Return of the Bug-Themed Team!

[Dunsparce]

Drapion @ Black Sludge
Impish
Battle Armor
252 HP, 6 ATT, 252 DEF
Crunch
Toxic Spikes
Knock Off
WhirlWind

Flygon @ Lefties
Hasty
252 HP/252 ATT/ 6 SDEF
Earthquake
Roost
Fire Blast
Dragon Claw

Yanmega @ Life Orb
Modest
Speed Boost
56 HP/252 SATT/200Spd
Hypnosis
Protect
Bug Buzz
Air Slash

Pinsir @ Expert Belt
Adamant
6 HP/252 ATT/252 SPD
Moldbreaker
X-Scissor
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Swords Dance

Forretress @ Shed Shell
Relaxed Nature
252 HP / 16 ATT / 240 DEF
Gyro Ball
Explosion
Spikes
Rapid Spin

Ledian @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Calm nature
Light Screen
Bug Buzz
U turn
Roost


Basically, with the advent of Platinum, I need to know if this team can utilize any of the new moves they obtained in the newest installment of the series.

Heracross @ choice band
100 HP, 252 Atk, 156 speed
Adamant/Jolly
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit/Sleep Talk

Flygon@Choice Scarf
Nature:Naive
Draco Meteor
U-Turn
Stone Edge/ThunderPunch
Earthquake
EV:252 Atk, 120 SpA, 136 Spe

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 244 HP/48 Def/216 Spd
Impish Nature (-SpAtk + Def)
Earthquake
Fire Fang
Stealth Rock/Knock Off
Roost

Scizor @Life orb/Leftovers
Ability: Tecnican
Evs 252Atk 252speed 6Hp
Adamant Nature (-spATK +Atk)
Swords dance
Bullet punch
Roost
X Scissor

Now all I need is a Movest for Mystery Pokemon #6

 

[Angelic Diablo]

A Platinum bug team without Scizor? Wow.

And what a weakness to Heatran, HP Ice/Fire Blast/Earth Power >>> This team.

Best chance you got is to hopefully put it to sleep and then hit an EQ with Pinsir,

 

[Dunsparce]

A Platinum bug team without Scizor? Wow.

And what a weakness to Heatran, HP Ice/Fire Blast/Earth Power >>> This team.

Best chance you got is to hopefully put it to sleep and then hit an EQ with Pinsir,

You have to understand, this team was created before Platinum was released. Many RMT Veterans, like Dark Azelf, helped me construct this team one Pokemon at a time.

I know Scizor is a must now, ever since it got Bullet Punch >.>;

 

[Outlander]

if it were me id have a heracross or a scyther/scizor instead of ledian but to each his own

 

[Dunsparce]

if it were me id have a heracross or a scyther/scizor instead of ledian but to each his own

I chose Ledian mainly for its high Special Defense. Vespiquen was also an option, but it is too hard to breed for a Good nature/IVed Female Combee

 

[Ito_Igami]

Well scarfed Heatran will give this team all kinds of hell until Flygon scares him away with a stabbed earthquake. Bugs types tend to have the same problems that grass types do. Without HP fire Skarmory is coming in every time to spike the field and whirlwind you away.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

I'm having a laugh at your idea of Ledian as a special wall, 4x SR weak, garbage typing and rubbish other stats meaning the only special sweeper its walling is Choice Specs Combee, and even then CS Air Cutter does quite a bit of damage.

Confused at the fact I see no Heracross, Scizor or Gliscor.

Generic special sweeper weak, however Infernape, Heatran and Typhlosion are the most serious. Good luck getting around Rotom-H too.

 

[Dunsparce]

I'm having a laugh at your idea of Ledian as a special wall, 4x SR weak, garbage typing and rubbish other stats meaning the only special sweeper its walling is Choice Specs Combee, and even then CS Air Cutter does quite a bit of damage.

Confused at the fact I see no Heracross, Scizor or Gliscor.

Generic special sweeper weak, however Infernape, Heatran and Typhlosion are the most serious. Good luck getting around Rotom-H too.

This team was created with the help of many Well-known RMTers BEFORE Platinum Came out(Or was even announced at that) :/

I am not some RMT n00b.

I am well-aware that theme-teams are VERY hard to play against common standards. Basically I want some ideas to improve it with the advent of Platinum.

Not to mention of all things this is a Bug Egg-Group Team. There will always be problems with Fire-Types and Stealth Rocks

 

[Lunar Fang]

Shuckle can kind of help you with your heatran problem.....I think . I'll take a closer look at it tomorrow though.

 

[sims796]

Well...Shuckle can't do anything back, especially since Heatran is immune to Toxic, and Shuckle has the offesnive abilities of a...Shuckle. God I hate Shuckle. But, if it can survive a Heatranattack, it could Encore it so flygon can revenge kill.

 

[MM_Zero]

This team was created with the help of many Well-known RMTers BEFORE Platinum Came out(Or was even announced at that) :/

I am not some RMT n00b.

I am well-aware that theme-teams are VERY hard to play against common standards. Basically I want some ideas to improve it with the advent of Platinum.

Not to mention of all things this is a Bug Egg-Group Team. There will always be problems with Fire-Types and Stealth Rocks

Yes, its a common assumption by many that theme teams are hard to play. I view it the opposite. Theme teams maximize one of the biggest foundations of the D/P metagame, which is instead of just using generic walls and sweepers, you create your own unique threat and bring that up. I know this to be true, as my main team is a mono-psychic team and functions very well.

Though of course, using a theme team is by no means not to use standards. The staple bug pokemon should be used, like Heracross, Scizor and Gliscor (not technically a bug, but he looks a lot like one). Stealth Rock is being used more often then ever before (and that was pretty often) so Ledian really isn't going to see much light here.

So lets see here. Pinsir is pretty much outclassed by Heracross. So here's what I got.

Heracross @ choice band
100 HP, 252 Atk, 156 speed
Adamant/Jolly (adamant preferred)
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit/Sleep Talk

It's pretty much a standard banded Heracross, but standard isn't bad eh =P. Your team doesn't have a single choiced pokemon and with something that has 125 base attack, and phenominal coverage, I think he will be a welcome addition to your team. Megahorn is your main attack as it hits a lot of things hard, but if you aren't feeling easy with it's 85 accuracy in certain situations, you can strike with close combat. Stone Edge is for things like Gyarados who thinks he has a switch in. Pursuit if you want to hit things running away, or you can surprise sleep inducers with sleep talk and hit them hard. However, you can only use sleep talk once before switching out, so prioritize Pursuit. If you'd like, you can also run a Choice Scarf version of this if you wish, as it will make your job dealing with heatran and lets you revenge kill much easier, but of course with less power. If you choose scarf, take out the HP EVs for max Speed.

 

[sims796]

Yes, its a common assumption by many that theme teams are hard to play. I view it the opposite. Theme teams maximize one of the biggest foundations of the D/P metagame, which is instead of just using generic walls and sweepers, you create your own unique threat and bring that up. I know this to be true, as my main team is a mono-psychic team and functions very well.

Though of course, using a theme team is by no means not to use standards. The staple bug pokemon should be used, like Heracross, Scizor and Gliscor (not technically a bug, but he looks a lot like one). Stealth Rock is being used more often then ever before (and that was pretty often) so Ledian really isn't going to see much light here.

So lets see here. Pinsir is pretty much outclassed by Heracross. So here's what I got.

Heracross @ choice band
100 HP, 252 Atk, 156 speed
Adamant/Jolly (adamant preferred)
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit/Sleep Talk

It's pretty much a standard banded Heracross, but standard isn't bad eh =P. Your team doesn't have a single choiced pokemon and with something that has 125 base attack, and phenominal coverage, I think he will be a welcome addition to your team. Megahorn is your main attack as it hits a lot of things hard, but if you aren't feeling easy with it's 85 accuracy in certain situations, you can strike with close combat. Stone Edge is for things like Gyarados who thinks he has a switch in. Pursuit if you want to hit things running away, or you can surprise sleep inducers with sleep talk and hit them hard. However, you can only use sleep talk once before switching out, so prioritize Pursuit. If you'd like, you can also run a Choice Scarf version of this if you wish, as it will make your job dealing with heatran and lets you revenge kill much easier, but of course with less power. If you choose scarf, take out the HP EVs for max Speed.

First off, Gliscor is out, I believe he is only looking for the bug egg group, not what looks like a bug. Second, I somewhat disagree with that statement. Deviating from the "Generic" isn't really what's the metagame is about, otherwise, everyone would be doing it. A mono Grass team wouldn't be as good. Mono teams have tremendous weaknesses depening on the type.

As such, a Bug team is one of those teams that has the short end of the stick. Hell, Mixape with HP ICE can run through this entire team. However, I think that he should be focusing on it's strengths. My theory is, rather than trying to make a well built team, you should just make a team that occmpliments the type. Meaning, more sweepers, less walls.

 

[MM_Zero]

First off, Gliscor is out, I believe he is only looking for the bug egg group, not what looks like a bug. Second, I somewhat disagree with that statement. Deviating from the "Generic" isn't really what's the metagame is about, otherwise, everyone would be doing it. A mono Grass team wouldn't be as good. Mono teams have tremendous weaknesses depening on the type.

As such, a Bug team is one of those teams that has the short end of the stick. Hell, Mixape with HP ICE can run through this entire team. However, I think that he should be focusing on it's strengths. My theory is, rather than trying to make a well built team, you should just make a team that occmpliments the type. Meaning, more sweepers, less walls.

Well yea, I never said that building and using theme teams were neccesarily "easy". But, I am convinced that if used correctly, theme teams could be driving force in today's metagame. I've used a theme team (a psychic one) since I started competitive battling and I've won most of my matches. However, it all depends on just what pokemon he picks, and how he uses them. What you said was exactly my point though, he should be focusing on building up his strengths, rather then try to patch up his weaknesses.

BTW, a mono grass team abusing sunny day and chlorophyll could be very good, but it all depends on what pokemon you use.

 

[Dunsparce]

First off, Gliscor is out, I believe he is only looking for the bug egg group, not what looks like a bug. Second, I somewhat disagree with that statement. Deviating from the "Generic" isn't really what's the metagame is about, otherwise, everyone would be doing it. A mono Grass team wouldn't be as good. Mono teams have tremendous weaknesses depening on the type.

As such, a Bug team is one of those teams that has the short end of the stick. Hell, Mixape with HP ICE can run through this entire team. However, I think that he should be focusing on it's strengths. My theory is, rather than trying to make a well built team, you should just make a team that occmpliments the type. Meaning, more sweepers, less walls.

Gligar/Gliscor is indeed part of the Bug Egg Group. The only other Non-Bug Types that share this are the Trapinch Line and Drapion (Though the Latter evolves from a Bug-Type)

 

[sims796]

True, but they certainly won't take the metagaemz by storm. With such top tier pokes, each with diverse moves, you'll need to pick the right type, along with pokes to try and offeset those types, etc. Sunny Day OU teams pretty much suffer from Ttar, even with a method to take it out (Drain Punch plume FTW).

That's besides the point, of course.

EDIT:Hm, thought it was just ground. That doesn't change everythingn else I just said.

 

[Dunsparce]

What specific suggestions can you give, besides "Replace Pokemon A with Pokemon B"

Heracross was the only true suggestion so far, so what else can I do to improve it?

 

[Lunar Fang]

Well...Shuckle can't do anything back, especially since Heatran is immune to Toxic, and Shuckle has the offesnive abilities of a...Shuckle. God I hate Shuckle. But, if it can survive a Heatranattack, it could Encore it so flygon can revenge kill.

I happen to like shuckle >_>. So I thought this would be a good time to promote him, but that's pretty much the idea.

 

[sims796]

Well, read it again,Dunsparce (what type is Sparse, anyway? Bug? Nevermind), As I said, instead of focusing on standard team layout, you need to be more offensive. Gliscor could cover the defense, but Hera, Yamega, even Scizor, would be a major help. Scarfing Flygon would be a huge help. Lunar Fang provided good reasoning with his suggestion, although I don't know what Shuckle could really do against Heatran. Other than be a Shukle. God I hate Shuckle. Still, I won't let my hatred of Shuckle get im your way.

 

[DarkTyphlosion157]

I never said you were a noob. I just said Ledian sucks as a special wall.

Gliscor IS in the Bug Egg Group, so thats viable.

I would advise running Hera, Scizor and Yanmega here. Flygon is defintely useful, and Forretress to spin away stuff.

Oddly, with these 6 only 1 of your Pokemon is weak to SR. Sadly most weaks can not be fixed, but an aggresive enough team will give you the upper hand enough.

 

[sims796]

I never said you were a noob. I just said Ledian sucks as a special wall.

Gliscor IS in the Bug Egg Group, so thats viable.

I would advise running Hera, Scizor and Yanmega here. Flygon is defintely useful, and Forretress to spin away stuff.

Oddly, with these 6 only 1 of your Pokemon is weak to SR. Sadly most weaks can not be fixed, but an aggresive enough team will give you the upper hand enough.

You just about repeated everything that's been said. We've mentioned Gliscor in the bug group three times already. Hell, the last sentence is what I just said a post ahead of yours.

Now, as I said, Scarf Flygon. Forretress isn't useful here much, as you will not have time to spin.