Review 5.0

[sims796]

I haven't made a review thread in ages. So, this is my team so far. It has ben serving me very well these past battles, but hey, I'll see for some improvements.

Forgive me if I seem a bit hard headed, but I don't really wan to change anyone on this team. However, suggest them anyway. I may or may not use them, but suggest them. Just remember, I'm NOT looking for replacements, since I really only use pokes that please me, I am picky. But still, suggest them anywho.

In order, from lead:



Tauros@Choice Band
Nature:Jolly
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Double Edge
Pursuit
EV:Max Spd & Atk, 6 HP

My CB lead. I usually don't like to use Choice Band leads, or Choice items in general. But when I saw the raw power of a Choice Band Double Edge, I changed my mind. Srsly, he's great. All I gotta do is teach it Hypur Be@mz, it'll be straight. Problem is, I take too much damage from Double Edge alone, so Stealth Rock can be somewhat annoying. Still, he is great at backing up Grumpig when taking on Gengar. Unless they hit the wrong button & uses Focus Blast by mistake :P


Raichu@Expert Belt
Nature:Timid/Naive
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot/HP [ICE]
Nasty Plot
Focus Blast
EV:Max Sp.Atk & Speed, 6 HP

Ah, my favorite T-bolter. He will be replaced by a Naive Raichu, with HP ICE over Grass Knot. I lose the ability to take on Mamoswine & Swampert, but gain the ability to handle Dragons. Focus Punch is for Blissey & Ttar switch ins. It used to be hard getting him in play, but it has been easier nowadays. Leared to switch him in walls. Duh. Then I have a choice of either NPing up, or as I said, Focus Pawnch. Like I said, will be replacing him with HP ICE & Naive, if *someone* had it ready :P


Weezing@Leftovers/Black Sludge
Nature:Bold
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb
WoW
Pain Split
EV:196 HP, 252 Def, 58 Sp.Atk

I might have written the EV's wrong, correct me. Now, I love this wall, I love all Pain Split walls, like Dusknoir, who it better than Spiritomb, Croconaw, AND Metagross in one, only because he is made of whin. Now, back to Weezing, who is also made of whin. He survives sooo much. I love barely surviving moves, just to Pain Split myself back up to full health. I might replace Thunderbolt for Sludge Bomb, simply because I don't see T-bolt as useful, and I can better handle Celebi switch-ins. Thunderbotl takes Gya, but I wall him comepletely, so that quick KO is useless. Only prolem is accidentally powering up Heatran, vwhich I am not afraid of.


Grumpig@Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Seismec Toss
Psychic
T-Wave/Reflect/Light Screen
Rest
EV:252 HP, 52 Sp.Atk, 200 Sp.Def

I love this Pig. Seismec Toss is for dealing with Calm Mind & Subs. T-Wave are for switch-ins. Rest & Psychic are given. Now, I love how awesome he walls, but he has problems with Dark & Ghost attacks. No big deal, Tauros handles ghosts, and Dark can be dealt with. Azelf gives me most problems. I might lose T-Wave for Reflect, since Plume has Stun Spore.


Vileplume@Black Sludge
Nature:Calm
Aromathereapy
Energy Ball
Sleep Powder
HP [ICE]/Stun Spore
EV: Not now

Well, he's my team mascot, so he stays. A great cleric, I'm in the process of changing his EV's. I used to run HP ICE, but the beauty of Stun Spore, along with the process of double status, made him too graet. Not great, graet.


Torterra@Leftovers
Nature:Impish
Leech Seed
Stealth Rock
EQ
Wood Hammer
EV:???

To better handle Zapdos, I lost Stone edge for Stealth Rock. Lovin' it. Leech Seed helps out my many defensive pokes. Now, I need to fix my EV's, since I completely effed up EV training, there irratic. I meant it to be 244 HP, 90 Atk, 176 Def. It's easy to get him in & force a switch, so he can use Leech Seed on the switch, & swap fpr the counter.




So that is my team. On the spot, I seem to have an Azelf weakness. Maybe giving Piggy Reflect might help, it's dangerous to switch into T-Wave, but blocking U-Turn helps alot. Or Light Screeen, to help better take Gengar, but he is no fear. basically, pokes that outspeed Tauros hurts, since he can literally wipe out almost all threats. That means Azelf. He's like a fly you can't swat, or a bird crapping on your head. You can kill it, but it's just out of your reach. So Reflect on Piggy might ease the burden.


I've noted my team, and it's power lvl is over 9000. I don't understand how, but it is.

 

[Anti]

Reflect won't help Grumpig with a special attacker :P From the recent RMT threads I've been seeing on a few forums, Shadow Ball on Azelf is slightly growing in popularity, so be careful. Grumpig does well against it though. U-Turn can be annoying I'm sure, but Weezing takes those if you predict right.

For Grumpig, I honestly think it needs Reflect or Pursuit is going to obliterate your only special walling.

Your biggest problem IMO is Yanmega, who can 6-0 you straight away. Tauros can take it if it gets in without being slept or anything, but that's tough. You have some Garchomp and Mismagius problems as well, but I imagine Tauros does okay on the revenge kill (but it won't OHKO Garchomp I would think, so try and damage it before it can SD up and smash you).

Considering this team is crawling with UUs and whatnot, it's fairly solid.

EDIT: Oh, Gengar is kinda a problem itself. You're playing with fire with Tauros and Grumpig trying to outpredict Gengar (especially if it sleeps something). That and you kinda miss your Outrage resist in Forretress, but that would kinda mess up your team so meh.

 

[sims796]

Reflect won't help Grumpig with a special attacker :P From the recent RMT threads I've been seeing on a few forums, Shadow Ball on Azelf is slightly growing in popularity, so be careful. Grumpig does well against it though. U-Turn can be annoying I'm sure, but Weezing takes those if you predict right.

For Grumpig, I honestly think it needs Reflect or Pursuit is going to obliterate your only special walling.

Your biggest problem IMO is Yanmega, who can 6-0 you straight away. Tauros can take it if it gets in without being slept or anything, but that's tough. You have some Garchomp and Mismagius problems as well, but I imagine Tauros does okay on the revenge kill (but it won't OHKO Garchomp I would think, so try and damage it before it can SD up and smash you).

Considering this team is crawling with UUs and whatnot, it's fairly solid.

Understood.

My biggest problem is with that prediction. I can only predict U-Turn but so much. I did it twice to Dark Azelf & Prince, but they wise-d up to it, making it hard to outpredict.

I forgot all about Yanmega. Sure, he gets raped by Stealth Rock, and he can't safely switch on anyone on this team, but when he is out, I must be ready. Specifiaclly if he is a lead.

Garchomp is a problem, but Tauros can handle it somewhat. If I switch in on an attack, I may be set, since it has Intimidate. Yeah, Ice is definate on Chu.


Hm, no other help? I know I have a weakness somewhere. So far, I've decided to give Grumpig Reflect, since Plume has Stun Spore.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Hmm, i still dont get how your going to deal with Yanmega

Yanmega@Life orb
252 AP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest Nature
Trait : Speed Boost
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Hidden power Ice
- Protect

It doesn't get owned by Stealth Rock if its a lead =p..

It literally 6-0's you...

I understand you wanted to add Magnezone or something a while back ? That counters Yanmega perfectly. If not, just consider another steel..Heatran comes to mind, and it helps your team with the moves Grumpig (AKA Draco meteors etc) cant handle AND with Azelf =)

 

[Syaoran]

Magnezone doesn't counter Yanmega with HP ground and those aren't as sparse as you think.

Torterra AND Vileplume seems like overdoing it. Torterra a Zapdos counter? not at all, it really hates HP ice...

Why not use Blissey? It makes a nice switch in Azelf and Yanmega. If your Grumpig dies to Pursuit, you won't have a reliable Heatran counter as well. Blissey can fill that role quite nicely, or even Snorlax, if you need the attacking power.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Magnezone doesn't counter Yanmega with HP ground and those aren't as sparse as you think.

Torterra AND Vileplume seems like overdoing it. Torterra a Zapdos counter? not at all, it really hates HP ice...

Why not use Blissey? It makes a nice switch in Azelf and Yanmega. If your Grumpig dies to Pursuit, you won't have a reliable Heatran counter as well. Blissey can fill that role quite nicely, or even Snorlax, if you need the attacking power.

Darn, i forgot about HP Ground, but yeah, using HP Ice for so long myself, i forgot it was one of the standard moves it packed >_<..

But he seems adamant in keeping both Torterra AND Vileplume/ the rest of his team, so its kinda hard to suggest stuff and the fact that he will only use favorites >_>. But i HIGHLY suggest getting rid of torterra, it doesnt do anything, as ivs said many time before. It just adds weaks. Couldnt you use that swampert i gave you ? Not only does it actually do something to Zapdos, unlike torterra (who does indeed die to hp ice), but it tanks well enough here without racking up weaks and does the same thing and can PHaze aswell, which you will need.

Anyways, I agree with the Blissey/lax aswell, they will help ALOT.

They will also free up slots, aka, you wont need Aromatherapy on Plume as Bliss can do it, OR lax just flat out absorbs status anyways. Although if you do remove grumpig mixape eats you...

Imma get shot when he comes back on, but meh... =p

 

[Magmortified]

Torterra a Zapdos counter? not at all, it really hates HP ice...

He said he added Stealth Rock over Stone Edge to be able to take on Zapdos easier, not that Torterra was a Zapdos counter. =P

Tyranitar is mean to this team if it has Ice Beam. CBTar with Ice Beam is nearly impossible for you to switch into if it plays right - Weezing gets 2HKO'd by Stone Edge. Tyraniboah is also pretty mean.

My best thoughts on this would be to get, like, a Hariyama or something. Which can back up Grumpig on taking out MixApe, is not messed up by Blissey TWaves like Tauros is, and is a general counter for Tar.

 

[Anti]

Well Zapdos just Roosts or Rests off Stone Edge damae anyways, that and Pressure saps its HP really quickly.

I'd agree that Torterra should probably go, but you're pretty much screwed against Tyranitar and anything else with a STAB Stone Edge. Blissey would solve the special sweeper problem, but them physical attackers would own him (who IMO are a lot more scary than the special ones).

IMO Aromatherapy Blissey > Vileplume would solve a lot of problems, but I'm scared to suggest that ._.

Losing Torterra means losing this team's answer to Tar and other things (though Ice Beam variants crush it). You could go for Swampert over Torterra, who is generally good at taking special attacks (or at least better than Torterra) and can kinda hit Yanmega?

I'm totally throwing things out there right now. I think we both know that we don't really get along when I suggest OU stuff so I'll totally zip it :P

 

[sims796]

Now, Zapdos is no problem. Along with SR, it also falls to Tauros, Grumpig, & Raichu. Now, Magortified gains points for noticing that I never said anything about Torterra being a Zapdos Counter. Uh, hello, flying type? If Zappy's full special, Grumpig. If physical, Raichu can switch in.

You gotta be drunk to think I'd lose Vileplume. He, Raichu, & Grumpig stays, if that makes it easier. I'll have to clean my gun for Dark Azelf. I also want to stay away from legends, if that's alright.

The only thing that I see Swampert handling that Torterra can't is Ice Beam Ttar. I love Torterra because it is able to both Seed & SR. That alone helps me remove so many bulky pokes, like Ttar & Togekiss, FOR EXAMPLE (meaning don't go telling me alternative ways of handling Togekiss, it was an example).

I really don't wanna use Hariyama, but your thinking, I like that.

So, to take Torterra's (or Tauros) place, I need a poke that can

Handle Yanmega
Handle Ttar


What else? I know there is a poke that can handle them, but I don't think those are the only threats.

And I don't see a problem with two grass types. People uses two dragons all the time. I don't mean Kingdra, I mean Chomp & Mence, etc.

 

[Syaoran]

Too bad Yanmega totally dominates Hariyama..

As for the dragon comment - people use Salamence and Garchomp because they are totally different.. one is immune to EQ while the other can't be paralysed. Salamence can be special while Garchomp is physical. Not to mention that dragon moves are only resisted by steel.. while grassers usually have very similar movesets.

Stealth Rock isn't a great "solution" to Togekiss and Zapdos who can Roost it off, switching in Weezing and Grumpig. You also don't have any phazer to abuse Stealth Rock. Swampert might be the best suggestion so far as it can do all of these things. Yanmega might damage him badly but it will die to Ice Beam before Swampert dies to Air Slash (given he doesn't get flinched).

 

[sims796]

Too bad Yanmega totally dominates Hariyama..

As for the dragon comment - people use Salamence and Garchomp because they are totally different.. one is immune to EQ while the other can't be paralysed. Salamence can be special while Garchomp is physical. Not to mention that dragon moves are only resisted by steel.. while grassers usually have very similar movesets.

Stealth Rock isn't a great "solution" to Togekiss and Zapdos who can Roost it off, switching in Weezing and Grumpig. You also don't have any phazer to abuse Stealth Rock. Swampert might be the best suggestion so far as it can do all of these things. Yanmega might damage him badly but it will die to Ice Beam before Swampert dies to Air Slash (given he doesn't get flinched).

How did I know someone was going to say Togekiss.

And I did say etc. I have seen far too many Salamence & Dragonite combos as well. Those two grassers fufill two different roles, with two different sets. Off topic, and I swear I better not get so many responses from this, I would love to have a Leech Seed Vileplume. I said Stealth Rock helps keep those two at bay. I never said anything about solution, as where Grumpig & HP ICE Raichu takes care of Zapdos. If Zappy needs to Roost, so be it, eaiser for me.

Now, If Swampert cannot safely switch in, I am still in need of a real Yanmega counter, for the oft times I see one. Ttar gets revenged killed by about three of my pokes, two if his prediction is off. One if I remove Torterra.

So I just need a back up for Yanmega, who can safely switch in.

 

[Anti]

Swampert can handle more than just Ice Beam TTar when you compare it to Torterra. It also is resistant to fire and neutral to ice, two or Torterra's weaknesses. While your two grass types might serve different roles, that doesn't stop them from sharing many of the same weaknesses which somewhat hurts you defensively. Torterra also folds to Bug and flying attacks, which seem to give your team a lot more trouble than grass moves that kill Swampert.

Anyways, I live what Bronzong could potentially do over Torterra. It's an okay switch on Tyranitar (I stress "okay") and does very well against Yanmega, especially the speed boost ones. It could also blow up on togekiss, though Togekiss can't really handle CB Double-Edges from Tauros without taking a massive heap of damage or even dying.

 

[sims796]

Swampert can handle more than just Ice Beam TTar when you compare it to Torterra. It also is resistant to fire and neutral to ice, two or Torterra's weaknesses. While your two grass types might serve different roles, that doesn't stop them from sharing many of the same weaknesses which somewhat hurts you defensively. Torterra also folds to Bug and flying attacks, which seem to give your team a lot more trouble than grass moves that kill Swampert.
The exact same thing can be said about using two dragons on one team not named Kingdra, which is still ok. But I will agree that it doesn't work for this team.
Anyways, I like what Bronzong could potentially do over Torterra. It's an okay switch on Tyranitar (I stress "okay") and does very well against Yanmega, especially the speed boost ones. It could also blow up on togekiss, though Togekiss can't really handle CB Double-Edges from Tauros without taking a massive heap of damage or even dying.

I swear to God, if one more person mentions Togekiss. Just one more. I'm going to remove that section from my other post, because everyone is ignoring when I said I do not want a way to deal with Togekiss. She was an example. I thank God I didn't mention Gallade.

Now, Swampert cannot Seed, which is something that I love (& if someone ignores when I said no legends & say Celebi, I'll just report for spamming), but I can deal with that. People also seem to downplay the fact that Torterra has decent sp.def, but that's besides the point. I said I am swapping Torterra, so if I see any more on it, leave my thread immediatley.

In fact, just to avoid any confusion, I'll bold a few parts.


Now, on to SERIOUS...BUSINESS....

Yeah, Bronzong could work, and I love SRers. I do not fear Draco Meteor, so I don't care about rushing in a steel type. I also do not fear Ttar as much, what with Tauros & Intimidate.

Bronzong is one. Who else can survive Yanmega and Ttar? I don't like jumping on a banwagon without fully knowing my options.

 

[Anti]

Well Tyranitar doesn't have many counters. Its real counters are bulky fighters like resttalk Machamp and also Hariyama, and also bulky grounds. Swampert is the only bulky ground that isn't totally flattened by Yanmega, and bulky fighters obviously lose to it.

Now, Gliscor and Bronzong do okay, but Bronzong gets massacred by CB Crunch and Gliscor has to worry about Ice Beams (that and it totally doesn't fit on your team with Weezing around). Swampert and Bronzong are probably your best bets, unless I overlooked something (I'd double-check on Smogon or something).

And I was actually agreeing Togekiss isn't a huge problem ;p

And Torterra has decent SDef, but it has no good resistances to special attacks except its electric immunity, and electrics destroy it anyways. torterra has a ton of weaknesses to special attacks like Flamethrower and Ice Beam. Generally, Swampert is much better at taking special hits.

 

[sims796]

Well Tyranitar doesn't have many counters. Its real counters are bulky fighters like resttalk Machamp and also Hariyama, and also bulky grounds. Swampert is the only bulky ground that isn't totally flattened by Yanmega, and bulky fighters obviously lose to it.

Now, Gliscor and Bronzong do okay, but Bronzong gets massacred by CB Crunch and Gliscor has to worry about Ice Beams (that and it totally doesn't fit on your team with Weezing around). Swampert and Bronzong are probably your best bets, unless I overlooked something (I'd double-check on Smogon or something).

And I was actually agreeing Togekiss isn't a huge problem ;p

And Torterra has decent SDef, but it has no good resistances to special attacks except its electric immunity, and electrics destroy it anyways. torterra has a ton of weaknesses to special attacks like Flamethrower and Ice Beam. Generally, Swampert is much better at taking special hits.

Yeah, thanks for ignoring what I BOLDED earlier. Hold on, what electrics destroy it?

Anyway, I'll repeat one last time, hopefully, and say that I have no serious fear of Ttar, other than it taking out Grumpig, which is what Reflect is for (meaning it really isn't so threatening once I get it up...I miss that move). Other than me switching in on Stone Edge, Tauros can handle it, and once Reflect is up, it will be easier. Grumpig tends to drag out Ttar anyway.


But if I were to consider Ttar, I cannot rely on Swampert, as it cannot switch in on Yanmega & threaten a switch.

I need something that I could use that will prevent a total 6-0, which, despite how rare it is, Yanmega does present, if it is a lead. Ttar doesn't cause an outright 6-0, so I'll deal with that weak. If it's a lead Ttar (how common are they-outside of shoddy, that is), it falls on the spot to Tauros. Tauros can also switch in on anything exept CB attacks, but those aren't leads. So for all, I (let's hope this works) ONLY WANT YANMEGA COUNTERS.

I will agree that Bronzong doesn't fit. Blissey is an instant solution, but for reasons I do not care to explain, she is out for now, even though I have one I've been itching to use. Mind your business, I do't wanna explan >:( So what else can deal with Yanmega? Shuckle? Haha, no. But who? Without opening me to any major weaks.

 

[Anti]

Yeah, well I know you're not worried about TTar, but I sure am, and I really wouldn't want to open your team up to 1 DD = 6-0 sweep kind of deal. Relying on a Choiced Sweeper to revenge some of the most powerful pokemon in OU...I'm not real crazy about the idea and I doubt it'll work.

And any electric with HP Ice destroy Torterra :PI tried not to ignore your bolded part, but you said "it" without really specifying what that was so I didn't really know what to follow ._. Had I known what not to do, I would have listened ;)

But when it comes to Yanmega counters, steels beat HP Ice versions and dragons beat HP Ground versions. Standard special walls and Bronzong beat both. The Choice Specs set just hits ridiculously hard, so basically you'll need another sturdy special wall to be 100% sure on beating Yanmega. Considering you won't use Blissey, that really only leaves you with Regice and Snorlax if you want to play it totally safe. You can play your luck with Magnezone (who makes an okay switch on CBtar...kinda), but HP Ground wastes you.

I don't really know what to recommend. I'd just look at the Smogon page and decide for yourself.

 

[sims796]

Yeah, well I know you're not worried about TTar, but I sure am, and I really wouldn't want to open your team up to 1 DD = 6-0 sweep kind of deal. Relying on a Choiced Sweeper to revenge some of the most powerful pokemon in OU...I'm not real crazy about the idea and I doubt it'll work.

And any electric with HP Ice destroy Torterra :PI tried not to ignore your bolded part, but you said "it" without really specifying what that was so I didn't really know what to follow ._. Had I known what not to do, I would have listened ;)

But when it comes to Yanmega counters, steels beat HP Ice versions and dragons beat HP Ground versions. Standard special walls and Bronzong beat both. The Choice Specs set just hits ridiculously hard, so basically you'll need another sturdy special wall to be 100% sure on beating Yanmega. Considering you won't use Blissey, that really only leaves you with Regice and Snorlax if you want to play it totally safe. You can play your luck with Magnezone (who makes an okay switch on CBtar...kinda), but HP Ground wastes you.

I don't really know what to recommend. I'd just look at the Smogon page and decide for yourself.

Ha, HP ICE, but they can't switch in to save thier life.

Now, onto more pressing matters, I know I'm playing with fire, using him to beat Ttar, but I'll take it.

This sounds totally stupid, but what if I used Noctowl? Don't kick me, I'm just shouting crap since Family Guy is on. Oh yeah, HP ICE. Of all the guesses, it was pretty good, if I say so meself.


Hm, I may not do this, but what if I replaced Grumpig for Snorlax? I've wanted one since Gold. I don't see a reason to lose Torterra with Snorlax on mah teamz.

 

[Anti]

Snorlax does a lot of what Grumpiig does, only with ghost immunity > fighting resistance. It would be kinda redundant to use both. Resttalk Snorlax...I love the thing to death. I prefer it to Blissey because sub/CMers don't totally walk over it lol

Then you could keep Torterra and all would be balanced in the universe. That would help your team a lot IMO.

That and Snorlax is a fav of mine and any chance I get to shamelessly promote it I will take.

 

[sims796]

Oh yeah, no, I would replace Grumpig for Snorlax, although Grumpig stays in standby, along with Flygon & Noctowl, who beats Yanmega 100% of the time...as long as it lacks HP ICE.

Although Mixape would be moar of a problem (srsly, I loved Grumpig's fighting resist), along with CB Gallade (it's evar so much phun switching in on CB Gallade's Close Combat) it's not too biga deal.

 

[Anti]

Oh, Mixape would be a really big problem, and I don't know any rock resist that can take it either >_< I guess you'll just have to pick either Yanmega or Mixape to be weak to. Mixape is more common in my experiences, so maybe Grumpig would be better.

I swear, they need an electric special wall that isn't weak to special attacks besides earth Power =/