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[Skip Shot]

This team has been giving me quite a few problems as of late. About a week ago, this team had a shot of making the leaderboard, but then ran into quite a few problems.

GINGER (Azelf) @ Focus Sash
Naive Nature
252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 Atk

Flamethrower
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Explosion

Well, D_A can probly think of a good reason why this team sucks now (if only SHiny Azelf was red... kekekeke). Anyways, my favorite suicide lead in the game, basically Taunts and Rocks. If Aero shows up, Azelf takes the predicted Taunt like a beast then booms Aero into oblivion. Flamethrower can stop Hail leads (but not the occasional Occa Berry Bronzong lead), as well as kill several switch-ins to Azelf.

>=) (Gengar) @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
252 Spa/ 252 SPe/ 6 HP

Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Focus Blast

Gar is my favorite revenge killer in the game, and has saved me from quite a few losses. Gar is probably more favorable as a revenge killer now because of a certain pokemon that I've seen lurking around a lot on the Standard Ladder(90% of my battles involved a CM Espeon). The Ghost/Fighting combo of Shadow Ball and Focus Blast hits everything for at least neutral, THunderbolt stops GYara, and HP Ice is for those ever annoying Dragons.

I LOST THE GAME (Vaporeon) @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP/ 176 Def/ 80 Spa

Surf
HP Electric
Wish
Ice Beam

If you read my Vappy's nickname, you just lost :) Most offensive teams require Wish support. Vappy provides just that, being able to shrug off most physical hits and Wishpass off to other team members(or itself)

Needs More Kingdra (Kingdra) @ CHoice Specs
Modest Nature- Sniper
252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Draco Meteor
HP Electric
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam

SpecsKingdra is a rare sight to see, and scares most teams. Most opponents switch in a physical wall, expecting DD Kingdra, while Kingdra sends them home crying with either a powerful STAB Draco Meteor or Hydro Pump. Ice Beam is there mainly for Skymin and such, while Hp Electric downs Bulky waters and Gyara.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL (Breloom) @ Toxic Orb
Jolly Nature
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Spore
Focus Punch
Mach Punch/Seed Bomb
Stone Edge

Breloom is a main staple on msot of my teams, mainly because of Spore. Its ability to put opponents to sleep without having to worry about accuracy makes Breloom a viable statuser. Its high attack also helps as well, revenge killing things at low health with Mach Punch, or Focus Punching/Stone Edgeing on the switch.

SKYFODDER (Lucario) @ Life Orb
Modest Nature- Inner Focus
252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Agility
Focus Blast
HP Ice
Shadow Ball

Agililuke provides me with a check to Tyranitar, since it can tear through the rest of this team. Agility allows it to outspeed Scarfgar iirc.

 

[Lord Yawgmoth]

Hmmm...I don't see too many problems with this team, although Mach Punch seems like a waste of a move (As Scizor already has a priority move); perhaps Seed Bomb for coverage or Subsitute so you can Focus Punch better?
I also commend you for not putting Outrage on Kingdra. =]
Ice Beam is much more useful then Protect, as Vaporeon is usually bulky enough to absorb a fair number of hits even while it's waiting for Wish.

 

[Skip Shot]

Hmmm...I don't see too many problems with this team, although Mach Punch seems like a waste of a move (As Scizor already has a priority move); perhaps Seed Bomb for coverage or Subsitute so you can Focus Punch better?
I abuse priority T_T. I'll run Seed Bomb over Mach Punch (I used to run SubSporePuncher, it was metagame weak) and see how it runs.
I also commend you for not putting Outrage on Kingdra. =]
SpecsKingdra is wayyyy better.
Ice Beam is much more useful then Protect, as Vaporeon is usually bulky enough to absorb a fair number of hits even while it's waiting for Wish.
K. I'll put Ice Beam> protect.

I'll put the changes up. Anything else?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Im not even ginger, seriously im not ._.

Also change up vappys ev spread, it has low def and high hp so should be ev'd to reflect that for maximum defensive capabilties (aka max def before the hp). 188 hp / 252 def / 68 sp.def, or if you want more insurance vs LO DD Gyarados use 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF.

I like specs Kingdra, i think a Crit sniper Draco meteor OHKO's blissey (not sure if bold or calm, but meh still powerfull).


Ill come back if i spot anything.

You lack a Gyarados counter, use Rhyperior imo ^_^ lolololol

 

[Sora_8920]

Im not even ginger, seriously im not ._.

Also change up vappys ev spread, it has low def and high hp so should be ev'd to reflect that for maximum defensive capabilties (aka max def before the hp). 188 hp / 252 def / 68 sp.def, or if you want more insurance vs LO DD Gyarados use 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF.

I like specs Kingdra, i think a Crit sniper Draco meteor OHKO's blissey (not sure if bold or calm, but meh still powerfull).


Ill come back if i spot anything.

You lack a Gyarados counter, use Rhyperior imo ^_^ lolololol

Rofl.

And at the Rhyperior quote below. ;>_>

@OP: I would use Seed Bomb >> Mach Punch on Breloom if you're not really wary of speed or anything. If you were running Adamant (although Adamant is kinda meh), then that's when I would run Mach Punch, but you're not, so yeah.

I'll come back later to rate if I can, (or if D_A hasn't trolled deleted the post.)

 

[Anti]

Uh why would you blow up on Aerodactyl when you aren't stopping it from setting up SR and you aren't setting up your own rocks...which is failing to do two of the main things they're used for. o_o

I really don't like how slow this team is. I know you have priority and all, but Scizor's is the only one that's going to actually DO anything. Unboosted Mach Punch isn't going to hurt a thing besides Weavile. Maybe. You basically rely 100% on scarfgar for your defense to most threats, which is very unwise given how its tendency to get set up on by ANYTHING and its pursuit weakness will get your team massacred. Azelf doesn't really count as speed considering it'll be dead after the first three turns.

What I'm trying to say is that it's like an offensive team, but with no offense. Scizor is the only heavy hitter you have bar a Kingdra crit, and both of them are incredibly slow by today's standards. I just really don't like the look of this team.

I would replace Breloom and Azelf too (since you don't have anything that even benefits from SR, so getting it up instantly shouldn't even be a priority). I would put in a fast sweeper and a defensive anchor (Bronzong is usually a good choice) to get your team both better offensively and defensively. As of now, this team is lacking in both departments.

Also just saying, but I question Vaporeon and Kingdra both here. Their coverage is nearly identical and while they fulfill different roles and all, getting walled so easily isn't good...especially when your team has enough trouble dealing with Flamethrower Blissey.

 

[ABYAY]

okay, lack of a true Rock resist here (No, Breloom is NOT a rock resist. lol 2HKO'd by most STAB rock attacks), so CBTar can really cause some pain, although it has a massive inability to switch into anything on the team. (Except Gengar, which will then screw you over.)

If you want to keep the way it is, you need some REALLY good prediction to keep Gengar alive, which, as many said, is your only check to various speed-boosting threats.

How to turn the tables?

Lucario@Life Orb
Modest, Inner Focus OR Rash, Inner Focus
252sp.atk/252speed/6 def (or anything really), OR 80atk/244sp.atk/188 speed

Agility
Aura Sphere/Focus Blast/Close Combat
Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
HP Ice

Come in on CB Stone Edges/Crunches, Agility on an expected switch (or attack with prediction), then smack their faces into submission.

Use the second spread if you use Close Combat. Each set still lets you outrun Timid ScarfGar I believe. If you wanted to go in a more bulky path, try out CB Machamp, probably with a more bulky spread if you wish. Either of these can go over Breloom.

 

[F-F-Franklin]

Why would you say "Booms Aero into an oblivion" if most aero leads run focus sash?

 

[Skip Shot]

Im not even ginger, seriously im not ._.

Also change up vappys ev spread, it has low def and high hp so should be ev'd to reflect that for maximum defensive capabilties (aka max def before the hp). 188 hp / 252 def / 68 sp.def, or if you want more insurance vs LO DD Gyarados use 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF.
One thing though: Vappy needs those EVs in sp. atk. to scare off Gyara. would 252 Def/ 188 HP/ 68 SPa work?

I like specs Kingdra, i think a Crit sniper Draco meteor OHKO's blissey (not sure if bold or calm, but meh still powerfull). Specs Kingdra got a 95% crit on calm Bliss in one of my matches. So, with SR, it does OHKO.


Ill come back if i spot anything.

You lack a Gyarados counter, use Rhyperior imo ^_^ lolololol T_T

Rofl.

And at the Rhyperior quote below. ;>_>

@OP: I would use Seed Bomb >> Mach Punch on Breloom if you're not really wary of speed or anything. If you were running Adamant (although Adamant is kinda meh), then that's when I would run Mach Punch, but you're not, so yeah. See your point. Seed Bomb has also been tested, I think it will work better than Mach Punch.

I'll come back later to rate if I can, (or if D_A hasn't trolled deleted the post.)

Uh why would you blow up on Aerodactyl when you aren't stopping it from setting up SR and you aren't setting up your own rocks...which is failing to do two of the main things they're used for. o_o
I forgot about Sashay... T_T

I really don't like how slow this team is. I know you have priority and all, but Scizor's is the only one that's going to actually DO anything. Unboosted Mach Punch isn't going to hurt a thing besides Weavile. Maybe. You basically rely 100% on scarfgar for your defense to most threats, which is very unwise given how its tendency to get set up on by ANYTHING and its pursuit weakness will get your team massacred. Azelf doesn't really count as speed considering it'll be dead after the first three turns.
Speed really hasn't been an issue here. Many teams today require time to get fast, or aren't fast at all. I do see your point though.

What I'm trying to say is that it's like an offensive team, but with no offense. Scizor is the only heavy hitter you have bar a Kingdra crit, and both of them are incredibly slow by today's standards. I just really don't like the look of this team.

I would replace Breloom and Azelf too (since you don't have anything that even benefits from SR, so getting it up instantly shouldn't even be a priority). I would put in a fast sweeper and a defensive anchor (Bronzong is usually a good choice) to get your team both better offensively and defensively. As of now, this team is lacking in both departments.

Also just saying, but I question Vaporeon and Kingdra both here. Their coverage is nearly identical and while they fulfill different roles and all, getting walled so easily isn't good...especially when your team has enough trouble dealing with Flamethrower Blissey.

okay, lack of a true Rock resist here (No, Breloom is NOT a rock resist. lol 2HKO'd by most STAB rock attacks), so CBTar can really cause some pain, although it has a massive inability to switch into anything on the team. (Except Gengar, which will then screw you over.)
WHY IS THIS ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH MAI TEAMS :(

If you want to keep the way it is, you need some REALLY good prediction to keep Gengar alive, which, as many said, is your only check to various speed-boosting threats.

How to turn the tables?

Lucario@Life Orb
Modest, Inner Focus OR Rash, Inner Focus
252sp.atk/252speed/6 def (or anything really), OR 80atk/244sp.atk/188 speed

Agility
Aura Sphere/Focus Blast/Close Combat
Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
HP Ice

Come in on CB Stone Edges/Crunches, Agility on an expected switch (or attack with prediction), then smack their faces into submission.

Use the second spread if you use Close Combat. Each set still lets you outrun Timid ScarfGar I believe. If you wanted to go in a more bulky path, try out CB Machamp, probably with a more bulky spread if you wish. Either of these can go over Breloom.
I Like the first set pretty well, I can put>> Vappy probly, since SpecsDra is so unpredicted, Vappy isn't needed.

So, currently my team is:
Azelf
SpecsDra
ScarfGar
Breloom
CB Scizor
Agililuke

One thing i noticed is that Anti mentioned how SR doesn't really help me. SR does factor in quite a few games, though. Anti opened up the bandage on the wound and showed that Azelf really isn't doing much. I'm going to try a different anti-lead that I found worked pretty well, considering all the Aero and Azelf leads.

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature- Inner Focus
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Fake Out
Protect
Ice Shard
Night Slash/Pursuit

thoughts?

 

[Anti]

Honestly I just really hate anti-leads. They're more useful than they used to be but it's really awful when your pokemon is so insanely specialized that you rely on your opponent for it to have any use. Obviously I'm against putting in Weavile given my opinion on that (and Weavile sucks as it is).

As for the changes, I personally don't like them. Scizor was one of the most useful members of your team (certainly more so than slow and blisswalled kingdra), and you replaced it.

Also, the difference between your team which doesn't seem to care about speed and others is that those are bulky offensive, while this can't take a hit. That's precisely the problem.

I still think that Azelf, Breloom (especially with the inclusion of Lucario), and Kingdra/Vaporeon (one or the other) should be replaced. Breloom is just not all that great (seriously, EVERYTHING outspeeds it and many top pokemon laugh off its attacks). Azelf, as you have addressed, is not needed and should also be replaced. Kingdra and Vaporeon are largely redundant in coverage and get squashed by the same thing. Having both is not necessary. I would personally keep Vaporeon since Wish support is extremely useful, and Kingdra is pretty slow and has trouble with the ever-common Blissey anyways.

I don't think Agililuke is addressing the main problem of this team, which is no defense but lacking heavy hitters to make up for it. I'd either go in the direction of bulky offense or all-out offense. Right now it's right in the middle and that's probably not a good thing.

 

[Archer]

So, currently my team is:
Azelf
SpecsDra
ScarfGar
Breloom
CB Scizor
Agililuke

One thing i noticed is that Anti mentioned how SR doesn't really help me. SR does factor in quite a few games, though. Anti opened up the bandage on the wound and showed that Azelf really isn't doing much. I'm going to try a different anti-lead that I found worked pretty well, considering all the Aero and Azelf leads.

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature- Inner Focus
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Fake Out
Protect
Ice Shard
Night Slash/Pursuit

thoughts?

Um, what on earth is Protect doing there? Aside from letting them set up of course. :D Brick Break over Protect lets you deal with TTar Leads. Another anti-lead idea is Abomasnow. Hail doesn't really hamper you team (I realise it doesn't help it) and it allows pretty much all sashes to be broken automatically. Ice Shard, with the right EVs, etc should then be able to OHKO most suicide leads. Yours will probably work better, although I thought I'd mention this.

As for Vaporeon, it won't stop "scaring off" Gyarados, as Gyarados can't see your EVs. Besides, DDLO Gyara's EQ has a chance at 2HKOing the set with SAtk EVs, iirc. If you doubt Vappy's ability to down Gyara, fit SR some where on the team.

I don't see why you evicted Scizor. It is very different to Luke (that set) and provides a backup TTar repellant.

Look, you could always let Suicide leads run their course and spin hazards out again. That sort of goes against Offensive play, but you're hardly making a standard offensive team. Bulky Starmie could replace Vappy and or Kingdra, while spinning and remaining either fast or fitting the Bulky Offense blueprint.

 

[Dark Azelf]

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