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Mamoru's Stunt Double
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    Umbreon @ leftovers
    (calm) or (careful)
    EVs: 252 Defence | 252 Special Defence | 6 HP
    <Synchronize>
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Double Team
    ~ Moonlight
    ~ Baton Pass


    Gengar @ leftovers
    (calm) or (careful)
    EVs: 252 Defence | 252 Special Defence | 6 HP
    <Levitate>
    ~ Mean Look
    ~ Perish Song
    ~ Protect
    ~ Rest


    Blissey @ leftovers
    (calm)
    EVs: 252 Defence | 128 Special Defence | 128 HP | 2 w/e
    <Serene Grace>
    ~ Softboiled
    ~ Heal Bell / Aromatherapy
    ~ Counter
    ~ Ice Beam


    Skarmory @ leftovers
    (impish)
    EVs: 252 Special Defence | 252 ???
    <sturdy>
    ~ Spikes
    ~ Whirlwind / Roar
    ~ Toxic (maybe)
    ~ ??? (HP Ground is not an option)


    Aerodactyl @ Kings Rock (still not sure about Aero, I like it but there may be a better choice. Also I don't know if Kings Rock stacks with Rock Slide at all, but it would still help a lot with Earthquake and Aerial Ace)
    (jolly)
    EVs: 252 Attack | 252 Speed | 6 HP
    <pressure>
    ~ Rock Slide
    ~ Earthquake
    ~ Aerial Ace
    ~ Torment or Taunt ?


    I can't think of an appropriate last Pokemon.

    I want something that could take advantage of getting Double Team passed from Umbreon, so I need a Pokemon that has a moveset capable of being effective against any kind of Pokemon. I wouldn't want to Baton Pass a bunch of Double Team to a Pokemon then have to switch out when my Pokemon doesn't have any moves that are effective against my opponent.

    I'm still unsure about Aerodactyl, if anyone can think of 2 good sweepers to fill in my last two spots I would appriciate it.

    Oh yeah I should mention this is for the Game Boy not for NB, so I can't really get any Hidden Power reliably, and I can't get the good berries that add +50% to a stat with low HP.
     
    Umbreon- redo the EVs to get more hp and lesser defense... and consider rest over moonlight for the sake of removing toxic.

    Gengar- never thrilled of Gengar doing perish trap, but perish trapping Gengar still needs max speed. Put all other stats into physical defense, with minor hp. Use will o wisp/mean look/perish song/protect instead. If you want, you can also try hypnosis for hypnomissy RS style.

    Blissey- you WILL want max hp, max defense, with a +def or +sp.def stats instead. You don't need to boost the insane sp.def. Boost the monster HP instead. May Snorlax pwn the living daylight out of you.

    Skarmory- no HP is allowed... if so, then use spike/roar/drill peck/toxic for your daily standard. EVs into hp, def, and atk. I personally am not thrilled to push a Pokemon to tank both defenses when it really doesn't have the natural stats to handle it. Btw, Skarmbliss is ancient and is much easier to defeat now (hence why I'm actually fixing Skarmblisses)

    Aerodactyl- ditch the king's rock as it doesn't stack with rock slide. Use choice band or lum berry if you can't get/not using sub, or leftovers if you are using sub. Last slot should be either substitute, double edge (rock head) or taunt (sub > taunt though for Aerodactyl). If you ever get a hand on liechi, replace leftovers with it (if using sub.)

    The last pokemon is preferably someone who can kill Snorlax, as seeing how Snorlax destroys your entire team but Skarmory, and that's only to a certain extent because it's the only one who isn't SE by focus punch/shadowball, while Aero is just useless against a Snorlax. Sublax > all 5 of you so far, so better think hard.
     
    Thanks Frosty. Oh, I'm curious, why does a perish trapper need high speed? You're going to be taking at least 2 attacks no matter what anyway. The sequence would be Mean Look, Perish Song, then Protect until the switch out. Protect always goes first, and speed won't really matter when you Mean Look and Perish Song. Even if you used Will o Wisp first, it would still be the same deal speed wise. You're going to be taking the hits anyway, so why does speed matter?

    And I'm thinking about this for a 6th...

    Marowak @ Thick Club
    (impish)
    EVs: 252 Attack | 252 ???
    <Rock Head>
    ~ Bonemerang (first hit to destroy a sub)
    ~ Rock Slide
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Focus Punch

    How does the Marowak sound? If anyone can think of a better 6th member for the team please tell me.
     
    Marowak will be fine... split the other 252 EVs into hp and defense. Marowak is quite endurable.

    As for perishtrapper, you seriously think that Gengar can withstand 2 attack even with maxed up defensive abilities...? You're better off leading off with will o wisp, and pray to Mew that you're still in green after being hit by something that's physical and now called shadow ball. Lead off with will o wisp instead of mean look, so either way you're taking reduced damage. If they switched off after being burnt, well free pyroshuffling, so joy. If they switch into say a Crobat the first turn, you still land the will o wisp on it, so you either screwed it over (in this case, Crobat will have choice band), or wasted its lum berry, and now you're free to pull off to Skarmory. If you mean looked first, you really wasted one round as Crobat will land a free hit on you (no Gengar will want to stay against a Crobat.)

    Then again, Gengar is just a terrible perishtrapper to begin with...
     
    Is it that common for someone to switch out to something like Crobat whenever they see a Gengar? My hopes were to get Gengar to Mean Look a tank like Blissey or anything that doesn't have Roar/Whirlwind and can't kill Gengar in 2 hits.

    Or are the chances in ever Mean Looking a Pokemon like that unlikely?
     
    Crobat - usually packs Shadow Ball, most of the ones I've seen tend to have it.

    As for Blissey, as soon as Gengar comes out, Blissey can't do anything. Toxic fails because Gengar is part poison, and Gengar is immune to both Counter and Seismic Toss. Blissey will immediately switch.
     
    When a Blissey sees a Gengar, you get a few of these reactions

    a) Blissey user says "Oh <insert swear here>" looks for a good sacrifice

    b) Blissey uses ice beam to fight back (which means, you got owned, and if perish trap really worked against ibeaming Blissey, you won't have even enough hp to live for one more round after knocking out Blissey)

    c) in reality, no one switches Crobat against Gengar, for standard Gengar will unleash sub, and Crobat will take a turn to break the sub, and incomes the thunderbolt...! In reality practice, most likely they will certainly treat Gengar as someone with substitute (with or without focus punch they won't know or bother to figure out, but they will expect substitute), most likely they'll either go to Snorlax, or find something to break the sub asap and then die off, and let a fast sweeper clean up Gengar.

    Gengar = "well buddies... one out of the 6 of you will have to die off for me in order to win this battle... who is it going to be?" (unless, that trainer has a Snorlax, for Snorlax can survive focus punch from Gengar with ease.)

    Note: there are some other UUs that can do the same thing as Snorlax in this scenario, but they are UUs and UUs are only good if their secret remains a secret, so I won't say anything about that one ;p
     
    So if I went with Marowak, and took out Gengar, what would be a good replacement for Gengar? Or should I just change to a different type of Gengar?

    Some possible Gengar replacements I see are Slowking, Dragonite, Salamence, Crobat, Venusaur, Weezing... ah so many choices.. now you see why I have trouble making a decision ; ;
     
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    I still go by the motto of "Sure we fix teams, but no way do we make your team." ^^; Sorry for that one... You can always use a Gengar without perishtrapping, and let Marowak be your final Pokemon perhaps?
     
    That's ok Frost you've helped me out enough ~.^

    But if anyone else out there wants to help me think of a good replacement for Gengar it would be highly appriciated.

    Obviously I need something that can take a Focus Punch or two, and that's good against Snorlax and other heavy Focus Punchers... but there are still a lot of choices to go with...

    Oh yeah, how much does each use of Double Team decrease the chance the enemy hits you? Is it like 5% or 10% per use or something? Anyone know?
     
    If I'm not wrong, accuracy is
    (Pokemon's accuracy) / (Opponent evasiveness) * (Attack accuracy)

    Perish trapper... I prefer 2v2 perish trappers with use of Wobuffet. Personally, it seems a lot more efficient since it kills two foes unless they murder Wobuffet first. I tried this before; Misdrevious and Electrode; Electrode explodes while Misdrevious Perish Songs, then Electrode is replaced by Wobuffet.
     
    Not sure about the exact figure, but after 6 uses of Double Team, the accuracy is lowered to 1/3 (so, a 66% miss rate). Figure in Brightpowder, and you have more or less complete immunity (66 + 30 = 96 miss rate!) to any attacks that are not auto-hit (Thunder in Rain Dance, Swift, Aerial Ace, Magical Leaf, etc)
     
    I think I'm down to a choice between Vaporeon and Weezing as a replacement for Gengar... I'm not sure which though.

    Weezing would help against those Focus Punch coming my way and some other things.. but Vaporeon could really contribute with Wish. hmm...
     
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    Is there any way Weezing can learn both Pain Split and Will o Wisp? I see you get Pain Split from Misdreavus and Will o Wisp from Shuppet/Banette ... but I can't see a way to get both of them together.
     
    Toothache said:
    Not sure about the exact figure, but after 6 uses of Double Team, the accuracy is lowered to 1/3 (so, a 66% miss rate). Figure in Brightpowder, and you have more or less complete immunity (66 + 30 = 96 miss rate!) to any attacks that are not auto-hit (Thunder in Rain Dance, Swift, Aerial Ace, Magical Leaf, etc)
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    I'm fairly certain Bright Powder only increases evasiveness by ten per cent.


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    Dusclops/Duskull ♀ + Misdreavus (Pain Split) ♂ > Duskull (Pain Split) ♂
    > Level up Duskull (from the egg) until it learns Will-O-Wisp. Make sure the hatched Duskull is male.

    Duskull (Pain Split & Will-O-Wisp) ♂ + Koffing/Weezing ♀ > Koffing (Pain Split & Will-O-Wisp)
    > Use the Duskull you leveled up from the egg in the breeding pair above.
     
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    Isn't brightpowder just "one level" of double team? I thought that it just speeds up your double team setup by giving you one level to start out with. But then again I'm not sure as I'm not a fan of that move.
     
    why do ppl use weezing wut are the ebst moves? i know it has high atack but what r good movesets? also dont forget weezing can learn minimize which is like double-team
     
    frostweaver said:
    Isn't brightpowder just "one level" of double team? I thought that it just speeds up your double team setup by giving you one level to start out with. But then again I'm not sure as I'm not a fan of that move.
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    I don't believe so. Even with Bright Powder attached, a monster can use Double Team six times.

    I'm not certain as to whether it gives you:
    a) a 10% bonus from the existing evasion stat (i.e. 66% + 0.1*66 = 72%).
    b) a straight 10% bonus (i.e. 66% + 10% = 76%).

    Option "a" would have to give you some sort of evasive boost even if you hadn't used an evasion-rasing move.
     
    frostweaver said:
    I'm very sure that I did a log entry on Weezing on the old battledex...
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    That you did. I added the old battledex to my favorites when I saw that it was unstickied. LoL XD
    Old Battledex

    Btw, welcome back Frosty. ^_^
     
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