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Pokemon Discussion (Current Subject: Aerodactyl)

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Pretty much, I can see poison-types being the highest priority in Facade vs. Stone Edge. Since it's pretty much impossible to incorporate both in the same set (X_X), it would only be natural to see issues on movesets erupt.

Thus, I'll conclude with this; some movesets have advantages over others. Whatever threatens you the most, counter up against it.
 
The only difference is Facade hits everything Neutral that Stone Edge hits Double, but it does't work the other way around.
 
Drapion is neutral to fighting, making CC a better option for it.

Muk is hardly seen in OU, so that leaves Weezing.

Now, let's see what Stone Edge is good for: Salamence, Dragonite, Gyarados, Zapdos.

Stone Edge ftw.
 
fighting + rock has always been the superior combination on most fighting types. it's not that hard to get walled with it, but it does hit everything in the game. i would think adding payback as a dark type option would take care of everything else.
 
Ooka poses a good point on Facade; it hits everything needed neutrally. Stone Edge has an advantage for it can hit some things with 60 more base power (200 to 140). Guts doesn't increase base power, so remember that! X_X. However, in a lot of cases, it's 140 to 100), and Facade's accuracy is 100%, so if you need a hit, then Facade's good for it. If you need the extra power against some of the upper OU, Stone Edge is your option.

I can't side on which is better, so I'm just saying that I like both of them and the situation is dependent with the move.
 
So it doesn't look like there will be a set agreement in the argument of Stone Edge vs. Facade. So, I'll just include them both on sets where it seems appropriate. Anyway, anyone have any interesting stories or counters to Hariyama or maybe Pokemon Hariyama makes a good counter to.
 
Um, it takes both of TTar's STAB attacks and threatens a OHKO...yeah.
 
well i've had one silly belly drum set on hariyama and it has sweeped plenty of times with a scarf Froslass. they make a decent pair. the hariyama has 172 SPD evs (yes, spd XD) to outrun base 70. it only needs 164 to outrun base 70 (skarm) but i gave it an extra 8 just in case the skarm is running 4 extra spd evs.
 
what good it will do outrunning skarm? your only chance at beating it is if skarm decides to roost and then CC does SE damage, but that's when you're slower.

Gliscor pretty much counters Hariyama.
 
Only if it doesn't have Ice Punch.

Which apparently it can get. Stupid Serebii not listing Emerald move tutors on the DP dex pages.
 
if it's slower than skarm than it doesn't have a chance at all. it's better off finishing skarm with a KO.
 
Wow, this thread died fast. Okay, so it appears everyone is done with Hariyama. O_o I'll get another Pokemon ready in a minute.

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[PokeCommunity.com] Pokemon Discussion (Current Subject: Aerodactyl)


Name: Gardevoir
Classification: Embrace Pokemon
Typing: Psychic
Height / Weight: 5'03" / 106.7 lbs.
Tier: Borderline (BL)
Ability: Synchronize / Trace

Stats-
HP- 68
Attack- 65
Defense- 65
Special Attack- 125
Special Defense- 115
Speed- 80

Diamond / Pearl PokeDex Entry- It will try to guard its trusted Trainer with its life. It has the ability to see the future.

Image courtesy of Arkeis
 
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Wow, this thread died fast. Okay, so it appears everyone is done with Hariyama. O_o I'll get another Pokemon ready in a minute.

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[PokeCommunity.com] Pokemon Discussion (Current Subject: Aerodactyl)


Name: Gardevoir
Classification: Embrace Pokemon
Typing: Psychic
Height / Weight: 5'03" / 106.7 lbs.
Tier: Borderline (BL)
Ability: Synchronize / Trace

Stats-
HP- 68
Attack- 65
Defense- 65
Special Attack- 125
Special Defense- 115
Speed- 80

Diamond / Pearl PokeDex Entry- It will try to guard its trusted Trainer with its life. It has the ability to see the future.

Image courtesy of Arkeis
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I love a pokemon who can wish support, i always use wishers and this is one of my favorites =)

Gardevoir@leftovers
252 HP / 48 Sp.Att / 176 Sp.Def / 32 Speed
modest Nature
Trait : Trace
- Wish
- Will-o-wisp
- Psychic
- Focus Blast / Thunderbolt /Shadow Ball

Wish is for team support.

Will-o-wisp cripples physical sweepers that want to come in.

Psychic for STAB.

Last slot is up to you. Focus Blast deals with common pursuiter switch ins such as weavile and Tyranitar. Thunderbolt helps with Skarmory, Gyarados etc and Shadow Ball helps against things such as Azelf, gengar and other psychics and ghosts.
 
Heh, I run a Gardevoir that turns the sweeper game topsy-turvy, excluding dragons.

Gardevoir@Choice Scarf
Modest nature
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Psychic
Thunderbolt/HP Ice
Focus Blast
Energy Ball/HP Ice

This set actually wreaks havoc on the likes of Starmie, Gengar, MixApe, and many other things that this thing has come in to kill. Mine can't kill Weavile until I remake it with 31 speed IVs, but it can down slower Weaviles that run less speed (they'd have to have <375 speed.) Mine runs without HP Ice, but it's a considerable option when you see the Modest 383 sp. atk possibility.

However, CB Pursuit Weavile switch ins ruin it, and even CB Hera.
 
i dint tell neones dat garvoir r bestt fisical woll in teh metaviddeo.

gardevoir can be used in so many ways. i use it as a special wall/trick room setter/BUUURNer. the only thing that we can all agree on for gardevoir is that trace is far more superior than synchronize.
 
Gardevoir I used in Emerald that was coupled together as support with my Bellydrum-Sub-Flailing Linoone:
Nature: Either Def↑/Atk↓ or S.Def↑/Atk↓
EV: Forgot what it was exactly, but I remember it had emphasis on physical defense.
Moves:
- Memento
- WoW
- Light Screen
- Reflector

It was pretty simple. Just set up the two walls and switch to Linoone by Memento suicide (WoW if needed).
Makes Substitue creation much safer for the Linoone, so it can use Bellydrum with minimal risk.


Probably won't work much in DP due to the abundance of first-strike moves, but it was good during the old days.
 
Gardeviore: @ leftovers
Nature:Modest
Trait:Trace
Evs: 252 spatt, 160 spdef, 92 spd
Calm Mind
Psychic
Focus blast
Thunder bolt/ hp [ice]/ grass knot.

Yeah, the real counters to it are:

Gross, takes in moves and meteor mashes but needs to be wary of focus blast.

Spiritomb is immune to focus blast and psychic and has good defenses along with stab pursuit and sucker punch.

Hera hurts with megahorn.

T-tar destroys with pursuit or crunch.

Weavile kills with it's speed and stab'd night slash or pursuit.

Absol sucker punches but is thwarted by calm mind.
 
Sweeper/stunner
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
modest nature/timid nature
252 spd/216 sp.atk/36 sp.def
-Psychic
-focus blast
-thunderbolt/energy ball/shadow ball
-Hypnosis/will-o-wisp/thunder wave
 
Gardevoir isn't designed for Sweeping, its designed for a Semi-Wall. It really is awful at sweeping. Please, no ScarfDevoirs ._.
 
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