6th Gen Pokemon Bank

[Nah]

I agree with Introvert. Legal hacking? Hacking shouldn't be legal, at all.

Hackers should be permanently banned online. No exceptions. Sure they could just buy another game and do it all over again, but they have to fork out £30 every time so that's helping Nintendo anyway ha.

What about someone who ends up with a hacked Pokemon, doesn't know it, then is banned when they try to use it? That hardly sounds fair to me.

 

[Sceptile14]

Pfft legal hacks. Hacking to get the best possible Pokemon is no better than hacking your rank in cod and unlocking all the weapons and perks without going through the grind and earning them the way everyone is meant to. It's unfair to the players who do take the time to get their Pokemon legitimately. And believe it or not your time is no more precious than anyone else's. The people who put in the effort into breeding their Pokemon should be able to reap the benefits, not every noob hacker with a pokesav.

Firstly,I never said my time was better then anyone elses did I? No. That just makes me sound arrogant. Of course, mine isn't more precious then anyone elses, it's just that I've got a lot of other things to do. Homework, a social life, different games etc. My whole life doesn't revolve around Pokemon, you know? Secondly, yes it is cheating in a sense, but if it was actually fun to do it, then I wouldn't be using pokegen. It's not my fault that gamefreak made breeding so monotonous(I will give them credit though, they are trying to improve and I will respect that) Plus, at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter. If you are hell bent on breeding a perfect iv Pokemon then be my guest. You can feel that sense of accomplishment and I will be happy for you. But for me, I just don't want to spend hours of my free time, pushing left and right on the analog stick. I'd rather get that done quickly using pokegen.

 

[RedWar]

Pfft legal hacks. Hacking to get the best possible Pokemon is no better than hacking your rank in cod and unlocking all the weapons and perks without going through the grind and earning them the way everyone is meant to. It's unfair to the players who do take the time to get their Pokemon legitimately. And believe it or not your time is no more precious than anyone else's. The people who put in the effort into breeding their Pokemon should be able to reap the benefits, not every noob hacker with a pokesav.

Easy to say that "your time is no more precious than anyone else's" but it depends on what you consider the end goal of the game.

For me the end goal is playing Pokemon Battles against other battlers. I'm only just getting into competitive Pokemon but it's something I'm enjoying. The problem? How time intensive it is to get there. Let's assume a few hours for breeding and training a perfect Pokemon, so each team, with no alterations to EVs, etc, will take 18 hours. So to mix things up a bit let's say I want a min of 3 teams (again with no sub options) that gives 54 hours play time.

I have a full time job (including commute I am out of the house for 13 hours a day), a 3 month old baby and a wife that take up 95% of my awake time. Not counting over the current xmas hols (where he has grandparents around to take time and I'm not in work) that gives me MAYBE an hour of play a day, at most.

I want to spend that hour playing what I enjoy in the game, the online battling. Not spending it doing on third of one Pokemon - or 1/18th of a team.

So is my time more precious? In general terms, no, everyone's time is (or at least should be) equal. In terms of scarcity (an important economic point given you were the one who decided to value time), yes - certainly I have less time to play it than a student.

So do I believe in legal hacking? Last gen I used it, but tbh I'm enjoying there not being a huge influx of over powered hacks so I'm loathe to see a return (though plenty of comments about that having already happened with the Jap Pokebank release). Certainly I can see why people do it. Now? Haven't decided which way I'm going to go when Pokebank returns and I get access to legal hacks from the previous generations.

 

[Sceptile14]

I agree with Introvert. Legal hacking? Hacking shouldn't be legal, at all.

Hackers should be permanently banned online. No exceptions. Sure they could just buy another game and do it all over again, but they have to fork out £30 every time so that's helping Nintendo anyway ha.

A bit extreme don't you think? Permanently banning someone from online privileges just because they want to save time instead of wasting it? To me, as long as the hack in the end, has legit ivs and evs, it should be considered as a legal hack. Not in the traditional terms of how it was obtained, but in its stats and moves. If it has legal moves, and stats, why should it be so much of a problem?

 

[Layla-Mai]

Pfft legal hacks. Hacking to get the best possible Pokemon is no better than hacking your rank in cod and unlocking all the weapons and perks without going through the grind and earning them the way everyone is meant to. It's unfair to the players who do take the time to get their Pokemon legitimately. And believe it or not your time is no more precious than anyone else's. The people who put in the effort into breeding their Pokemon should be able to reap the benefits, not every noob hacker with a pokesav.

I don't really care if people want to use legal hacks, I still don't, but to the bolded bit... Not everyone actually has the time. Someone who is still in school or a teenager more than likely has more free time. Between work, my relationship, attempting to see friends and my animals/vet vists, ect, I wouldn't have time to breed a load of perfect Pokemon. That's fine, I don't battle because I'm useless at it ^_^ But I can see why other people wouldn't want to waste the small amount of free time they do have breeding.

 

[Sceptile14]

If you don't like spending time to get good Pokémon, then maybe Pokémon is just not the right game for you. Raising Pokémon is what makes Pokémon what it is. Despite it being so easy to create Pokémon, I doubt this is the way the creators want the game to be played. Therefore, if Nintendo does find a way to block these so called legal Pokémon, they have the right to use it, whatever arguments you're going to use. Too bad for those who want to bypass the biggest part of the game, but so be it. I mean, They already made breeding and EV training easier and less time consuming for y'all.

You're right, gamefreak, has the right to stop it. That's an undisputed fact, but currently, they are not.

Breeding is NOT the biggest part of the game. Battling is, and I'd rather get straight into battling then wasting my time breeding for the perfect Pokemon.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Hacking is cheating. If you aren't going to do it right don't bother doing it at all. If its hacked it isn't legal even if it has normal stats and all hacked Pokemon should be blocked. If you are going to cheat then there is no point to playing a game.

 

[Chaos_Angel]

If you are so busy maybe you should spend time doing things that are important to you rather than playing Pokemon or pick a less time consuming hobby. Pokemon is a game designed to be engaging, time consuming, and for children. I know this and as a 23 year old I recognize that there are other things I could/should be doing. I don't do those other things cause I'd rather play Pokemon. Cheating is never right. I don't care about the circumstances. Life isn't fair and then you die.

For the other Comment that people who get hacks would also be punished: If Nintendo did the hack checks correctly then the person who made the hack would never have had the chance to get the hack out into the general population. So until Nintendo can get a better system in place to ensure that then stronger penalties should not be enforced. If they could manage it though, then by all means punish to the fullest extent of the law ( whatever it is)

 

[Sceptile14]

Hacking is cheating. If you aren't going to do it right don't bother doing it at all. If its hacked it isn't legal even if it has normal stats and all hacked Pokemon should be blocked. If you are going to cheat then there is no point to playing a game.

But what if I enjoy battling, but haven't got time to breed for the perfect Pokemon? If breeding was the only thing to do in the game then I would agree that there is no point in playing the game, but there is also battling, so whether you hack, or not, there is still something to do after you have got the Pokemon.

 

[Outlier]

Easy to say that "your time is no more precious than anyone else's" but it depends on what you consider the end goal of the game.

For me the end goal is playing Pokemon Battles against other battlers. I'm only just getting into competitive Pokemon but it's something I'm enjoying. The problem? How time intensive it is to get there. Let's assume a few hours for breeding and training a perfect Pokemon, so each team, with no alterations to EVs, etc, will take 18 hours. So to mix things up a bit let's say I want a min of 3 teams (again with no sub options) that gives 54 hours play time.

I have a full time job, a 3 month old baby and a wife that take up 95% of my awake time. Not counting over the current xmas hols (where he has grandparents around to take time and I'm not in work) that gives me MAYBE an hour of play a day, at most.

I want to spend that hour playing what I enjoy in the game, the online battling. Not spending it doing on third of one Pokemon - or 1/18th of a team.

So is my time more precious? In general terms, no, everyone's time is (or at least should be) equal. In terms of scarcity (an important economic point given you were the one who decided to value time), yes - certainly I have less time to play it than a student.

So do I believe in legal hacking? Last gen I used it, but tbh I'm enjoying there not being a huge influx of over powered hacks so I'm loathe to see a return (though plenty of comments about that having already happened with the Jap Pokebank release). Certainly I can see why people do it. Now? Haven't decided which way I'm going to go when Pokebank returns and I get access to legal hacks from the previous generations.

I couldn't even get through your whole post. Your self absorbed narcissism was getting too much for me to bear. To be honest I don't care what your end goal or job situation is, your disposition shouldn't grant you the right to hack a competitive game. You're not the only one with responsibilities and commitments so spare me your sob story. I'm not comparing the importance of a video game to holding down a job or supporting your family and besides that's neither here nor there.

Either use the Pokemon you have the time to obtain legally or stay away from battling online altogether. Perhaps as the other guy suggested Pokemon isn't the game for you if you find it too time consuming. Either way I'm sick of hackers stinking up the metagame with their illegal pokemon. It's not fair. Period.

 

[Layla-Mai]

If you are so busy maybe you should spend time doing things that are important to you rather than playing Pokemon or pick a less time consuming hobby. Pokemon is a game designed to be engaging, time consuming, and for children. I know this and as a 23 year old I recognize that there are other things I could/should be doing. I don't do those other things cause I'd rather play Pokemon. Cheating is never right. I don't care about the circumstances. Life isn't fair and then you die.

For the other Comment that people who get hacks would also be punished: If Nintendo did the hack checks correctly then the person who made the hack would never have had the chance to get the hack out into the general population. So until Nintendo can get a better system in place to ensure that then stronger penalties should not be enforced. If they could manage it though, then by all means punish to the fullest extent of the law ( whatever it is)

But Pokemon is important to me. You can't help what you enjoy. I've played since Gen 1 and I'm not going to give up something I love just because I have other things to do in life too. And all hobbys end up time consuming if you enjoy them. My other hobby can keep me out the house for up to 13 or so hours a day when I'm competing, so if I wanted to come home and have a quick battle of a game I love I wouldn't feel bad for using a pokesav'd Pokemon as long as it wasn't overpowered.
I'm a collector rather than a battler so hacks are useless to me, but when I have tried it in the past, I used some pokesav'd pokemon to practise. It was only with a friend who knew they were sav'd, but I didn't win so clearly it isn't an unfair advantage!

 

[Xander Olivieri]

But what if I enjoy battling, but haven't got time to breed for the perfect Pokemon? If breeding was the only thing to do in the game then I would agree that there is no point in playing the game, but there is also battling, so whether you hack, or not, there is still something to do after you have got the Pokemon.

You don't need to breed to battle. Go catch random things legitly and stop cheating. If you want to win at battles then you invest in it, not cheat. If you don't want to do it the right way, then don't play.

 

[Sceptile14]

I couldn't even get through your whole post. Your self absorbed narcissism was getting too much for me to bear. To be honest I don't care what your end goal or job situation is, your disposition shouldn't grant you the right to hack a competitive game. You're not the only one with responsibilities and commitments so spare me your sob story. I'm not comparing the importance of a video game to holding down a job or supporting your family and besides that's neither here nor there.

Either use the Pokemon you have the time to obtain legally or stay away from battling online altogether. Perhaps as the other guy suggested Pokemon isn't the game for you if you find it too time consuming. Either way I'm sick of hackers stinking up the metagame with their illegal pokemon. It's not fair. Period.

But at the end of the day, you don't 100% know that the Pokemon is hacked because it has legal stats, so why should it matter? Just because we are saving time, doesn't mean that it is unfair. You could do it if you like but you choose not to. If you had no access to it whatsoever, and we did, then it would be unfair, but that isn't the case, so why is it such a problem? I really don't understand why saving time should stop me from doing something that I find fun.

You don't need to breed to battle. Go catch random things legitly and stop cheating. If you want to win at battles then you invest in it, not cheat. If you don't want to do it the right way, then don't play.

True, but then that puts me at a big disadvantage. If I really tried then I could still win, but it isn't as fun as having battle ready Pokemon ,that you have full confidence in.
You are really using the term cheating loosely. The definition of cheating is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. The key word here is advantage. I am not gaining any advantage over anyone. It's not like people breeding legitimately can't get the same results as I can, so again, why is it such a big problem?

 

[RedWar]

If you are so busy maybe you should spend time doing things that are important to you rather than playing Pokemon or pick a less time consuming hobby. Pokemon is a game designed to be engaging, time consuming, and for children. I know this and as a 23 year old I recognize that there are other things I could/should be doing. I don't do those other things cause I'd rather play Pokemon. Cheating is never right. I don't care about the circumstances. Life isn't fair and then you die.

I hope you remember how you are about people spending their free time doing things they enjoy when you have children. I want to spend my hour of free time in whatever manner I wish, and ideally in as fun a manner as possible. And since it is generally at about 10pm when my wife and baby are asleep it usually means having a TV show on catch up whilst playing a game or browsing the internet. My game of choice is Pokemon, and it's battling I enjoy.

It is no longer the preserve of the "children" only. Game Freak stopped it being so a long time ago. The 2013 VGC had a "Master" division for 16 y/o's+. So let's toss the "it's a child's game" out the window shall we.

As for cheating being cheating, you seem to see the world in terms of black and white...no shades of grey? Using a device to speed up a massively slow game but gain no real advantage in online battling terms vs anyone else aside from time invested...that doesn't strike me as being the same as creating a wonder guard spiritomb. Is it the same to you? In which case ANY Pokemon you have that you think may have been cheated should be deleted right? And no lying about course work, calling in sick to the office, turning up to work late (you get paid to be there, being late is cheating the company out of money), speeding even by 1mph, etc, etc

You can be sanctimonious about rules ONLY if you don't break any yourself. And my bet...just about everyone breaks SOME rules.

So the question should be - do the rules you break impact others? Since what we're talking about is really hacking to get something legal - high IVs on a Pokemon for example. Then providing it could have been obtained legally as well then I see no issue. I

If you live by the creed "life isn't fair and then you die" that would actually argue FOR cheating (and a more blatent form) wouldn't it? Irrelevant comment really

Sorry, REALLY not seeing the point of your argument here

 

[Nah]

You don't need to breed to battle. Go catch random things legitly and stop cheating. If you want to win at battles then you invest in it, not cheat. If you don't want to do it the right way, then don't play.

...You do kinda need to breed to battle, unless your idea of fun is getting your ass handed to you all the time. And its not like people breed teams for other people.

Personally, it really doesn't bother me if people use Pokegen/Pokesav to create their teams. The process of making a good team can be rather boring and time consuming (ie. tedious), so I can understand why people wanna make legal hacks (legal hacks is a really poor term for it btw). If it was fun to make a team, then I wouldn't really understand why people make legal hacks. But I have yet to come across a game where grinding is fun (game devs, please get to work on that).

And it's unfair for people to use Pokegen/Pokesav? Who cares? You can still just beat them down, like you do to everyone else. It's not like you're fighting a Black Kyurem with Speed Boost and Swords Dance.

 

[RedWar]

I couldn't even get through your whole post. Your self absorbed narcissism was getting too much for me to bear.

And yet you felt qualified to comment on it (and throw in an insult) anyway. I can see why, 2 sentences on my own situation must have been a real problem. I laid out my situation as 90% of people on here will be people with more spare time, I was not trying to give a "sob story", I was trying to lay out what things look like for other people.

To be honest I don't care what your end goal or job situation is, your disposition shouldn't grant you the right to hack a competitive game. You're not the only one with responsibilities and commitments so spare me your sob story. I'm not comparing the importance of a video game to holding down a job or supporting your family and besides that's neither here nor there.

Was anyone?

Either use the Pokemon you have the time to obtain legally or stay away from battling online altogether. Perhaps as the other guy suggested Pokemon isn't the game for you if you find it too time consuming. Either way I'm sick of hackers stinking up the metagame with their illegal pokemon. It's not fair. Period.

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See, it's you that wants to dictate to me how I can and can't play the game. Tell you what, I'll play my way, you play yours and we can just agree to disagree with no insults...how about that?

 

[Outlier]

But at the end of the day, you don't 100% know that the Pokemon is hacked because it has legal stats, so why should it matter? Just because we are saving time, doesn't mean that it is unfair. You could do it if you like but you choose not to. If you had no access to it whatsoever, and we did, then it would be unfair, but that isn't the case, so why is it such a problem? I really don't understand why saving time should stop me from doing something that I find fun.

If Pokemon were purely a single player I wouldn't care if you had a PC full of level 300 Mewtwos with infinite HP. But Pokemon is a competitive game. And to build teams the right way can be time consuming which is all the more reason that it isn't fair to hack when there are so many people trying to do things the right way.

It's no different than taking a performance enhancing drug to aid you in a marathon or weight lifting competition. In terms of fairness.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

True, but then that puts me at a big disadvantage. If I really tried then I could still win, but it isn't as fun as having battle ready Pokemon ,that you have full confidence in.
You are really using the term cheating loosely. The definition of cheating is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage. The key word here is advantage. I am not gaining any advantage over anyone. It's not like people breeding legitimately can't get the same results as I can, so again, why is it such a big problem?

You are gaining an advantage over players by artificially creating Pokemon with the means to win by giving them the best possible stats they can get, ability, nature and characteristic. You do not try to breed them the correct way and even Gamefreak views the use of outside manipulation such as websites to create Pokemon as an act of cheating. Its not loose, its what it is. You cheat, plain and simple. There are many that do not get to breed for perfects and still enter the tournaments through naivete. You who create your Pokemon through external means have a distinct advantage over the poor kids that don't know better.

TPC does ban players who they find using hacked Pokemon, even if those Pokemon still have normal stats and abilities. Use of external devices and sites is frowned upon by the organizers and is classified as cheating.
As others said, if you don't want to put in the work to play legitly, go play on showdown.

 

[LightBlast]

Sooo, what do you guys think of RNG?

 

[RedWar]

You are gaining an advantage over players by artificially creating Pokemon with the means to win by giving them the best possible stats they can get, ability, nature and characteristic. You do not try to breed them the correct way and even Gamefreak views the use of outside manipulation such as websites to create Pokemon as an act of cheating. Its not loose, its what it is. You cheat, plain and simple. There are many that do not get to breed for perfects and still enter the tournaments through naivete. You who create your Pokemon through external means have a distinct advantage over the poor kids that don't know better.

What about cloning?

I ask because whilst I have never hacked any Pokemon (despite my comments above), what I have "hacked" has been cloning and items.