Rate this Team...please...

[Divine~Deoxys]

Now that i have some idea what i am doing i have made a team. Is it any good now?

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Dragon Claw/Outrage
Dragon Dance/Thunderpunch
Fire Punch
Earthquake

One of the possible leads.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Adamant
252atk,252spd
U-turn
Flare Blitz
Close Combat
Aerial Ace

The other possible lead. Could be swapped for Charizard or Blastoise if someone says my team has too many physicals.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish
200hp,200atk,108def
Avalanche
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Waterfall

The third possible lead.

Lucario @ Leftovers
Naive
Inner Focus
200sp.atk,200spd,108atk
Aura Sphere
Dragon Pulse
Extremespeed
Poison Jab

Never a lead, my ideal mixed sweeper. The only poison attack on the team is here.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Calm
Levitate
200sp.def,200def,108hp
Lunar Dance
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Rest

The Tank. Only one attack as there is a priority.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Timid
Serene Grace
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Wish
Baton Pass
Psychic
Air Slash

The special sweeper. Worst name ever, but not worst poke ever.certain.

 

[Aquilae]

First of all, your team has no reliable walling except Cresselia, and stuff will set up on it if it uses Rest. Lunar Dance isn't a good move on your team since your removing your only means of defence, for something else.

From what I see, hard-hitters like Tyranitar can wipe out 4/6ths of your team, and even worse is the set-up sweepers, SDLucario, Sub/SD Garchomp, BulkyGyarados will have a field day with this team after Cresselia is sufficiently weakened.

Mainly lack of walling sans Cresselia leaves this team open to assault by fast and powerful sweepers such as Gengar, and to a lesser extent Deoxys-E.

No pokemon to take sleep is also hindering this team, if a pokemon uses a sleep move like Hypnosis, one of your members is incapacitated for the rest of the battle (unless you get lucky).

No Psuedohazer (pokemon with Roar, Whirlwind, etc.) or Hazer (pokemon with Haze) means you cannot effectively deal with Baton Pass, especially Ninjask leads.

For starters, I would keep Swampert, Cresselia, Dragonite. I would center this team somewhat around Dragonite, since it is quite powerful. Basically the team would work around eliminating/incapacitating the stuff that would KO Dragonite, and let Dragonite pull off a sweep.

Swampert should be given this set to start with, and to counter some physical threats.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed, 240 HP, 216 Def, 52 SpA
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump / Surf
Stealth Rock

If you want to use Cresselia for walling, you essentially have two choices:

1. Use Moonlight for recovery, but will be ruined by Sandstorm
2. Use Rest/Sleep Talk, giving your team a status absorber BUT takes up one extra moveslot that could be used for something else

Personally I'd go Rest/Stalk.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Calm, 252 HP, 252 SpD, 4 Satk (If you have Calm, switch the Def and SpD EVs)
Rest
Sleep Talk
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave/Charge Beam/Psychic

Thunder Wave should be used as Dragonite is rather slow, allowing Dragonite to outspeed some stuff and KO. You would be using this Cresselia for Special walling.

I would recommend Hippowdon for a physical wall. Both can Psuedohaze and Hippowdon can set up Sandstorm, disabling Moonlight Cresselia, one of the main counters to Dragonite, and it does a nice job countering physical stuff.

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish, 252HP 252Def 4Atk
Earthquake
Ice Fang
Slack Off
Roar

For Togekiss, what you were looking for was mainly a bulky Wishpasser. I feel Jirachi does the job better, bulkier and more resistances, and providing paralysis support.

Jirachi @ Leftovers

Wish
Body Slam
Zen Headbutt
U-turn/Reflect/Light Screen

Last slot would go to sweepers. Main priority would be to stop stuff with Ice Beam and provide offense.

I would go with a Tyranitar with Pursuit. Too lazy to list set here, but CB is the most effective.

For Dragonite Outrage > Dragon Claw, and Dragon Dance > Thunderpunch, as you're going to be kamikaze OHKOing everything with Outrage at lategame with a Dragon Dance.

This is only a draft, not a perfect team by any stretch, so you have to mix and match to find which combos work for you. By the way, your sets aren't very good, but I'll leave it to someone else to do the nitpicking.

I hope you spend the time to read through this wall of words (557 words)

 

[El Gofre]

That previous threead of yours had two pages of advice, and it doesnt seem like you act on anything. As has been said, you only have one wall and your special sweeper's set sucks. It gets entirely walled by steels.
Since you dont seem to be able to grasp the ideas of team composition, make sure your team has the following:
Physical Sweeper
Special Sweeper
Physical Wall
Special Wall

These are the fundements that all teams much have. Spinners, clerics ect can wait, for now you need to learn the basics of team composition. When you've reposted with a definate example of all of these (And get a better togekiss set) in your team ill rate it.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Okay. If i used Dragonite with the set it has as a main physical sweeper,

This Cresselia as a special wall:

Cresselia@ Leftovers
Calm
Levitate
252hp,252spd,4sp.atk
Psychic
Thunder Wave
Rest
Sleep Talk

How about this Skarmory as a physical wall?

Skarmory@Shed Shell
Keen Eye
Impish
Drill Peck
Roost
Stealth Rock
Roar

I have seen that standard must be good, as there are a lot of them. However, i like stealth rock better as it can do quite a bit to Dragonite and Salamence who might try to switch in to Flamethrower me.

Then i could use this as a special sweeper:

Seadra @ Leftovers
Naive
Poison Point
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Dragon Dance
Hydro Pump
Flash Cannon (for those pesky ice types that can cause Dragonite trouble)/Dragon Pulse (becuase it works on almost anything)
Ice Beam (for dragons)

Would this be a good base to set up on?

 

[Azonic]

You mean Kingdra, right? It's a Rain Dancer, and it doesn't work well with Dragonite and Infernape.

 

[Anti]

IMO you might wanna learn about the metagame before making a team.

Quite frankly, your walling is VERY lacking, so most sweepers you rubn into are going to sweep you before you sweep them. My word of advice is to build a foundation that will not easily break (this is with defensive pokemon...Swampert and Cress won't get it done). That way, if you can't sweep, you can at least stop opposing sweepers, which in turn will help set up a sweep of your own.

 

[Goldeneyes]

I'm not going to rate this team until you have better walls.
When you get some decent walls pm me and i'll rate your team then.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

You mean Kingdra, right? It's a Rain Dancer, and it doesn't work well with Dragonite and Infernape.

No i don't mean Kingdra, as i have no Dragon Scale and noone will trade me one for a Flygon.

My word of advice is to build a foundation that will not easily break (this is with defensive pokemon...Swampert and Cress won't get it done).

I don't mean to be stubborn, but what about the Skarm?

 

[El Gofre]

You cannot be serious, you weren't even going to try and get one?
I give up

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I was, but i'm going to drop the idea as it won't get fast enough for me.

 

[Sora_8920]

IMO you might wanna learn about the metagame before making a team.

Quite frankly, your walling is VERY lacking, so most sweepers you rubn into are going to sweep you before you sweep them. My word of advice is to build a foundation that will not easily break (this is with defensive pokemon...Swampert and Cress won't get it done). That way, if you can't sweep, you can at least stop opposing sweepers, which in turn will help set up a sweep of your own.

Very nice guide, Anti. BTW, nice Colbert avatar as well.

But anyway, a true wall would be in UU, Hypno. But in this case, a very nice wall would be Bliss unless you think she's a whor-- err... hate her. TBH, 3 sweepers, unless you plan on having a no Wall Team, is overkill. 2 Sweepers at max is the limit. Skarm is a nice Physical Wall, so I would use that set except for Drill Peck - you have Roost to recover from the recoil damage from Brave Bird. So, yeah, I'm one of those power-mad freaks, lol.

But in my personal view, Timid isn't really that good on Togekiss. Modest, yeah, but Timid really doesn't fit, as 252 Speed doesn't. Togekiss is a special wall, but not with that set. The EVs are in the wrong places, except for HP, which are too low for it to be a Wall. It's been proven before Outrage does better on Dragonite, but I believe it gets you in a bind, as 3 whole turns before you can switch again gets bad extremely quick.

As for Lucario, I've used it a moveset on Shoddy Battle with it:

Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Extremespeed
- Close Combat. Gets powerful quickly. I'd use it in late-game, obviously, as it is safer for Lucario to get in a sweep.

Cresselia usually wants Bold if you're using the Calm Mind variant. Otherwise, everyone else pretty much summed it up.

 

[Anti]

...Since when is there a two sweeper maximum? I mean, that's my personal policy since that's the way I battle, but tell that to BeachBoy :P

Also, Lucario is going to want an Adamant nature to ensure the defeat of opposing walls, since Extremespeed takes faster things. BTW, Sub is pretty useless on SDluke, you might as well equip it with Bullet Punch or Crunch.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Okay, so far i have 5 pokes, i am still loooking for a special sweeper (although Gengar could be one) this is what it is so far:

Leader/Physical Sweeper:

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage/Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Physical Wall:

Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Impish
Keen Eye
200hp,200def,108atk
Drill Peck
Spikes
Roost
Roar



Special Wall:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Adamant (hence the lower atk Evs)
Immunity
252hp,200sp.def,56atk
Substitute
Focus Punch
Protect
Toxic

Sub-punching, Toxi-protecting Snorlax

Annoyer:

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Hypnosis
Dream Eater/Nightmare
Nightmare/Shadow Ball
Psychic/Energy Ball

This guy could deal something serious. Or totally frustrate you into not thinking straight.
Bulky backup:

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
200def, 252atk, 56hp
Waterfall
Earthquake
Avalanche (makes the most out of the nature)
Stealth Rock (to back up Skarm's spikes)

 

[Anti]

That Snorlax set is horrible because it can't wall anything...try this:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake / Crunch / Fire Punch
- Body Slam

Hasn't let me down yet :)

Also, DD Dragonite is for the late game, so leading with it is probably a bad idea.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Thanks, but new special wall:

Cresselia@ Leftovers
Calm
Levitate
252hp,252spd,4sp.atk
Psychic
Thunder Wave
Rest
Sleep Talk

 

[Sora_8920]

...Since when is there a two sweeper maximum? I mean, that's my personal policy since that's the way I battle, but tell that to BeachBoy :P

Also, Lucario is going to want an Adamant nature to ensure the defeat of opposing walls, since Extremespeed takes faster things. BTW, Sub is pretty useless on SDluke, you might as well equip it with Bullet Punch or Crunch.

Well, that's my point of view as well, but feel free to criticize me on that one.

Go Anti-Pop's set for sure on Snorlax. But anyway, you'll want at max 36 Atk, as Skarm needs it's walling status:

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Metal Birdy
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SpA)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Spikes
- Roar / Whirlwind. That's the one people usually use.

OR

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Metal Birdy
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 36 Atk
Impish Nature (+Def, -SpA)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Spikes
- Roar / Whirlwind. BTW, to add to my earlier post, Brave Bird will allow you to hit things like Gyarados harder. Anyway, credit goes to Dark Azelf for the spread. You can use Metal Sound over something to screw some special walls, so that's a benefit, as it allows stuff like Porygon-Z to set up and sweep without a problem with Nasty Plot. And yes, Anti-Pop is correct, leading with a late-game Pokemon isn't the best notion.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Hypnosis
Dream Eater/Nightmare
Nightmare/Shadow Ball
Psychic/Energy Ball

This guy could deal something serious. Or totally frustrate you into not thinking straigh

Your opponent is not stupid you know, they can just switch out of that

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid / Hasty Nature
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Hypnosis / Explosion / Energy Ball

That last move is only if you fear swampert otherwise it has no use, stick to the other two moves in that last slot otherwise.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

K,thnks. I tink i'll use tis one:

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

I get it about what you're saying with the whole Hypnomare thing, but i'm keeping Dream Eater

New mix.sweep (Ggar is my special sweep):

Lucario @ Leftovers
Naive
Inner Focus
200atk,200sp.atk,108spd
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dark Pulse
Poison Jab

I know i said my team was centered around Dragonite, but you can't keep a good poke down...

 

[Dark Azelf]

K,thnks. I tink i'll use tis one:

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball

I get it about what you're saying with the whole Hypnomare thing, but i'm keeping Dream Eater

New mix.sweep (Ggar is my special sweep):

Lucario @ Leftovers
Naive
Inner Focus
200atk,200sp.atk,108spd
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dark Pulse
Poison Jab

I know i said my team was centered around Dragonite, but you can't keep a good poke down...

No..... Dream eater = Fail. Remove it now. You'll get laughed at if your opponent it remotely competent and knows what he or she is doing.


Really they can just switch out =/

 

[Lalapizzame]

No..... Dream eater = Fail. Remove it now. You'll get laughed at if your opponent it remotely competent and knows what he or she is doing.


Really they can just switch out =/

That or if you try to do it to another pokemon,they could switch in something with a permanent status such burn or paralysis.