[Developing] Pokemon Dawn & Dusk Versions

mewlover22 · Feb 8, 2012

Hello my name is mewlover22 and i want to introduce you to my first project Pokemon Dawn & Dusk Versions being made with RPG maker XP.

Introduction
I've been a fan of Pokemon since Red & Blue and about two years ago i came across a starter kit made by poccil and Flameguru for use in RPG Maker XP and though of making one of the regions i made up on paper and use this kit to help me.

The plot
Welcome to a new world of Pokemon set in the region of Heltris and to the south the Cantalore Islands. Once ruled by two gods the land has since become peaceful and humans and Pokemon live together. Two statues of the dragons reside in the eastern part of Heltris and it is said that the two watch over the land and keep people safe. It is said that when the two Pokemon collide the world will become unstable and in need of hero to save it.

Fast forward to the present day in small town called Sentar. Chris and Meleny are now old enough to set out on there own Pokemon quest little do they know they are destine to save the world from two Pokemon bent on total chaos. Meanwhile two teams have emerged on the scene one called Team Thunder and opposing them Team Shadow can any one stop there evil plans.

In a world where humans and Pokemon live together your job is to collect gym badges and save the world from any evil. Now that you read the plot i hope you will read on.

Cast

[PokeCommunity.com] Pokemon Dawn & Dusk Versions

Name: Chris
Bio: The male hero of the game.

Name: Meleny
Bio: The Female hero of the game.

Name: Professor ????
Bio: Professor in the helta region.

Name: ????
Bio: Your Rival

Name: Ashley
Bio: Team Thunder leader in search of Sunloc and the power it holds.

Name: Cassie
Bio: Team Shadow leader in search of Noctun and the power it holds.

More later

Starters
TBA

Gym Leaders

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Crew Leaders

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Grand Masters

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Old Screen Shots (From Beta 1)

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Beta 2 Progress

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Pokedexs

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New Pokemon

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Features
-Custom Region of Heltris and Cantalore Islands
-Custom Sprites and Pokemon (To be shown later)
-Region dex 202 Pokemon Main Game
-Night and day on all towns, cites, and routes
-Custom Mega Pokemon
-Version Exclusive Pokemon
-8 gym leaders, 4 elite four members, 1 champion and a set of grandmasters across 1 region and a set of islands.
-Starters from all 6 regions
-7 Frontier Brains
-Following Pokemon
-Animated Title Screen
-New evolution method that involves having the pokemon faint
-100 New Pokemon species
-Island Crew similar to orange islands
More to be revealed later.

Downloads
Beta 1: N/A (Removed due to feedback and how bad the beta was.)
Beta 1 will go up to gym 3 and second rival match.

Beta 2: Coming Soon
Beta 2 will go up to gym 4 and second rival match but will have better graphics and new overworlds for the npc's of the game.

Tech Demo: Coming Soon
Just a little proof of concept demo.

Credits
Starter Kit-poccil and Flameguru
5th Gen Pack-FL .
Region Map- NikNaks
Sprites- The Spriters resource and creator of ruby destiny series.
Meji17 for a few new scripts he fixed to make them easier to use.
If i'm forgetting i will update the post.

Lord Varion · Feb 17, 2012

First of all, the maps.
They ain't the best. Half are tile error filled, the others are just too spacious and not decorated enough.
Secondly, I'm aware this game is early in development, but your sprites are either ordinary trainers such as Cool Trainers, and Lass'. And, the Leader of Team thunder, her sprite is badly shaded and colored. :l

That's all I can say, story is good, needs some tweaking, but I wish you luck on this project and hope it reaches a reasonable stage.

cruciFICTION · Feb 17, 2012

I have two things to add to Nintendork's post.

That very bottom screenshot (on the left)? Yeah, in the official games, the player can just walk around those boulders. That means that you've either left a pathway open around them or you've made the very tip of a tree solid... which you shouldn't have done.

Second, there's a reason the official games don't mix up their starters, and it's because they're all matched to each other. In some games, one starter might be fast but weak and others might be slow and heavily defensive. If you mix the starters, you risk not having matching starters, which means rival battles will be easier for one side than they should be, not because of type but because of stats.

PiaCRT · Feb 17, 2012

Poor recolors, Bad mapping, Stolen sprites (Willow from Acanthite), Backgrounds from Google Images, and awful resized sprites. I highly suggest you look at some of the more professional games on here for inspiration, because putting it simply, this is awful.

For one, you're using a default Paint color for May. It looks terrible, not to mention ALL you recolored was the 1 Red Palette on her clothes.

Secondly, Ashley looks like she just got beat up in an alley by MissingNo. I suggest respriting her or resizing her in a program such as GIMP.

Third, make your own backgrounds. It's not that hard and can be rather fun. Don't google "foresty background"; it doesn't look right.

Fourth and finally, why are you using Pokémon Acanthite's Willow? I don't care if it's a dead game, unless you got permission to use it, don't. you can get infracted and your game will automatically get locked.

Sorry if it's harsh, I'm only trying to help you in the long run. I suggest you look up some spriting tutorials.

sodaplant · Feb 17, 2012

I agree, and the sprites definitely need too be recolored. A lot of them are default paint colors (WHICH NEVER EVER EVER EVER SHOULD BE IN A GAME) and like the person above me said, your using basic sprites and pretty much everything in your game has already been made and your just moving it around. It just seems like a mismatch of things other people made and you put into a storyline.

Aénex · Feb 18, 2012

You might feel like I'm being really picky here. XD

So, the plot. Apart from a few grammar/spelling mistakes, it's fine. There just needs to be more of it. I'm not sure how you'll want to incorporate that, but you need a bit more plot in there.

Secondly, Chris and Meleny. Ew. They both need to be resprited IMMINENTLY. You've basically just 'recoloured' May's red clothes and said 'Here, you're a completely different person!'. That's not how it works. Also, Chris is Brendan. You either have two Player Characters already made, or make your own that are completely custom and original. NEVER just recolour things. You gotta make 'em original and custom.

Now Professor Willow is original, isn't she? Anyone would know that she's from Pokémon Acanthite. Change her now, into one of your own creations. You can't just take things from someone else, permission or not, and assume no one will notice.

Mark and ????(Mindy springs to mind right now) should have their own sprites instead of being Cooltrainers. And P.S. When Meleny is battling ????(Mindy), she should probably be facing her.

Ashley is hoooorible. It looks like a really bad recolour to me, I'm not sure from what sprite however. But you need to change her now. Don't ever resize with MS Paint; GIMP is the way to go. (But I use MS Paint for all my sprite work, never with resizing however) And the colour scheme needs to be changed too. Keep the yellow in there(But use different shades), but the black needs to be changed to something brighter, something that can blend/mix in with the yellow.

Chikorita, Charmander and Piplup. Have you thought this through? I don't think so. Each Starter is special. Say you have a water type. They might be good in speed, the grass type might be good in defence and the fire type might be good in special attack. When choosing you Starter Pokémon, ALWAYS check their stats as opposed to their types(I reccomend Bulbapedia). The Starters you've chosen might seem good to you, but for al you know, Chikorita and Charmander could be their best in Special defence whilst Piplup could be best in attack. Either choose your Starters like they should have been chosen, or make your own keeping in mind of everything about them.

Kim and Jay have familiar sprites, now don't they? Change their sprites. The last thing you want is for someone to say, 'Hey, isn't that a Lass?' or 'Hey, isn't that [Insert Pre-Created Sprite Name Here]?'. Because if you do, people will start thinking that your game is bad quality, and the worst thing that can happen is that you game will be dead before it was even born.

That lab seems oh so big and oh so bland. Take a look at the labs from the official Pokémon games. They're decorated in a scienc-y way, and they're usually small(Usually normal compared to houses with useless NPC's in them, which there are many). And I'm looking at those stairs. They stop onto the floor so abruptly. Fix that. And the professor should escort you through the whole 'Which Pokémon do you want, deary?' thing.
Again with Chris and Meleny. Both sprites should be changed, and Meleny needs to be centered into the grass more. There are also some 'stray pixels' on the grass and the little bar thing under 'Your Pokémon'.
Nothing wrong with your Pikachu battle(Meleny excluded), but I don't like the way on how you've put a 'shadow' on the stats bar for Pikachu.
Again with Professor Willow. And also, don't EVER use Google for a background for your game. That's another way where people won't like your game. Just make your own background. It should be quick and easy just making a custom background with, say, gradient or something. And it looks like there's some 'stray pixels' on the grass there too.
Chris and Meleny need to be centered into the grass on the Gender Selection.
I think you should change the name of Sentar Town. I dunno, I just think you should. And the placement of those trees, I don't like it. Fix that.
I'm not sure wether that Pokédex Overworld sprite has been used before or not, but I like it. Again with the starters and the lab however.
Finally, something custom that I like. I'm not lying, I'm loving that Pokédex. A Pokédex can be bland or it can be decorated, so that's fine. But there's something about the text boxes, I think it's the colour. It doesn't bend so well, but it's okei. Again with the background. Don't use the same one from the lecture/Gender Selection for your Pokédex. Use a different one that's custom.
I like the name Sanyare. The gym looks fine from what I can see in that screenshot.
Don't incude Misty. Include her later in the game or not at all. Look at Jasmine, she appears in D/P/Pt, but only in Sunyshore City, and that's waaay later in the game. Do that with Misty. Also, there needs to be more of a border between the ground and the water. And the shadow from that little piece of ground needs to go all the way from it, or not at all(Yeah I saw that). And the trees again.
There shouldn't be a choice when battling your rival. Never. Also, is that a gym, or a contest hall? Contest hall is fine, but what is your rival doing there? Contests are just little things to do. Your rival wants to defeat you and the champion, not prance around with a Clefairy. While a contest hall is fine, don't have your rival battle you there, let the rival battle you outside a gym. And that looks like the Hoenn Battle Frontier symbol. It might just be a contest hall/gym, but the Battle Frontier is either not in the game or only available after you've beaten the champion.
Again with the trees and Meleny facing ????(Mindy), unless it's some thing, but the sand(or whatever) and the rails stop too abruptly, that needs to be fixed right away.
Strength isn't needed here, you can ust walk around it. Either put one more boulder there, or shorten tha part of the route so there's only one boulder there and then just trees. Again with the placement.
This is fine. Just the placement of the trees again.

By my standards, night and day is expected in Pokémon games, so you might not need to put that up on your features. However, if you're having something like new weather mechanics, seasons or months(etc.), then put THAT in your features.

Also, it seems like you're doing this all on your own. Don't do that unless you've just started and only have the concept, plot and a few sprites. What you need is a team of people. On the first post, you should have a list of people you need(I.E. Spriter, Mapper, Scripter, Composer and such). You can't do this all by yourself, you'll never get it finished. You need a team. I'd love to help, but looking at what you've done, you shouldn't pick me to go on your team. XD I'f constantly pester you to use Gen V graphics and mechanics that you're not even wanting to use.

Last thing. Don't have your Beta up yet. If a lot of people can see a lot of wrong things just from that first post, alot of things are wrong and need to be fixed. I'm not sure how long you've spent on this, but I advise you take down the Beta and bring it back when you've fine-tuned things and it's ready for people to test.

And sorry for the wordwall. XD

nniwllehctim · Feb 19, 2012

Right off the bat I'm going to suggest you use some 4th/5th Gen Tiles and learn to sprite/recolor at a decent ability level. The maps are very bland and too spacious. Meleny hurts my eyes, I'm not going to play a game that gives me a headache, and neither is anyone else. The game's Pixels are "doubled" so to speak, Ashley's recolors contradict that. Also, don't you think this should be in the Beginner's Showcase? It doesn't look like too much work has been done.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

Read all the comments and im working on a new professor sprite and as for meleny that is not may don't you people read pokemon adventures. As for the boulders that has been fixed. As for Kim and Jay kim is okay jay is getting a new overworld sprite. Also as for team i worked on this for 6 months + and don't need help at all. As for everyone else who has things to say don't unless its to tell me how good im doing i had 7 people test this and my main tester said i did everything okay. And ???? is not your main rival and that building is yet to be completed and tile errors will be fixed forgot to when i upgraded to new version of starter kit. And as for my starters i picked the 3 i wanted anybody got a problem then i will no longer update this page and finish this on my own.

PiaCRT · Feb 21, 2012

mewlover22 said:
Read all the comments and im working on a new professor sprite and as for meleny that is not may don't you people read pokemon adventures. As for the boulders that has been fixed. As for Kim and Jay kim is okay jay is getting a new overworld sprite. Also as for team i worked on this for 6 months + and don't need help at all. As for everyone else who has things to say don't unless its to tell me how good im doing i had 7 people test this and my main tester said i did everything okay. And ???? is not your main rival and that building is yet to be completed and tile errors will be fixed forgot to when i upgraded to new version of starter kit. And as for my starters i picked the 3 i wanted anybody got a problem then i will no longer update this page and finish this on my own.

Alright now that is just plain rude. We all gave you constructive criticism to improve your project. For one, about the starters, the gentleman above gave you a perfect reason why it wouldn't work with your chosen starters.

And Pokémon Adventures? Sapphire (Or Meleny as you call her) has nothing to do with this. That's "May" from R/S/E, recolored poorly. You seem to not even give a thought about the fact you stole Acanthite's professor, and NO, those sprites are NOT okay. They're disgusting splices and recolors. Maybe everyone giving you nice words was wrong, maybe this will get through to your head.

This game is awful. It's rubbish, and the fact you are only half-listening to the constructive criticism shows you aren't that great of a developer for someone who can't even apologize for stealing a sprite. This game does not deserve to be in the showcase, plain and simple. Perhaps you should rethink your mannerisms before posting again, and actually take the great advice we gave you.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

I will admit that it was taking from another game but how is suggesting i use black and white tiles or that my maps look blan and the fact of where i put misty i wrong and if i want to use may as you all asume that's not what i was going for i can my two heroes will stay as is and willow was only a start i will say its not mine but for you to tell me to use b/w tiles and that my sprites look bad meleny looks great i spent 3 hours on her and chris i found as for thunder leader she is not a recolor at all i can't think of the name right now but i found her on a website a while back and i worked a few hours on her overworld sprite besides don't you understand that this is my first try at this i may make mistakes but telling me my sprites look bad just hurts me i work hard on this and then get crap for it let me see you come up with a better combo for two heroes.

nniwllehctim · Feb 21, 2012

We're only making suggestions. If you are going to use plain 3rd Gen tiles you will not get as big of a fan base and not as many people will find it original. If going with Gen 4/5 tiles is a turn-off to you, you may want to go with some revamped/colored 3rd 2nd or 1st Gen sprites (trust me, they look great recolored). I am not trying to be mean, or to hurt you. I am just trying to make your game more "likable".

That is all.

We're only making suggestions. If you are going to use plain 3rd Gen tiles you will not get as big of a fan base and not as many people will find it original. If going with Gen 4/5 tiles is a turn-off to you, you may want to go with some revamped/colored 3rd 2nd or 1st Gen sprites (trust me, they look great recolored). I am not trying to be mean, or to hurt you. I am just trying to make your game more "likable".

That is all.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

nniwllehctim said:
We're only making suggestions. If you are going to use plain 3rd Gen tiles you will not get as big of a fan base and not as many people will find it original. If going with Gen 4/5 tiles is a turn-off to you, you may want to go with some revamped/colored 3rd 2nd or 1st Gen sprites (trust me, they look great recolored). I am not trying to be mean, or to hurt you. I am just trying to make your game more "likable".

That is all.

How would i go about revamping them im just using what came with the starter kit not really experienced with making sprites myself if any one has sprites and wants to help me they can i liked the tiles of ruby and sapphire mixed with fire red and leaf green it looks good but if you can show me how to fix it i could and im not mad at you just saying that my work is being attacked in the wrong way i like my sprites for my heroes and im no good at sprite making so i used what i had to work with for my gyms.

lx_theo · Feb 21, 2012

I had to split this all up to keep track of what you were trying to say. Please try to type your thoughts out more coherently if you want people to understand or even bother reading it.

mewlover22 said:
I will admit that it was taking from another game but how is suggesting i use black and white tiles

A note: They said 4th/5th gen, which means stuff from any game from Diamond and Pearl to Black and White.

or that my maps look blan

Assuming you mean bland... Yes, they do look bland. Anyone with any experience in this field will tell you that.

and the fact of where i put misty i wrong

I think you mean something along the lines of 'I'm wrong to put in Misty'

I could be wrong there, but assuming thats it, then it is wrong to use established characters for no reason. It makes little sense and sends your story into a pitiful chaos (for anyone who does it).

and if i want to use may as you all asume that's what i was going for i can my two heroes will stay as is

That's a horrible idea. One is simply a recolor using standard colors (they don't look good), and the other I believe is stolen like Willow. I know I've seen it before yours, though I don't remember exactly where.

and willow was only a start i will say its not mine

Good for you to admit that. Now replace it, as you have no right to steal other people's work.

but for you to tell me to use b/w tiles and that my sprites look bad meleny looks great i spent 3 hours on her and chris i found as for thunder leader

Then I suppose all that effort was very amateur. Sorry to say, but a recolor (it blatantly is) is very easy to do.

she is not a recolor at all i can't think of the name right now but i found her on a website a while back and i worked a few hours on her overworld sprite

You lost me a bit here... Who's overworld sprite? Mind you, none of the overworld sprites look very good at all. Again, sorry, but its the truth.

besides don't you understand that this is my first try at this i may make mistakes but telling me my sprites look bad just hurts me i work hard on this and then get crap for it

Its very obviously your first project. Do you want to see my first project. I can't say it was an amazingly much better than this, but once I figured out about Pokecommunity, I came and looked at all the quality that was going on here. Then I looked back at my project and realized how bad it was.

This is the same realization people are trying to get you to understand here. Your project looks absolutely appalling in terms of quality. But its your first, and instead of attacking those with constructive criticism of your project, perhaps you should try to let them help you become better by learning from the criticism.

let me see you come up with a better combo for two heroes.

Try any game in The Showcase except this. Just saying.

nniwllehctim · Feb 21, 2012

mewlover22 said:
How would i go about revamping them im just using what came with the starter kit not really experienced with making sprites myself if any one has sprites and wants to help me they can i liked the tiles of ruby and sapphire mixed with fire red and leaf green it looks good but if you can show me how to fix it i could and im not mad at you just saying that my work is being attacked in the wrong way i like my sprites for my heroes and im no good at sprite making so i used what i had to work with for my gyms.

I believe there are some revamps out there already. Gen 4 tiles and some Gen 5 tiles are out there as well in RMXP format.

Glad you understand.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

do you not get that im using a starter kit the stuff looks like that when you use xp as the game makes them that way and what sprites look bad if any are bad its not me im using things i found online to make this game my sprites are from online kits and packs that others made and i dont think they look bad at all. And i was talking about ashley sprite i made that look like the in game battle sprite can i help that 3rd gen looks bad on xp.

nniwllehctim said:
I believe there are some revamps out there already. Gen 4 tiles and some Gen 5 tiles are out there as well in RMXP format.

Glad you understand.

you mean revamped gen 3 sprites b/c the towns and routes are using gen 3 tiles am i to assume you mean they have better tiles for gen 3?

nniwllehctim · Feb 21, 2012

mewlover22 said:
do you not get that im using a starter kit the stuff looks like that when you use xp as the game makes them that way and what sprites look bad if any are bad its not me im using things i found online to make this game my sprites are from online kits and packs that others made and i dont think they look bad at all. And i was talking about ashley sprite i made that look like the in game battle sprite can i help that 3rd gen looks bad on xp.

you mean revamped gen 3 sprites b/c the towns and routes are using gen 3 tiles am i to assume you mean they have better tiles for gen 3?

Yeah, like palette changes and stuff, I'm saying you may want to add some different graphics, there are graphic kits on this forum, you don't need to make anything yourself.

PiaCRT · Feb 21, 2012

mewlover22 said:
do you not get that im using a starter kit the stuff looks like that when you use xp as the game makes them that way and what sprites look bad if any are bad its not me im using things i found online to make this game my sprites are from online kits and packs that others made and i dont think they look bad at all. And i was talking about ashley sprite i made that look like the in game battle sprite can i help that 3rd gen looks bad on xp.

you mean revamped gen 3 sprites b/c the towns and routes are using gen 3 tiles am i to assume you mean they have better tiles for gen 3?

You do realize you can change tiles, right? Maybe you should learn how to fully use RMXP before working on a game in it. The tiles in the kit are mainly for demonstration purposes.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

okay so what do you suggest i use?

PiaCRT · Feb 21, 2012

I still suggest you use RMXP, it's a great program, and it's probably the easiest to use in my opinion. But if you don't even try to learn, you can't call yourself a game designer. There are plenty of tutorials online, some even on Enterbrain's website.

Google is your friend.

mewlover22 · Feb 21, 2012

no i meant tile wise not maker?

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