Pro choice or pro life?

[Virtual Chatot]

But if you are saying ALWAYS give it up for adoption, would you truly say the same if it were a raped women?

I'll repeat what I said earlier, why would you want to kill the child? In my mind, that makes the woman just as bad as the rapist.

 

[Angela]

Oh, okay. So just kill it off because it could potentially be born with some sort of disease. That seems totally legit. I guess every kid with any sort of mental disability is a "monster" then too, huh? I'm bipolar, and I have ADHD. I guess I should never be allowed to have kids then, huh?
Oh, and the bold: Wanna tell me where you got that little piece of information? I had no idea that the lack of Dopamine influenced ADHD. In fact, I was always under the impression that it was the other way around. Plus, to the line stating "Dopamine causes happiness," you should probably do your homework before saying things like that. Depression and ADHD, although often seen together, are two entirely different mental health disorders.
ADHD=/= Crazy. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Oh, so you're acknowledging that, after a certain point the child is alive, but you just don't care. I'm not even sure where you stand in this arguement any more. Typically, the counter-arguement for people who are pro-choice is that the child isn't living on its own, and relies on its mother's nourishment to survive, which is legit. You're just saying that, because you don't want it, you don't care whether or not it feels any pain at all, you're gonna have it killed anyways. And, sorry, I was wrong. In the US, abortions can still take place within 3 months of pregnancy, not 4. Regardless, the brain, heart, and spinal cord all begin to develop within 3 weeks of the pregnancy, the basic shape of a human embryo is noticeable by week 5, and the central nervous system begins to develop by week 9.
I was just telling you that, legally, the father does have a choice in the fate of the pregnancy. But apparently you're above the law anyways, so...
I...don't even know how to counter that. Well, if you really think it's okay to just go throw yourself down a flight of stairs because you don't want to have to support a baby, then you should probably seek mental help. Which, according to your logic, means you should probably never have a baby anyways, seeing as you may pass down that "violent gene" to it.
Look, haven't changed my views at all since posting here, I still believe that a woman should be given the choice up to a certain point in the pregnancy, especially under the circumstances of rape and/or incest, or if it puts her own life in danger, but your logic here is seriously flawed.

Actually my point with the ADHD was that those were the people who were at more risk to become addicted to alcohol and drugs, and it has been proved, let me ask you, whom of us is majoring in nature science, oh wait that's me, I did a whole essay on Dopamine, and a bunch of the nerve chemicals, got a 95%, and that was just an example to show you that there are more things out there that were caused by inheriting, kids with any sort of ADHD are in more danger of becoming addicted to drugs, and FYI I stopped talking about the ADHD people when I say'd crazy people, ADHD people are not crazy, what ever would make you think that?




And yes the violence gene is inherited between generations, that's my main point, while trying to drag 2 different subject's into this I apologize for that, and yes,


Really bipolar, interesting, I'm gonna get to know you better, well bipolar may be a curtain crazy, but exactly the crazy I was referring to, I was more talking about rubbing shjit on walls crazy,


And that stairs comment was meant for shock value, so glad it caught your attention, and do you know whom replied to this, men, there is no female that said anything, that's because the men know their powerless, I'm just rubbing it in their face, seriously I myself would never toss myself down some stairs, but I'm glad I caught your attention, I got the reaction I wanted, the men to realize their lack off power when it comes to this matter that is why they all commented here some accusing me of being crazy, you know what I see from reading the post, they all accuse me a of violence against the baby how odd, well I'm pretty sure that most of them would use violence on me if I were carrying their baby and would want to have it aborted, in fact they'd probably use violence on their teen girlfriends that want an abortion then spit it in their face that they would be hurting a baby,

Actually the abortion takes merely minutes, and I think thats better then a whole life of being hated (That is for the rape child), and as I stated in a post couple of pages forward, I would not abort a baby unless I was raped or had a medical decease, so I wont be going down any stairs ever, because I wont have too, I plan on keeping my baby's, I'm gonna have a lot of them.


And the alcohol was merely to rub it into the face of the males on here that they are coming of to needy, and if they do then someday some horrible woman will do that.

At least give the baby away to adoption, I don't see the logic in harming an innocent child just because you don't feel like having it.

That's like saying it was fine for the Holocaust to have happened, because the Nazi Germans did not want them to exist.

The only person I'll ever truly trust is me, so I can't imagine giving away my child to anyone else, and I would not give the baby to a family member because it's my baby, and would be my responsibility no ones else,

So no adoptions for me ever, unless I'm the one adopting.
Were the Jewish people in my tummy?

Angela, I'm sorry, but what you're saying is ridiculous. First off, it's your body and even though the child wouldn't be inside of it without the male's sperm, the decision as to whether or not the abortion should take place lies completely with you? I'm sorry, but that sounds to me like you're just extremely bias against men and that you don't believe they possess any good form of judgement at all.

And Angela, the whole thing about killing the baby by throwing yourself down a flight of stairs or making it look ugly by drinking obsessively is just... sick. I'm sorry, but it's pretty obvious that no one would do that to themselves unless they were seriously messed up. The law is flawed in many aspects, but unfortunately that doesn't give you the right to rise above it and kill your child because things aren't going your way.

Are you honestly petty enough to wreck up your child's life in order to get back at the father? Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds, at all? Seriously, Angela, it's not fun reading psychotic posts.

Also, sorry guys, I'll post a huge tl;dr post about my views on abortion when I get the time.

To be honest I'm a complete troll when it comes to men and their opinion on how they should behave, I'm a feminist inspirit (I live in a country with a lesbian primeminester so what else to expect from me), men can make good decision but when it comes to womans they're judgment is all cloudy, the woman has been in the shadow in the male for so long and still is in some countries, so I don't really listen to males and their judgments on things like that, I mean for the passed 2000 years he has had the control over things as simple as that (or at least he thought he had it), and some off that narrow minded male view still lingers here today, so I'm sorry to come off so anti male, I mean men have great judgment on some fields, such as science.

I don't consider sperm anything more than sex cells. If contraception is used to prevent conception, that's one thing. If it's used to terminate it, that's another thing. I believe life begins at conception because it's scientifically true and I believe that's when the spirit of life is breathed into mankind. So if you're using pills to kill a child in the womb, yeah I have a problem with that. If contraception is being used to stop the sperm from even getting near the eggs, that's not as big a deal because the components of life haven't even come into contact yet.
What? Could you rephrase that?



So because you don't know for sure that the child would live like a king with no burdens in life, you'd rather just pull the plug? What's more important- the child living with someone that wants and can care for it or your feelings being hurt over thoughts that your child that is being raised by another family might resent you for putting its best interests ahead of your own? Look, we all like to think that a parent's job is to be loved by their child rather than make sure their child gets love from them; we like to think parents are meant to be their child's friend first. Well it's not your job to worry about being liked by your kid. You're supposed to be their parent first and their friend second, so if giving them up for adoption is the only way you know they'll have a chance because you know you're not going to be able to provide for them, you do what's best for your child and to hell with any ill will the child might bear towards you years later. So they might not slobber over you when they're older because they learn you gave them up. At least you'll live knowing you put your child's future before your own selfish feelings or self-pity, and eventually the child might come around and realize this too. A parent should put their kids before their feelings. Maybe it sounds harsh, but if being hated by your kid is the price you have to pay to give them a shot at life, so be it.



Violent gene? What? Seriously.



Well let's bring up God then. I assume you're talking about the Lord, my God. Let's take a look at what the Bible has to say about this.

The Bible states that God knows us in the womb and knows us before birth, and that anyone that harms a pregnant woman and kills her child should be treated no differently than a murderer that killed a grown man. Seriously, I'm not a theologian, but I at least try to learn what the Bible and my God have to say on a topic. And that's not a response to you because I didn't even get what you were saying. <=/
Oh yes, thank God some jerk on the internet that suggested that it's better to get an operation to birth birth to a child and live with a scar than to just kill the child out of inconvenience will never dictate policies on unnecessary child smothering. I mean, you're so right! Why let the child be born if it means you'll have to live with a harmless scar on your gut? Your image way is more important than a human life after all.
And yeah, screw those selfish dads that don't want their partners ending the lives of their children! They only contribute half the chromosomes to create the kid and are just as much the child's parent as the mother, so it's not like they should have a say in the matter or anything right? For God's sake...
...WHAT? Do you even know what an ectopic pregnancy is? Instead of growing in the uterus, the fertilized egg ends up sticking to the fallopian tubes and growing there. If the child isn't moved then the child will die and the mother will as well. It's not an abortion in my view to intervene in that situation where both lives will end up being lost. But maybe I'm sick for not wanting to lose two lives instead of (regrettably) one. Maybe I'm sick for not wanting the child to get crushed in the tubes and leave the mother to endure the destruction of her innards. Yeah, it's sick to not want a literal explosion in a person to kill her. I'm messed up alright
So it is sick to move the child from the fallopian tubes to save one of the lives rather than lose both, but it's not sick to kill a child unnecessarily when no one's life is in danger because of how the woman got pregnant? Yeah, that's consistent.
Are you kidding? No, yeah, you're very generous to take time out of your schedule to educate me. You've opened my eyes.
I don't think I said it was. I said it was killing. Murder is the illegal killing of another person, which invokes the law. Currently thanks to judicial activists abortion is legal and not technically murder, which is odd since a man can be charged with second degree murder for killing a pregnant woman, but that's the law. But it is still killing human life.
What?
Well it's only your opinion that the only opinion that matters is the woman's opinion. It's my opinion that my opinion is just as valid an opinion as any woman's opinion regardless of my inability to get knocked up. And it's just my opinion that being a woman shouldn't give you a monopoly over life. It takes two to tango, and I think that if the father doesn't want the body of his offspring ripped apart with medical appliances, maybe he should be consulted since it's just as much his child as it is the mother's child. Kind of goes back to what I said- it's a child, not a choice.

The are you sick comment was a joke, of course no one wants two people too die, but do you honestly want the a child to be born in this world unwanted, with people that throw people words around peoples face, with all these peoples wore shipping a 1000 years old book I'm not really sure if I want to bring a baby to this world (A joke).


"I would never spoil my body just because some loser creep downtown couldn't keep it in his pants, I would not want to wake up and see the scare on my lower body that would just remind me off the rape, I could not bare it having to remember the rape every day for the rest off my life, but I would be willing to spoil my body when I'm older and have a husband.."

"I feel pity for the girl you wind up with, you'll slave her until she has 20 kids *A joke*", not allowing her to take the morning after pill that kills anything that might have gotten to far, so your also against the morning after pill, listen mister if you don't change your attitude then you'll be paying the mother's of your baby's money for the rest of your life.


And yes I believe pulling the plug is better then having a unwanted child.


And yes there is a gene that controls violence it passes on from one generation to another, and it has been proved that some rapist and most violent people have it, such as the ones that hit their wifes, that gene passes on from father to son, or father to daughter, and if your lucky the child won't get the gene.

I'll repeat what I said earlier, why would you want to kill the child? In my mind, that makes the woman just as bad as the rapist.

Actually no it does not.








EDIT:
Okay people I'm out, keep up the conversation I only hope I have spiced it up I'm off to bed so good night, I'll reply more tomorrow.

 

[Metatron]

Actually my point with the ADHD was that those were the people who were at more risk to become addicted to alcohol and drugs, and it has been proved, let me ask you, whom of us is majoring in nature science, oh wait that's me, I did a whole essay on Dopamine, and a bunch of the nerve chemicals, got a 95%, and that was just an example to show you that there are more things out there that were caused by inheriting, kids with any sort of ADHD are in more danger of becoming addicted to drugs, and FYI I stopped talking about the ADHD people when I say'd crazy people, ADHD people are not crazy, what ever would make you think that?

Alright, look; I don't now who the hell you think you are talking to me like that. You don't know me, or anything about my life, so just stop assuming that, because you got a good score on your science test last week, you're somehow the most qualified person here to be talking about subjects like this. I fail to see how taking a "nature science" course could possibly educate you on the chemical balance of people faced with mental health disorders, but whatever, I don't judge you. I only ask that you inturn, don't judge me or anyone else at this site, and stop assuming that you know more than you actually do. Especially when you start making claims such as "men should not have the right to an opinion over abortion because they can't get pregnant."

Oh, and your terrible grammar doesn't help help your case much either. "Say'd," huh?

Really bipolar, interesting, I'm gonna get to know you better, well bipolar may be a curtain crazy, but exactly the crazy I was referring to, I was more talking about rubbing shjit on walls crazy

"Curtain Crazy?" Is that the label you're gonna give people like me now? Alright, well, you can think whatever you want about about me; I honestly could care less.

And that stairs comment was meant for shock value, so glad it caught your attention, and do you know whom replied to this, men, there is no female that said anything, that's because the men know their powerless

...Powerless against what? You're not making any sense, Seriously, you should probably start working on the way you're wording things because it seems like no one here is actually able to understand what the hell you're trying to say.

the men to realize their lack off power when it comes to this matter that is why they all commented here some accusing me of being crazy

No, people here accused you of being crazy because you said that, if you got pregnant and didn't want to take care of the child, and if it was too late into the pregnancy to get an abortion, you would throw yourself down a flight of stairs. Seems like a legit reason to me, anyways. Even if you didn't actually mean it, and it was for the "shock" factor, the fact that you would even talk like that totally sickens me. You've somehow managed to twist this thread into an entirely different conversation. Good job.

 

[Agent Cobalt]

The are you sick comment was a joke

Really?

I'm actually going to focus more on the fact that you think it's right to abort when the child is attached to the tubes, I mean stick with your arguments, you think it's okay to kill a child when it's stuck to the tubes, are you sick or something (No offence),,,,,,,,

That doesn't really read like a joke. I mean, you even put "no offense" which you usually don't do when joking; you say something like "just kidding." No offense is something people say when they know they're being offensive but don't want to get in trouble for it. But then I'm fan of logic and reason, so my bad if I didn't understand your joke. (No offense)

of course no one wants two people too die, but do you honestly want the a child to be born in this world unwanted, with people that throw people words around peoples face, with all these peoples wore shipping a 1000 years old book I'm not really sure if I want to bring a baby to this world (A joke).

No child is unwanted. Just because you wouldn't want it doesn't mean someone someone else wouldn't.

"I would never spoil my body just because some loser creep downtown couldn't keep it in his pants, I would not want to wake up and see the scare on my lower body that would just remind me off the rape, I could not bare it having to remember the rape every day for the rest off my life, but I would be willing to spoil my body when I'm older and have a husband.."

Ok, so we've established that you value looks over life and that to be responsible and give birth to your child would be spoiling your body. Gotcha.

"I feel pity for the girl you wind up with, you'll slave her until she has 20 kids *A joke*", not allowing her to take the morning after pill that kills anything that might have gotten to far, so your also against the morning after pill, listen mister if you don't change your attitude then you'll be paying the mother's of your baby's money for the rest of your life.

You know, you're not really that funny, and it's not because of your bad writing. It's because your jokes aren't really jokes. They're insults with *joke* added at the end, and since this isn't a Comedy Central Roast I don't "get" the hit and run attacks.

And yes I believe pulling the plug is better then having a unwanted child.

So convenience for you over life. Ok.

And yes there is a gene that controls violence it passes on from one generation to another, and it has been proved that some rapist and most violent people have it, such as the ones that hit their wifes, that gene passes on from father to son, or father to daughter, and if your lucky the child won't get the gene.

Right, just like the obesity/gay/drug use/ADD/road rage/suicide/enter bad behavior here gene. I don't believe at all in a violence gene. Instead of trying to put the blame for people's actions on genes, why not hold people responsible for their own actions? I mean, I guess you would kill your kid to avoid a scar because of a selfish gene and not because that's just who you are right? *joke* I guess it's good you wouldn't have the kid so it wouldn't get your condition. *joke*

 

[Yamikarasu]

Right, just like the obesity/gay/drug use/ADD/road rage/suicide/enter bad behavior here gene.

Not to go off topic, but this incredibly stupid comment pretty much invalidated every post you've made, but we'll just pretend it never happened, shall we? Take your bigotry (or just blatant ignorance) elsewhere, I don't want to hear it. I'm really having trouble controlling my anger right now and keeping my language clean, so needless to say if this wasn't a Pokemon forum, you'd be hearing a lot more from me about it.

Anyway, I've posted in this topic before, and like I've said my opinion is that people should use contraceptives. If they don't use these and have a baby, then that is their fault, and they should live with it without aborting the future child. Even if a couple uses contraception, and for some reason it doesn't work, then the couple should have been prepared for that possibility before they had sex and again, they should take responsibility.

Now, I don't think abortion is anywhere near the same level as killing an actual human being, which in my opinion is a person who has actually been born. While still an embryo, the "child" is really no more than a clump of cells, and while it has the "potential" to become a human being, it is not equal to a human being until it is born. If I had to give a more precise definition of the line between pre-human and human, it would be the moment when the baby can survive outside of the womb without artificial support.

Abortion should be used in cases like rape, and in cases like this I would think it would be best to abort the embryo as soon as possible. In cases outside of rape or some other form of forced impregnation, it's the couple's own damn fault and they should take responsibility.

And I really don't think that is the woman's choice alone, it's the couple's choice.

 

[Agent Cobalt]

Not to go off topic, but this incredibly stupid comment pretty much invalidated every post you've made, but we'll just pretend it never happened, shall we? Take your bigotry (or just blatant ignorance) elsewhere, I don't want to hear it. I'm really having trouble controlling my anger right now and keeping my language clean, so needless to say if this wasn't a Pokemon forum, you'd be hearing a lot more from me about it.

If you have a problem with something I've said, then out with it. I shouldn't have to deal with lame hit and run insults like yours without an explanation. If you think throwing insults at me, telling me to keep quiet, and acting like there's nothing else that needs to be said as if to say "case closed" is going to contain me and silence me, you're wrong. I don't know what on God's green Earth was so wrong with what I said that caused you to have a temper tantrum. I saw the bolded words and I still think you're mad over nothing. I find that those that are more interested in making libelous claims than they are in making points really have nothing important to say explaining said claims.

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

Hmm, I think that he thought that you were saying that being gay and being overweight are genetic detrimental (well I mean no one wants to be overweight... but you know what I mean) traits.

I don't think this is what you were saying. I think you were saying that saying that the above listed things are genetic is ridiculous, just like the violent gene. That's what I thought you said, but I'd like to know: Is that what you meant to say?

 

[Agent Cobalt]

Hmm, I think that he thought that you were saying that being gay and being overweight are genetic detrimental (well I mean no one wants to be overweight... but you know what I mean) traits.

I don't think this is what you were saying. I think you were saying that saying that the above listed things are genetic is ridiculous, just like the violent gene. That's what I thought you said, but I'd like to know: Is that what you meant to say?

God no, I wasn't saying being fat or gay is genetic. I was giving examples of things people try to blame on genes rather than the human condition. If he was mad about me saying people are predestined to be obese then he needs to recheck what I've posted.

Anyway, you were right.

 

[Underoos]

I don't like the idea of taking a 'soon to be' life.
But hell, life is taken every second, and I am in no place to judge what a mother decides.
I personally admire rape victims keeping the rape child by choice though.


Rape happens too you know.

Edit; I can admire the rape victim keeping her rape child because even though that extra life was thrown at her, she made the choice to keep it.
It's sort of like saying 'I love my children no matter what'.

Oh I know it happens, and I'm not saying the mother has the choice of having sex or something. That's far from what I meant. What I mean is that I don't think if you choose to willingly have sex and have it unprotected (without wanting a baby/being unmarried) is very smart. If the person is raped, I don't think that they can help it much.

 

[processr]

Okay, I'm going to attempt to wade into this debate and actually justify my stance without simply saying "rape, you get me?".

I am pro-choice in certain circumstances. The labels of pro-choice and pro-life are very limiting, I feel, and many see them as two extremes. I think abortion is permissible in cases where the mother or child is at grave physical or mental risk (or in mortal danger) as a result of the birth, and in cases where the child would be severely physically or mentally handicapped (as in, to the point where their quality of life would be so low that it wouldn't be a life worth living). Additionally, I believe an abortion should only be carried out before 24 weeks of the pregnancy have passed - the point at which it is currently accepted (under British law, at any rate) that a baby can survive outside of the womb, albeit with extensive care. My view is much in line with the British legal system's view, though I frown upon abortions performed because the mother believes she cannot care for the baby, or simply does not want it.

And now for my reasoning. I believe a person should have autonomy over their body, on the most part; childbirth is supposedly the most painful experience a woman can go through, and to go through that to give birth to a child who may not survive or may have a severely reduced quality of life cannot be good. In the case of children who are simply not wanted or cannot be supported financially I would be in favour of putting them up for adoption. Ultimately, I think a woman should have the right to choose what happens to their own body, and if they have the conscience to go through with an abortion then so be it, in my opinion (presuming the conditions I stated above are met).

So, to sum up, I am in favour of a woman's right to have an abortion:

• When the mother's physical or mental health is at grave risk.
• When the child's physical or mental health is at grave risk.
• When the child's quality of life would be severely low.
• When the child would be severely physically or mentally handicapped.
• Where the mother's life is in grave danger.
• Where the child's life is in grave danger.

Additionally, in all cases except the final two the woman must not have been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.

I am opposed to abortion:

• When the mother has been raped. (This is probably the main point upon which I differ from the majority of pro-choice people.)
• When the mother cannot afford to support the child.
• When the mother simply does not want the child. (Assuming her reasoning is not one of the cases in which I support abortion.)
• When the mother or father simply 'forgot' to use contraception.
• When the mother has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.

Please counter my points and I will attempt to come back with some justification.

 

[Zet]

Okay, I'm going to attempt to wade into this debate and actually justify my stance without simply saying "rape, you get me?".

I am pro-choice in certain circumstances. The labels of pro-choice and pro-life are very limiting, I feel, and many see them as two extremes. I think abortion is permissible in cases where the mother or child is at grave physical or mental risk (or in mortal danger) as a result of the birth, and in cases where the child would be severely physically or mentally handicapped (as in, to the point where their quality of life would be so low that it wouldn't be a life worth living). Additionally, I believe an abortion should only be carried out before 24 weeks of the pregnancy have passed - the point at which it is currently accepted (under British law, at any rate) that a baby can survive outside of the womb, albeit with extensive care. My view is much in line with the British legal system's view, though I frown upon abortions performed because the mother believes she cannot care for the baby, or simply does not want it.

And now for my reasoning. I believe a person should have autonomy over their body, on the most part; childbirth is supposedly the most painful experience a woman can go through, and to go through that to give birth to a child who may not survive or may have a severely reduced quality of life cannot be good. In the case of children who are simply not wanted or cannot be supported financially I would be in favour of putting them up for adoption. Ultimately, I think a woman should have the right to choose what happens to their own body, and if they have the conscience to go through with an abortion then so be it, in my opinion (presuming the conditions I stated above are met).

So, to sum up, I am in favour of a woman's right to have an abortion:

• When the mother's physical or mental health is at grave risk.
• When the child's physical or mental health is at grave risk.
• When the child's quality of life would be severely low.
• When the child would be severely physically or mentally handicapped.
• Where the mother's life is in grave danger.
• Where the child's life is in grave danger.

Additionally, in all cases except the final two the woman must not have been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.

I am opposed to abortion:

• When the mother has been raped. (This is probably the main point upon which I differ from the majority of pro-choice people.)
• When the mother cannot afford to support the child.
• When the mother simply does not want the child. (Assuming her reasoning is not one of the cases in which I support abortion.)
• When the mother or father simply 'forgot' to use contraception.
• When the mother has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks.

Please counter my points and I will attempt to come back with some justification.

So in a nutshell you're pretty much saying women do have their rights to abortions only if it falls under a particular category? For example you're girlfriend/wife was raped and got pregnant and they wanted to abort you wouldn't allow them to abort and just keep the unwanted baby?
Aaaand, if the woman has a metal pipe sticking right through her she's allowed to abort? and if the baby has a metal pipe through it, the woman can abort it?

 

[processr]

So in a nutshell you're pretty much saying women do have their rights to abortions only if it falls under a particular category? For example you're girlfriend/wife was raped and got pregnant and they wanted to abort you wouldn't allow them to abort and just keep the unwanted baby?

I believe that aborting a baby that has resulted from an act of rape only serves to add to the destruction. And perhaps I didn't quite get down everything I wanted to in the post. While I oppose abortion in certain cirumstances I wouldn't completely forbid someone to do so. Jeez, since when was I the ultimate authority? ¬_¬

Aaaand, if the woman has a metal pipe sticking right through her she's allowed to abort? and if the baby has a metal baby through it, the woman can abort it?

What have metal pipes and metal babies got to do with anything?

 

[Zet]

oops I meant a metal pipe sticking through the baby *edits* xD and as I said it's another example on the matter of grave danger to rape

 

[True Reign]

I am pro choice.

In my opinion, I believe that a woman should have a fair choice on if she gets to keep the baby or not since it is her body and she is the one that is going to go through all that pain in child birth.

 

[processr]

oops I meant a metal pipe sticking through the baby *edits* xD and as I said it's another example on the matter of grave danger to rape

;D

If the mother has a metal pipe through her... Well, I doubt she's going to survive with that through her. =| As for the baby, who the heck put their pipe in someone's womb? D=

Aside from being facetious, in terms of a mother's/child's life being in danger when they are born, I usually turn to the example of the ectopic pregnancy. The mother's life is in great danger if the child develops in the Fallopian tubes, and thus I would consider it to be morally justified if the pregnancy was terminated, as it would be saving the mother's life. I guess this sort of example would fall under the Doctrine of Double Effect.

 

[Vannah☆]

Why give the kid a terrible life? Honestly...

 

[icomeanon6]

Why give the kid a terrible life? Honestly...

So you're saying it's okay to kill someone just because it looks like their life isn't likely to be a good one? I disagree completely. Everyone has a right to pursue happiness, and who are we to take that right away from a child? Besides, not all babies who might have been aborted are going to be raised by people who don't want children. Have you ever heard of an institution called adoption? There are a ton of people out there who want to take care of the babies that are being thrown away through abortion.

 

[processr]

Why give the kid a terrible life? Honestly...

Care to give, oh, I don't know, some reasons why you think this?

And I'll echo icomeanon6's sentiments about adoption.

 

[latioslegends]

Pro Life.

I just don't see how is it is possibly right at all to kill a child. Human cell or not, it still becomes a child no matter what, and under any circumstance is it 100% wrong right just to kill it for personal desire. If the carrier does not want the child, at least try adoption as a option if the case was rape, or got pregnant as a teenager out of some stupid mistake.

 

[UltimaLink007]

Pro-Life. There should only be an abortion if the mother's life is in danger. Not just for the reason of murder either, although that is the biggest one. Allowing abortions is like a "get out of jail free card" for teenagers to have unprotected sex.

"Oh, wow... I got pregnant!"

"It's okay baby, just get an abortion and let's have some more fun!"

"Okay!"