Question about 2016 championship decks

Lyseth

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    Would they be legal if they're within sleeves that COMPLETELY conceal the redesigned back?
     
    Lyseth said:
    Would they be legal if they're within sleeves that COMPLETELY conceal the redesigned back?
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    Nope. If the 2016s are like the ones from past years, they've got a stamp of the player's signature on the front of them. This makes them "marked" cards, which are not allowed.

    That and, IIRC, all World Championship Deck cards are explicitly banned from play by being excluded from any legal set list for any official formats.
     
    donavannj said:
    Nope. If the 2016s are like the ones from past years, they've got a stamp of the player's signature on the front of them. This makes them "marked" cards, which are not allowed.

    That and, IIRC, all World Championship Deck cards are explicitly banned from play by being excluded from any legal set list for any official formats.
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    So..... they make cards as a deck that are.....forbidden? good logic tcg company, it's godly.

    EDIT: also I thought signatures on the artwork is fine but not on backs, besides, as stated, I'd have SOLID color sleeves on them.
     
    Lyseth said:
    So..... they make cards as a deck that are.....forbidden? good logic tcg company, it's godly.

    EDIT: also I thought signatures on the artwork is fine but not on backs, besides, as stated, I'd have SOLID color sleeves on them.
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    They're collector's items, they always have been. The box outright says that they're not tourney legal.

    I mean think about it this way, Shaymin EX was what, $40-45 in mid 2016? In most of the worlds decks you're getting 3. You're getting a lot of other pricier cards too. It wouldn't make financial sense for Nintendo to release game legal versions of these $200-$500 decks for like $15 and it wouldn't sit well with the community.

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    Hands said:
    They're collector's items, they always have been. The box outright says that they're not tourney legal.

    I mean think about it this way, Shaymin EX was what, $40-45 in mid 2016? In most of the worlds decks you're getting 3. You're getting a lot of other pricier cards too. It wouldn't make financial sense for Nintendo to release game legal versions of these $200-$500 decks for like $15 and it wouldn't sit well with the community.

    Edit: https://www.ezimba.com/work/170104C/ezimba18397317675000.png
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    *slow claps* cause any logical person would spend $200 or more on one deck.
     
    Hands said:
    Look if you're too cheap to play the game competitively that's fine, but stop crying because you can't read a simple message on the side of a box.
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    I'm not cheap, I just feel that $200 or more on a deck that's gonna be banned within a couple months (with new set arrivals), is stupid.
     
    Lyseth said:
    I'm not cheap, I just feel that $200 or more on a deck that's gonna be banned within a couple months (with new set arrivals), is stupid.
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    Well:

    1) Pokemon rotations don't happen with every new set. They happen once a year. We're still 8 months from the next set rotation for Standard. And every card released since the Black & White base set debuted in 2011 is still legal in the Expanded format, IIRC.

    2) That's a personal opinion that a lot of people who play CCGs like Magic, YGO, and Pokemon clearly don't share, otherwise secondhand market prices for cards wouldn't be that high in any of those games. If you don't want to pay those prices, it's your choice. Pokemon is seriously the cheapest of the 3 in terms of its secondhand market for its current Standard format.

    3) These decks are usually released after the yearly set rotation has happened, so some of their cards wouldn't be usable in Standard anyway even if they were legal.

    4) Playing with these cards is a great way to chance getting banned from a league or the game as a whole. Especially if you don't ask your opponent about using them for testing beforehand, and no tournament organizer is going to tolerate them during a tournament.

    And 5) Top-level players usually have the Pokemon TCG as their main hobby/interest and spending $200 over a couple months on one's main hobby/interest is actually quite common.
     
    donavannj said:
    Well:

    1) Pokemon rotations don't happen with every new set. They happen once a year. We're still 8 months from the next set rotation for Standard. And every card released since the Black & White base set debuted in 2011 is still legal in the Expanded format, IIRC.

    2) That's a personal opinion that a lot of people who play CCGs like Magic, YGO, and Pokemon clearly don't share, otherwise secondhand market prices for cards wouldn't be that high in any of those games. If you don't want to pay those prices, it's your choice. Pokemon is seriously the cheapest of the 3 in terms of its secondhand market for its current Standard format.

    3) These decks are usually released after the yearly set rotation has happened, so some of their cards wouldn't be usable in Standard anyway even if they were legal.

    4) Playing with these cards is a great way to chance getting banned from a league or the game as a whole. Especially if you don't ask your opponent about using them for testing beforehand, and no tournament organizer is going to tolerate them during a tournament.

    And 5) Top-level players usually have the Pokemon TCG as their main hobby/interest and spending $200 over a couple months on one's main hobby/interest is actually quite common.
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    Actually from what I've seen, yu-gi-oh competitive decks can actually be made into budget versions and work just fine, I have one deck that would originally cost $300, but I bought/had cards that could behave like substitutes and keep the consistency, trust me, I wanna play Pokemon competitively but I I wanted to use a Seismitoad/Meloetta round deck, and if it's banned/too pricey, then forget it really.
     
    Lyseth said:
    Actually from what I've seen, yu-gi-oh competitive decks can actually be made into budget versions and work just fine, I have one deck that would originally cost $300, but I bought/had cards that could behave like substitutes and keep the consistency, trust me, I wanna play Pokemon competitively but I I wanted to use a Seismitoad/Meloetta round deck, and if it's banned/too pricey, then forget it really.
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    You could run it without Shaymin. Shaymin is crazy expensive because it's a staple in everything because of its ability. I think there's a few cheaper alternatives that are worth a look.

    They do release play legal copies of pricier cards in tins to keep the game more accessible (at least they have historically), but not of the cards that work in literally every deck.
     
    donavannj said:
    You could run it without Shaymin. Shaymin is crazy expensive because it's a staple in everything because of its ability. I think there's a few cheaper alternatives that are worth a look.

    They do release play legal copies of pricier cards in tins to keep the game more accessible (at least they have historically), but not of the cards that work in literally every deck.
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    The main problem is getting the "N" trainer cards, they're a bit much (cash wise) IMO, most the others I own or can buy for like $0.10.
     
    Lyseth said:
    I'm not cheap, I just feel that $200 or more on a deck that's gonna be banned within a couple months (with new set arrivals), is stupid.
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    Then don't be snarky/rude to people who are taking time out of their day to answer your questions that you could've answered yourself with a quick google search or by reading the product. Sets do not rotate "every couple of months" and most decks remain, in one form or another, standard legal for 1-3 years. If you want to learn about this game, great, but stop coming out with these asinine "*slow claps*" comments about a game you clearly have little knowledge of.

    Lyseth said:
    The main problem is getting the "N" trainer cards, they're a bit much (cash wise) IMO, most the others I own or can buy for like $0.10.
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    pokemonprices.com/card_price/N

    N is not an expensive card as it has like 5 reprints. TCG aren't cheap. Pokemon is by far the cheapest.
     
    $3 is expensive? ~_~ i make that much in 10 minutes at work. You're just really cheap.
     
    PokeTCG441 said:
    $3 is expensive? ~_~ i make that much in 10 minutes at work. You're just really cheap.
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    I get my cards from TCGPlayer and Troll and Toad, they sell only ones that aren't pre-owned for like $8, a card costing that much isn't worth it IMO, as that's $24 for 3.
     
    Piccolo said:
    Then don't be snarky/rude to people who are taking time out of their day to answer your questions that you could've answered yourself with a quick google search or by reading the product. Sets do not rotate "every couple of months" and most decks remain, in one form or another, standard legal for 1-3 years. If you want to learn about this game, great, but stop coming out with these asinine "*slow claps*" comments about a game you clearly have little knowledge of.



    pokemonprices.com/card_price/N

    N is not an expensive card as it has like 5 reprints. TCG aren't cheap. Pokemon is by far the cheapest.
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    Dude, I built a winning Yugioh championship deck replica for $17 ($20 when you include S & H)
     
    Piccolo said:
    Oh so you ranked top 8 at worlds?
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    I truly want to participate in the worlds, but it's a bad time unless you play "Nekroz" a deck that's basically insta-win and costs about $500-$1000 to build (DEFINITELY not worth it)

    EDIT: for some reason people are now selling Nekroz extremely cheap, they haven't been banned though, which is odd.
     
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