Review 2.0

[sims796]

I have thought of some things I must accomplish, & I decided on a few things. I shall describe my roles, since I thought these up. Here are my canidates, I need help deciding:

Physical Sweeper
Gyarados@Leftovers/Wacan Berry Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
EQ
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD

OR

Miltank@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
Return
EQ
Ice Punch
Milk Drink/Brick Break
EV:252 ATK/126 SPD/126 HP

These] two can hit hard, and absorb Ice Attacks.

SP.SWEEPER
Raichu@Focus Sash
Nature:Timid
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot/T-wave/Substitute
MAX SP.ATK, SPD/6 SP.DEF

EXPLAINED IN PREVIOUS THREAD. Althought T-wave & Substitute (minus Focus Sash) has become options.

MIXED SWEEPER
Flygon@Life Orb/Choice Scarf
Nature???
EQ
Dragon Claw/U-Turn
Fire Blast
Roost
EV:???

I need help on an EV spread. & Nature. He's my Skarmbliss killer.

PHYSICAL WALL/RAPID SPINNER/STEALTH ROCKER
Forretres@Leftovers
Nature:Relaxed
Gyro Ball
EQ/Explosion
Stealth Rock/Spikes
Rapid Spin
EV:???

I forgot about Forry. He's for spinning, laying traps, & walling. Also for taking backup Ice Beams. Need EV help.

SP.WALL
Noctowl@Light Sreen
Nature:Calm
Night Shade
Whirlwind
Roost
Reflect
EV:252 HP/168 SP.DEF/68 DEF/22 SPD

READ PREVIOUS THREAD. Flygon, Forry, & Gya/Miltank absorbs hits she cannot.

CLERIC
Vileplume@Black Sludge/Wide Lens
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder/Stun Spore
EV:SEE PREVIOUS THREAD

SEE PREVIOUS THREAD. Gotta make room for Plume!

Well, note the changes, & help me make up my mind!

 

[Iceman3k]

I have thought of some things I must accomplish, & I decided on a few things. I shall describe my roles, since I thought these up. Here are my canidates, I need help deciding:

Physical Sweeper
Gyarados@Leftovers/Wacan Berry Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
EQ
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD

OR

Miltank@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
Return
EQ
Ice Punch
Milk Drink/Brick Break
EV:252 ATK/126 SPD/126 HP

These] two can hit hard, and absorb Ice Attacks.
IMO, stick with Gyarados.

SP.SWEEPER
Raichu@Focus Sash
Nature:Timid
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot/T-wave/Substitute
MAX SP.ATK, SPD/6 SP.DEF

EXPLAINED IN PREVIOUS THREAD. Althought T-wave & Substitute (minus Focus Sash) has become options.
Eh, I'd stick with Focus Sash and Nasty Plot, buddy.

MIXED SWEEPER
Flygon@Life Orb/Yache Berry
Brave Nature
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Roost
EV: 168 HP / 176 Atk / 120 Def

I need help on an EV spread. & Nature. He's my Skarmbliss killer.
If you intend on running Roost, then you should run his EVs in a Defensive Fashion.

PHYSICAL WALL/RAPID SPINNER/STEALTH ROCKER
Forretress@Leftovers
Nature:Relaxed
Gyro Ball
Earthquake/Explosion
Stealth Rock/Spikes
Rapid Spin
EV:248 HP / 20 Atk / 176 Def / 64 SDef

I forgot about Forry. He's for spinning, laying traps, & walling. Also for taking backup Ice Beams. Need EV help.
Those EVs should work, especially if you plan on using it to absorb Ice Beam.

SP.WALL
Noctowl@Light Clay
Nature:Calm
Night Shade
Whirlwind
Roost
Reflect
EV:252 HP/168 SP.DEF/68 DEF/22 SPD

READ PREVIOUS THREAD. Flygon, Forry, & Gya/Miltank absorbs hits she cannot.
Okay.

CLERIC
Vileplume@Black Sludge/Wide Lens
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder/Stun Spore
EV:SEE PREVIOUS THREAD

SEE PREVIOUS THREAD. Gotta make room for Plume!
:petals:

Well, note the changes, & help me make up my mind!

Electivire can still be a total predator if you're not careful. Other than that, everything's fine.

 

[sims796]

Oh yeah, Torterra was my Vire Killer. I'll just be cautios.

 

[Ársa]

Hmmmm, yes, you have a big vire weakness now that I look at that. Finally someone chooses a special wall other than blissey! Yay! :)

I'm sick to death of n00bs and the like asking for rates with in-game movesets and a team consisting of Blissey, Tyranitar, Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp and Weavile!

~M51

 

[sims796]

Gyarados & Flygon can handle Vire with proper prediction.

Wait, Iceman, why is Flygon losing Speed?

 

[Raziel_X007223]

I have thought of some things I must accomplish, & I decided on a few things. I shall describe my roles, since I thought these up. Here are my canidates, I need help deciding:

Physical Sweeper
Gyarados@Leftovers/Wacan Berry Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
EQ
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD

OR

Miltank@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
Return
EQ
Ice Punch
Milk Drink/Brick Break
EV:252 ATK/126 SPD/126 HP

Go with the Miltank, just on the aspect of Speed... The move set is good, but go with Brick Break over Milk Drink... You may not get too many opportunities with Milking the Cow...

These] two can hit hard, and absorb Ice Attacks.

SP.SWEEPER
Raichu@Focus Sash
Nature:Timid
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot/T-wave/Substitute Nasty Plot or Substitue would do wonders here... With T-Bolt, Thunder wave would just be a waste of space....
MAX SP.ATK, SPD/6 SP.DEF

EXPLAINED IN PREVIOUS THREAD. Althought T-wave & Substitute (minus Focus Sash) has become options.

MIXED SWEEPER
Flygon@Life Orb/Choice Scarf Go with the Scarf....
Nature??? Hasty, Speed and You get to keep the Attack also, look for the characteristic of "Hates to Lose or Proud of it's power...
EQ
Dragon Claw/U-Turn D. Claw over U-Turn..
Fire Blast
Roost
EV:???
IV's should be as follows- 31/31/25/31/14/30 (The standard Flygon with at least three 31's
I need help on an EV spread. & Nature. He's my Skarmbliss killer.

PHYSICAL WALL/RAPID SPINNER/STEALTH ROCKER
Forretres@Leftovers
Nature:Relaxed Impish, Nuff Said
Gyro Ball Lose Gyro and add Toxic Spikes...
EQ/Explosion EQ over Exploding someone...
Stealth Rock/Spikes Either one is fine, but go with Stealth Rock because it also hits flyers, where Spike do not..
Rapid Spin
EV:???
IV's for Him: 31/20/31/26/31/25 Breed for something along those stats...

I forgot about Forry. He's for spinning, laying traps, & walling. Also for taking backup Ice Beams. Need EV help.

SP.WALL
Noctowl@Light Sreen
Nature:Calm
Night Shade
Whirlwind
Roost
Reflect
EV:252 HP/168 SP.DEF/68 DEF/22 SPD

Get Shadow Ball and replace any one of those moves, preferably, the Whirlwind, unless you're looking to do the ForOwl Spike/Rock Trap.

READ PREVIOUS THREAD. Flygon, Forry, & Gya/Miltank absorbs hits she cannot.

CLERIC
Vileplume@Black Sludge/Wide Lens
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder/Stun Spore
EV:SEE PREVIOUS THREAD

SEE PREVIOUS THREAD. Gotta make room for Plume!

Well, note the changes, & help me make up my mind!

My comments will be in Red....

After Review: I'll say this, this team hhas potential to reek havoc on everyone, My comment may be lame, so take it with a grain of salt and use what you know...

 

[sims796]

Well, thanks for trying, but those suggestions aren't too hot.

First, you should never suggest IV's. Thats a major waste. I know the best IV's, & you can never predict those exact IV's. You get whatever's best. Plus, Forretress should never have high SPD IV's.

Shadow Ball is a waste on Noctowl. It can't hit too hard, & both Night Shade & Shadow Ball hits the same things-& both falter to Normal types. Two Ghost type moves suck, & Noctowl isn't meant to hit, but Night Shade allows it to fend off attackers-like Blissey.

Forry doesn't need Toxic Spikes, Gyro Ball is a great offensive move for a slow poke like him, plus, Toxic Spikes isn't a great move, since STEEL & POISON (Gengar) blocks those utterly.

Don't ever underestimate T-wave. 100% paralysis>30&% paralysis, although I'll stick with Nasty.

Finally, I'm not a noob, I know the characteristics.

Thanks for trying, though you may wanna get more experience before rating.

 

[Raziel_X007223]

Well, thanks for trying, but those suggestions aren't too hot.

First, you should never suggest IV's. Thats a major waste. I know the best IV's, & you can never predict those exact IV's. You get whatever's best. Plus, Forretress should never have high SPD IV's.

Shadow Ball is a waste on Noctowl. It can't hit too hard, & both Night Shade & Shadow Ball hits the same things-& both falter to Normal types. Two Ghost type moves suck, & Noctowl isn't meant to hit, but Night Shade allows it to fend off attackers-like Blissey.

Forry doesn't need Toxic Spikes, Gyro Ball is a great offensive move for a slow poke like him, plus, Toxic Spikes isn't a great move, since STEEL & POISON (Gengar) blocks those utterly.

Don't ever underestimate T-wave. 100% paralysis>30&% paralysis, although I'll stick with Nasty.

Finally, I'm not a noob, I know the characteristics.

Thanks for trying, though you may wanna get more experience before rating.

Never said you were a noob... #1..

#2. I thought that looked ok, but again, leave it to me to screw something up...

#3. The Forrest with Toxic Spikes was used against me with some success, where I raped someone else's Forrest for using Gyro... (At the Time, Lucario was at ownage status...)

But again, I knew what was to happen in advance, but still someone's idea is worth something... (:disappoin Oh well.. Can't win them all)

Anyways, HH and enjoy.

Raziel X

 

[sims796]

Well, I appreciate your help anyway. I know you weren't calling me a noob, but thats the impression you give when you tell the IV's they should have, and, especially, the characteristics. Thats common knowledge.

You just need practice, thats all. You're not "bad", but you need to get better.

 

[Raziel_X007223]

Good enough....

Peace for now.. I pretty sure that our path will cross again today at some point in another rate thread...

 

[Dark Azelf]

I have thought of some things I must accomplish, & I decided on a few things. I shall describe my roles, since I thought these up. Here are my canidates, I need help deciding:

Physical Sweeper
Gyarados@Leftovers
Nature:Adamant
Waterfall
EQ
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD

This is something to consider sims.

Waterfall + Stone Edge

OR

Ice Fang + Earthquake.

work best in terms of coverage.

Waterfall and EQ gets walled by alot. I initially had Waterfall and EQ, however i switched Waterfall w/ Ice Fang and it works wonders in terms of coverage and i got walled alot less thus having to switch out less which = more DD's. Im having the same sort of problem with deciding on what to put on my Tyranitar..........

Also why Wycan berry ? BulkyDos is meant to switch into Heracross and Garchomp etc, not Electivire , so it has no use for it, a one use item which is a waste of a Item slot IMO


OR

Miltank@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
Return
EQ
Ice Punch
Milk Drink/Brick Break
EV:252 ATK/126 SPD/126 HP

Ok lol, id really say brick Break with Choice Band

SP.SWEEPER
Raichu@Focus Sash
Nature:Timid
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
Nasty Plot/T-wave/Substitute
MAX SP.ATK, SPD/6 SP.DEF]

Fine


MIXED SWEEPER
Flygon@Choice Scarf
Nature: Naughty
EQ
Dragon Claw / Draco meteor
Fire Blast
U-Turn
EV:252 ATT / 136 SPEED / 120 SP.ATT


Standard Mixed


PHYSICAL WALL/RAPID SPINNER/STEALTH ROCKER
Forretres@Leftovers
Nature:Relaxed
Gyro Ball
EQ /Rest
Stealth Rock/Spikes
Rapid Spin
EV: 252 HP / 252DEF / 6 ATT


Dont Blow up walls..EVER LOL. EQ for Magnezone whom will switch into and lol at you when you cant switch out due to Magnet Pull...

or you can abuse Rest with Aromatherapy


SP.WALL
Noctowl@Light Clay
Nature:Calm
Night Shade
Whirlwind
Roost
Reflect
EV:252 HP/168 SP.DEF/68 DEF/22 SPD

Fine

CLERIC
Vileplume@Black Sludge/Wide Lens
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
EV:SEE PREVIOUS THREAD

Fine. Sleep powder >> Stun Spore due to you not risking to get hit and pull off an Aromatherapy on whatever switches into sleep powder

Just a couple of changes which are in Bold-ness

 

[oreo]

although gyarados gets a good stab w/ waterfall, i would go with ice fang 1st for more type coverage.

about the only thing that could wall u with ice fang is bronzong, while waterfall + eq would be walled by anything under the sun. even another gyarados.

and gdos > miltank anyday :D

 

[sims796]

Don't underestimate Miltank. I'll try Ice Fang, you guys seem insistant, at least until I get Stone Edge.

 

[Samson]

waterfall + stone edge has better coverage. i'd rather go with that and also, losing STAB sucks =/. rather not be walled by bronzong. i'd go with wacan berry. it's not about who gyara can switch into, it's about who can switch into gyara. if the person is prepared, they'll have a gyara counter, and don't be surprised when something as simple as choice scarf + tbolt/hp electric/shock wave/charge beam/thunderpunch is all they have for a gyara counter. even w/o scarf, a metagross would survive EQ it after one DD and would revenge kill w/ tpunch. it's just not something that you should let happen.

flygon! yay. go with the scarf set if you need speed. otherwise, life orb is just as good. you don't have to make it defensive if you want to give it roost, but the set that Iceman gave you for flygon is very nice. i like subdefensive attacking on sweepers.

explosion on forry is just fine. gyro ball, on the other hand... not a fan of it. i've never had a positive outcome w/ gyro ball. bulky waters/steels/snorlaxes/fires make nothing of it. but that's just my opinion. i eventually got rid of gyro ball and replaced it with light screen lol

your Noctowl must have like infinite manas considering that its hold item is Light Screen XD

 

[sims796]

Damn you ALL! You guys spared no expense to take advantage of my hacked Noctowl's Light Screen!


I think I'll Scarf Flygon. Few pokes outspeeds it, but it becomes less able to handle both Skarmory & Blissey on the switch. Life Orb is good, but it leaves out the speed I crave. I'm conflicted.

 

[Samson]

i'd prefer life orb specifically for this team. you have the same problem going on that we discussed -- the need for switching in and out too much. with flygon, you have his weaknesses covered well, so i don't see the need to give him scarf if he can deliver damage before switching out.

 

[sims796]

Plus, I have U-Tub-I mean, Turn, if I MUST switch.

OK, time for me to find that Life Orb. Where in Stark Mountain is it?