Here is the thing though, Christians have calmed down and most don't marry under 18. The Christians are the one who make sure you DON'T marry under 18. When Muslims stop being crazy over here and in my homeland I'll stop hating them.
By state law, need I remind you. There are other places in the world, Islamic countries even, where marrying below eighteen is a criminal offence.
Marrying at 16 is very bad in the first place, it isn't out of love most of the time. I also believe the kid leaving you is bad, but back in Poland, least in Krakow, We will beat some guy that does stuff like that in. But we have Morals and are raised with them.
Disregard the inherent evils within marriage at sixteen(we've established that its not a favourable option) and instead tell me why you think it's bad to get married at sixteen. I don't want to hear that something is bad because it's bad. I want to hear why it's bad for logical reasons. Besides that, I'm sure you know the rest of the world isn't Poland, nor even Krakow, the same way that the WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD isn't made up of the Middle East, nor the radicalists who take the teachings of Islam out of context, so don't base your argument about the kind of vigilante justice you may carry out where you're from because the rest of the world doesn't work that way.
It robs an immature person to make rational discussions that they won't regret later on in life. It is morally wrong in America, and Western Society, which is what this is about(it being banned in the Western Society of Tennessee). I know a couple girls like that, whom I was not friends with, but I still beat the dudes up. But it is also the female's fault for having pre-marital sex, without knowing if it was love or lust. I've had pre-marital sex, but I love this girl and she is the only one I've been with, and it's the same for her. I believe at max a person should only sleep with 5 people in their life times(and that's at max). I also know Poland isn't the center of the world, specially as a brand new immigrant to the US. Also, before you say I would blame a rape victim, no I wouldn't, I hate paedophilia and rape more than anything and when I get more money(I just work with PJ now) I will give large amounts into a foundation to fight both of them.
I'm sure you mean rational decisions, not discussions. Also, I don't really see how being married robs anyone of their free will. Divorce, although something abhorred in both Islam and Christianity, is still a viable option. Contrary to popular belief, Muslim woman do have the right to divorce (called Khula) their husbands. Of course, you don't need divorce if the marriage is a happy one, so that nullifies your point really. Where's the regret if the marriage is a happy one?
No, this thread is about Shariah law being banned in Tennessee. The law in the US has always been secular, so Shariah law has no bearing on their/your judicial system except for when the laws do not contradict.
I frankly don't care if you beat them up or not. I'm more worried about the rest of the world, as I've said. What your practices in Poland were, are not necessarily applicable to the rest of the world.
Yes, exactly. The fault of the INDIVIDUAL and not the fault of the religion. In the case of underage marriage(or arranged marriages) in the Middle-East, it's the fault of the culture and not the fault of the religion.
This is a different topic entirely, but what if those people whom you 'sleep with' get pregnant? Are you going to take responsibility? And no, don't get me started on using contraception. If contraception is such a godsend, why do we still have women whose boyfriends have left after learning on the pregnancy?
Err... yeah, I never said that. I don't push beliefs on other people in an argument, rather, I question their stance. It's nice and all that you're working towards charity, but it's really irrelevant. If you want to make it relevant, let me tell you that Shariah law makes it mandatory to donate a set percentile of your earnings to charity (zakat/zakah). You don't need to donate anything if you're part of the impoverished.
Yes, I did make a mistake, but the girls marry so young they don't know other people, and can truly not know if it is real love in most situations.
Tennessee is western.
I know it happens here in Colorado too.
The Religion supports the Culture though, so it is still fault of the religion.
Yes, if my Girlfriend gets pregnant I will raise the child, even if our relationship doesn't work out. My child, my responsibility.
Donating to Muslim charities is different than donating to a cause you feel very passionate about, that isn't based on religion or something you practice.
This is the same as adultery. I don't wish to go into a philosophical argument, but you're basing your argument on this point about the girl not knowing what love truly is. You're neglecting the side of the argument in which the couple is a happy one. You can love even if you're not happy, and you can be happy without knowing love. The first part is true especially where you see a married man taking care of his wife who has a disease which causes unhappiness (eg. Schizophrenia), or a married woman sticking to her alcoholic, abusive husband out of love.
Your point being? It's still part of the USA.
*Facepalm* Okay, you're missing the point here. I can point out loads of other places where you don't have this kind of thing. In fact, I think I will if you insist on telling me where this kind of practice is carried out: Japan, China, the UK, New York, Sweden, etc... I admit that this kind of vigilante justice is carried out in certain places, but it's not a viable option to avoid this kind of thing from happening in the first place.
Excuse me? Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? You can't claim that religion supports culture. They're both separate things. In fact, those cultural practices you see that are so wrong arise from the careless misinterpretation of religious texts from a culture that has always been, before Islam, mysogynistic to an extent. Again, the fault of the individual who misread the thing in the first place.
Hypothetical scenario: Five women (Your maximum amount). Say all of them get pregnant. Are you willing to take care of five different children? Highly unlikely, but the possibility is there. Also, what about everyone else in the world. Not everyone is a 'saint' like you. Some, if not all, boyfriends leave their girlfriends entirely after discovering about the pregnancy. At least under a marriage, both parents are under a legal obligation to care for the welfare of the child.
How is it different and how is the latter a better thing? Zakat is distributed fairly among the poor (muslims) and seven other different types of people. Donating to a cause you feel strongly about means that you're singling out a fraction of the population whom you really want to help without regard, or benefit, to the other impoverished elsewhere. This kind of voluntary donation is called sadaqah in Islam fyi. Voluntary charity aside, modern secular law has nothing to say on collecting charity for the needy --in most places anyway.
I have to go somewhere, so I am only going to say one thing. If all 5 women were to be pregnant I would take care of them. My grandpa was a child of 12. I will take care of each and everyone cause they are my kin. This is very unlikely though, as I don't jump in the sack quick and I take times between my relationship.
Then post later, or better yet, VM me if you fear the thread might be locked. I personally think you're missing the point. It's not what you might do; it's what others do every day. I think you should reread my response to that point since you're obviously in a hurry.
Nobody can prove history, don't be silly. Even the most seemingly concrete evidence can be disputed.
You're generalizing. Extremism exists independently of religion, as has been said multiple times. There are just as many Christian extremists as there are Muslim extremists. The KKK, the WBC, and, in my opinion, everyone in the "Tea Party" are all Christian extremists. The German Nazis were also Christians.
I know these groups exist, I am a so called "nazi", a proud National Socialist, as it was how my grandpa severed. There are many bad Muslims in Europe though.
You know that not many people like Nazis, and yet you're probably thinking that the political theory is just misunderstood. Why do you have to be so bigoted when you yourself face persecution? Yes there are bad muslims, but Islam, the religion, is not a one-way ticket to hell. As twocows have said, and as what I've been trying to tell you this whole time. It's not the religion; it's the people. Stop generalizing. It's like you're hating Islam for the sake of hating Islam, which is really offensive, considering you're making your views public. When you make your views public, you're opening yourself up to scrutiny. Hatred is the only thing you cannot have without justification because it's bound to offend certain people. If you want to hate someone, fine, keep it to yourself. You don't have to make other people hate them too. Really, all you're doing is spreading strife if you are hating on Islam for the sake of it.
How would I face persecution? My Grandfather was a Polish Highlander like myself and in the SS. He shook hands with Adolf Hitler. NS is a thing many people barely know about, I hate muslims over here because it's my land, and I want everyone to have their own state.
I'm for the most part not interested in participating in this thread much any more, but the above is extremely amusing to me.
Abrahamic religions raped my land first. I just say, before I make an opinion, I want unbiased proof.
