PC needs changes

[Ryoutarou]

I'm going to say this blunt and I'm going to say it now, because it's getting old and it's getting old fast. People are bitter, people are paranoid. You guys don't know what goes on in the lounge, you guys don't know what goes on in HQ. So, I don't see how you can judge any of what goes on being done by that. People that say I was being unfair by rebanning Lion Heart, well guess what? It's called ban evasion and that sure won't help his situation. So stop looking for faults in ourselves and start noticing the blatant ones in yourselves.

Lion Heart was first brought up by a mod to us because he noticed a bad attitude in the guys posting. And the bad attitude continued going when he couldn't keep his opinions in line. Once again, even if you do think he was unbanned fairly, he is still evading a ban, so he breaks one rule and expects to be unbanned? No, not going to happen.

As for friendships with the staff, that's total paranoia. Just being friends with someone doesn't mean anything. I didn't know any staff members when I was first modded, and now because I've had a chance to make friends among the staff now that means everything we do is biased? Hell no, if you think that we shouldn't be able to have friends in the staff, then that just isn't going to happen.

 

[Kurosaki]

I don't understand how some mods can mod a forum they act so negatively towards. I've been wondering that for a while now, but in the last few threads in CQ&F I've read, they've really brought me to ask. How can you mod a forum in which you act so negativley towards? How can you mod if you lack faith in our Senior Staff, yet continue to mod anyways. Don't they have any sense of honor? Where exactly do their loyalties lie?

Now, you guys say things like "The staff are always fighting" which is false. We sometimes get into fights, I'll admit that, but the causes of those fights, amung other things, are caused by those negative mods.

 

[Pincushion]

I'm not protecting anyone, in my opinion, the moderators/administrators are the ones who haven't done anything, I've always felt an eqaulity between members here at PC. I do think this thread is pointless, and I haven't got a clue what you're going on about, its all just magical stuff you'd like to think was happening at PC.

 

[Brittany]

Hmm...

But also, it's the entire atmosphere. All the locked threads here in Q&F... back when I was a moderator here, S-Kun yelled at me if I locked too many. And now they're all locked, which looks really bad - as if the staff don't care anything for the member's thoughts.

Don't look at me, I only lock threads when a question has been answered, a flame war breaks out, or it's a spam thread. Really, for most other threads, it's up to the admin to decide what's right- I cannot break their locks, nor do I have the member support you once had to make drastic decisions without the fear of being demodded.(I clearly remember you fearlessly breaking many locks :P)

Yeah so Steve deffiantly reevaluate all the banned members because I suspect some of those people banned were banned for the wrong reasons.

I think that some of the bans are questionable, but I won't say they're exactly for the wrong reasons.

 

[KLS]

We promote people who are loyal to PC and who we believe are active and mature enough to be able to handle problems.

Your kidding me right? Active and Mature.... Half the mods here are practically mods because of their "friendship" with the higher staff. If you guys truly pick on the "mature" mods then how come some of the mods here were banned before but they SUDDENLY became a mod? *gasp*, I think that's a baseless statement. I guess NiNGi was right, PC's all about popularity and whatnot.

 

[Brittany]

I don't care what I am saying

Your kidding me right? Active and Mature.... Half the mods here are practically mods because of their "friendship" with the higher staff. If you guys truly pick on the "mature" mods then how come some of the mods here were banned before but they SUDDENLY became a mod? *gasp*, I think that's a baseless statement. I guess NiNGi was right, PC's all about popularity and whatnot.

I wouldn't say half of them, and all mods seriously have some basis around their forum to support their position.

But I am seriously ticked-off because of staff members like Mihara not even considering the possibility of a fault from within themselves. Just read his post in this thread- he demands more out of others than he would out of himself. That along with the fact that he cusses in every other post on PC.. he won't be removed though, or that action even being considered, because of a large fanbase on PC who just ignores these faults. But what about the portion of the community that pays attention to what's actually happening?

 

[Pincushion]

So is this thread ment because you're all having a hissy fit because you're not moderators of PC? Because its beginning to look that way, PC is run how the Admins want it to be, you cannot change that, if you all dislike it so much, leave, and stop with the immaturity.

 

[Claire]

KLS, you state that but don't show any proof o.o; we DO NOT MOD ON THE BASIS OF FRIENDSHIP. We can't all know every member that we promote, we each have different friendship groups. You don't even know how many times we've each had to do background checks on posts because we don't know them. At least get your facts straight..

Brittany, there is nothing wrong o.o; we mod based on ability, we promote based on ability. And when on earth has blue sworn or being abusive since being a praetor? o.o; you haven't been around much anymore, so you don't know what goes on :/

 

[Blaze]

Okay look,

You can tell us all that PC is doing well but is it isn't PC is actually NOT the biggest Pokemon Forum, there are some bigger then PC in size.

Don't deny the friendship thing because we know it is true, and I personally wasn't targeting you Claire because I don't think your that kind of person.

This board needs to be LESS democratic and more based on its orginal ideas of a community model, and I don't believe that praetors and what not should veto a community site (main admin's) decision especially Steve and Kwesi.

So don't tell me it is all fine and dandy and that we don't know what is going on in HQ, because guess what people leak all the time like Andy's post to Abby in the staff lounge. After awhile we all saw it, so clearly there are alot of issues you need to own up to before you can fix them.

 

[Claire]

Don't deny the friendship thing because we know it is true, and I personally wasn't targeting you Claire because I don't think your that kind of person.

We each have an equal say, so i'm involved in all modding, blaze. If you're attacking the others for friendship, you're attacking me too. We do not mod for friendship.

You want it less democratic? Then what? A dictatorship?

 

[Kurosaki]

You fail to grasp the fact that we make friends with the staff AFTER we get modded, not before. I've seen it before. Someone gets modded, becomes close with a higher staff member, and then someone jealous of the one who got modded starts a rumor saying they only got modded cause they were friends with a higher staff member.

 

[Blaze]

Actually it was something Steve said (not literally less democratic) but more like the Community Sites run it than anyone else.

And Claire there have been people who got modship because of who they were friends with, I even heard of people telling me they were sucking up to someone so they would be modded (and it worked)

 

[Claire]

Blaze, you do realise that myself and Steve are the only main root admins that are around? The reason for having red admins is to help the amount of people who are judging and looking after PC. They have just as much say :/

And Claire there have been people who got modship because of who they were friends with, I even heard of people telling me they were sucking up to someone so they would be modded (and it worked)

Someone? Blaze, it's a democracy, we all agree on the mod, it's not one person going behind the others backs and promoting someone. It would've been for their posts, not their sucking up, because they would've had to get through the rest of us.

 

[Pincushion]

Why is this made out to all be so dramatic it is not, Okay PC may not be the biggest Pokemon forum, but nobody said that did they? Perhaps the Admins mod there friends more than random people, but perhaps thats because they know them well, they like there posts, and they are good mods, did you ever think about that?

I honestly don't think that they would do that anyway, okay I may not know the whole facts of the matter, I freely admit to that, but I know alot of the moderators and administrators, they are all very mature people, who deserve there position.

Nobody has anything to own up to, because it hasn't got anything to do with PC, Okay maybe the members, but not the boards, so why bring it up? If you all need to settle somthing do it somewhere else, not at PC, I can tell that this has been brung up, because maybe some of your friends at PC have got banned for reasons, but that doesn't mean you can make it out to be somthing else, this is seriously ridiculous, some of the accusations that have been made here are just plain stupid.

 

[Dawson]

You fail to grasp the fact that we make friends with the staff AFTER we get modded, not before. I've seen it before. Someone gets modded, becomes close with a higher staff member, and then someone jealous of the one who got modded starts a rumor saying they only got modded cause they were friends with a higher staff member.

Exactly. Before I was modded, I knew none of the staff and none of the staff really knew me. If people were modded because of friendships then half of us wouldn't be mods at all.

 

[Brittany]

So is this thread ment because you're all having a hissy fit because you're not moderators of PC? Because its beginning to look that way, PC is run how the Admins want it to be, you cannot change that, if you all dislike it so much, leave, and stop with the immaturity.

That's not what they're trying to do, atleast not exactly.
You see, we can change how PC is run, if the Admins agree with what is said. But this is happening just as it has in the past. People with a bit too much pride not willing to admit to some faults, although they can point out every other fault they see in a member.

And what does that create? Members that really want staff members out of their position, and speak about it openly. And what does the staff do? Well, take it as you please, but they enforce bans, say some nice words to the members, and wait for it to happen all over again. And it's perfectly normal to see this happen once in a while- but on the scale to which it has happened on PC? Surely, this isn't just a repeating mistake anymore- it's a little bit of bias that some of them won't admit to. And you see, we're right back where we started.

We each have an equal say, so i'm involved in all modding, blaze. If you're attacking the others for friendship, you're attacking me too. We do not mod for friendship.

Not even considering the possibility of a couple friendship oriented mods?

You want it less democratic? Then what? A dictatorship?

Surely there are less drastic approaches...

 

[Blaze]

Claire,

This threat is not here to attack anyone especially Community Site Admins, others might use it for that but I will not.

I was asked to make a thread and I did, I am sorry I am speaking my mind but I believe people should understand why alot of the old members are gone.

And if friendship modships and power abuse wasn't a issue here then why would people agree with us? Why would Steve even let this open?

PC needs changes plain and simple

 

[Claire]

No, brittany, because we have a little something called 'trust', brittany. You cannot see the HQ, noone apart from the higher staff knows what's going on, so you are making inferences that you know nothing about..

Blaze, we run PC fine. You expect all the old members to stay forever? People grow up, their lives move on.
You keep saying "PC needs to change!" ..without even giving reasons why, or how. If we left all decisions up to blue admins, barely anything would get done.

Everyone, listen. Those on the negative side, you are making judgments based on negative gossip. You haven't seen the HQ threads, nor do you know what goes on in there. I am telling you from the bottom of my heart that we make mod decisions based on who we think is best for the job. If you'd rather believe gossip from people who can't even see the HQ, then that's your decision.
We can't hold on to every member that we gain, because people are free to live their lived how they want. If they want to leave, then they are free to. There's no need to suggest drastic changes to try and force people to stay.
Whether you believe me is up to you, all that i can do is tell you the truth.

 

[Brittany]

No, brittany, because we have a little something called 'trust', brittany. You cannot see the HQ, noone apart from the higher staff knows what's going on, so you are making inferences that you know nothing about..

Trust? To be completely honest with you, because of decisions in the past, many members don't have their trust in the PC staff anymore.

And I know nothing about what's going on? I know that PC's greatest Admin was abused by members that eventually took high positions in the PC staff. And nobody wants to admit that they could even have had the smallest fault in the issue. If I remember correctly, Abby admitted to alot of her own faults, and these members found a way to twist them against her- to make her say and do things to PC that she never would have normally done.

Everyone, listen. Those on the negative side, you are making judgments based on negative gossip. You haven't seen the HQ threads, nor do you know what goes on in there. I am telling you from the bottom of my heart that we make mod decisions based on who we think is best for the job. If you'd rather believe gossip from people who can't even see the HQ, then that's your decision.
We can't hold on to every member that we gain, because people are free to live their lived how they want. If they want to leave, then they are free to. There's no need to suggest drastic changes to try and force people to stay.
Whether you believe me is up to you, all that i can do is tell you the truth.

This is exactly the talk I was refferring to in my previous post. Happening almost exactly how I described it- history repeats itself!

 

[Claire]

Brittany, that whole situation was split with that topic, so don't revive an old issue.
You want to not trust us because of that, without even seeing the HQ threads and discussions? Fine. Your choice. But I did see all the discussions.

Now, as i've already done, *locks*