch

Lucario is used as a late game Sweeper. His high speed combined with one or two swords dances he can OHKO many pokemon with a STAB Close Combat or be sure to sneak in the first attack with extremespeed. Crunch for the ghost/psychic pokemon. if he gets low on health i will switch in blissey use wish and then switch back in.




Blissey@Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD

Wish
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave

Special wall and healer.




Zapdos@Life Orb
Pressure
Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP

Agility
Thunderbolt
Heat Wave
Roost

As a former revenge killer on the team, Zappy is now a special Sweeper. With roost to keep em going

Well this team got a major makeover so to speak, Once an epic failed attempt at a deffensive team now operates as more of a Physical sweeper team. Browsing through it i see that it could be weak to some dragons or Swampert. Any help guys?

thanks for the help guys i appreciate it

 

[Skip Shot]

Congratulations- this team has a brilliant Latias weak. CM Latias especially will tear you apart with no sure counters. HP Fire kills Lucario, your only true answer for Latias.

What to do?

Tyranitar can absorb most of Latias' attacks well and hit back with STAB Crunch, use Crunch>> Counter.

You also fail to do anything against Swampert. The Speed Tank set I posted in your other RMT works well against Pert when HP Grass is run.

 

[MagicMarc]

Congratulations- this team has a brilliant Latias weak. CM Latias especially will tear you apart with no sure counters. HP Fire kills Lucario, your only true answer for Latias.

What to do?

Tyranitar can absorb most of Latias' attacks well and hit back with STAB Crunch, use Crunch>> Counter.

You also fail to do anything against Swampert. The Speed Tank set I posted in your other RMT works well against Pert when HP Grass is run.

ok thanks
My any chance do you know the IV spread for a zapdos to learn HP Grass?

 

[Jake♫]

Blissey should probably have aromatherapy too

Not really, he has two members with Natural Cure, so status shouldn't be a problem.

HP Grass>Agility on Zapdos. Swampert (Like Skip Shot) said kills it, and you have no answer to it anyways. HP Grass will do the job nicely.

I'll come back later when I have the time/feel like it XD

 

[MagicMarc]

Not really, he has two members with Natural Cure, so status shouldn't be a problem.

HP Grass>Agility on Zapdos. Swampert (Like Skip Shot) said kills it, and you have no answer to it anyways. HP Grass will do the job nicely.

I'll come back later when I have the time/feel like it XD

yes zappy now knows hidden power ice and Heatran has Hidden power grass tho im thinking of swapping them.

The team has had another big switch
Tyranitar now holds the CB and has more offensive moves and lucario was replaced with a deffensive Gliscor

I will either repost or Post on a different Thread soon

 

[Ineffable~]

Nice team overall, but I most reinforce gee2k8's point that there is in fact no need for offensive EVs on Blissey at all, let alone Special Attack. There are no Attacks except for Seismic Toss, which does a set amount of HP. O.O And on Azelf, you should try out Fire Blast or Flamethrower rather than Psychic.

 

[MagicMarc]

Nice team overall, but I most reinforce gee2k8's point that there is in fact no need for offensive EVs on Blissey at all, let alone Special Attack. There are no Attacks except for Seismic Toss, which does a set amount of HP. O.O And on Azelf, you should try out Fire Blast or Flamethrower rather than Psychic.

yeah sorry the blissey issue was taken care of long ago, me just being absent minded posted it again with special attack EVs