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which moveset for Lucario?


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    Dragonite @ Shell Bell
    Quirky
    Inner Focus
    Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
    Aqua Tail
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    Stone Edge/EQ

    My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.

    Espeon @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Synchronize
    Evs:178atk,115sp.def
    Psychic
    Morning Sun
    Shadow Ball
    Grass Knot

    My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Modest
    Synchronize
    Evs:152spd
    Confuse Ray
    Dark Pulse
    Substitute
    Embargo

    My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.

    Metagross @ Scope Lens
    Hardy
    Clear Body
    Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
    Magnet Rise
    Meteor Mash
    Flash Cannon/EQ
    Psychic/Zen Headbutt

    My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can't decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

    Flygon @ (insert item here)
    Rash
    Levitate
    Evs:Unknown
    EQ
    Giga Drain
    Dragon Claw
    Flamethrower

    My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.



    Lucario @ Razor Fang
    Naïve
    Evs:152def,100sp.def
    Aura Sphere
    Dragon Pulse
    EQ
    Psychic

    The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.
     
    Dragonite @ Shell Bell
    Quirky
    Inner Focus
    Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
    Aqua Tail
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    Stone Edge/EQ
    Shell Bell simply does not pass as an item. Leftovers would be a better choice. Quirky is a neutral nature, which isn't good. Try Adamant. Also, you need a complete EV spread. An Ev spread that adds up to 508, not 352. Aqua Tail provides little coverage after Fire Punch and Earthquake. The good moveset would be Fire Punch and Earthquake.


    Dragonite @ Leftovers
    Trait: Inner Focus
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Attack / 172 Speed / 84 HP
    - Dragon dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Punch

    Espeon @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Synchronize
    Evs:178atk,115sp.def
    Psychic
    Morning Sun
    Shadow Ball
    Grass Knot
    Morning Sun is not needed since it won't be taking two hits, maybe not even one. Hidden power is the only other Special Attack move it learns, and it can be quite useful and unpredictability. I'd use HP Fighting or Ice instead of Morning Sun. Again, you need at least 508 EVs, and Attack EVs are not needed since Espeon doesn't use physical attacks. I prefer a Timid nature over a Bold to outrun, and Bold really does nothing to help Espeon.


    Espeon @ Life Orb / Choice Specs
    Trait: Synchronize
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed , 4 HP
    - Psychic
    - Shadow Ball
    - Hidden Power [ICE / FIGHTING]
    - Grass Knot.

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Modest
    Synchronize
    Evs:152spd
    Confuse Ray
    Dark Pulse
    Substitute
    Embargo
    Honestly, Umbreon never really was a good Pokemon in competetive battling. If you insist on using it however...

    Modest is a waste on it, Umbreon wasn't designed for attacking. Full EV set please. Confuse Ray is bleh, it is easily gotten rid of by a simple switch. Dark Pulse doesn't do much, even after STAB, because of its low offenses. Embargo is useless, in competetive, items from the bag won't be used. Thus, Embargo serves no purpose.

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
    - Mean Look
    - Baton Pass
    - Substitute / Taunt
    - Toxic

    Metagross @ Scope Lens
    Hardy
    Clear Body
    Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
    Magnet Rise
    Meteor Mash
    Flash Cannon/EQ
    Psychic/Zen Headbutt
    Leftovers would be a better choice than Scope Lens. Hardy would be doing little, again with the neutral natures. They're not doing anything for you. Metagross needs more Attack and HP EVs. Magnet Rise does little for Metagross. The only time you'd actually find Magnet Rise useful is with Magnezone. I'd suggest Explosion or Agility. Two steel attacks is bleh, so use Earthquake. Psychic moves are a real waste on Metagross, use Thunderpunch.


    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Attack / 172 HP / 84 Speed
    - Agility / Explosion
    - Meteor Mash
    - Thunderpunch
    - Earthquake

    Flygon @ (insert item here)
    Rash
    Levitate
    Evs:Unknown
    EQ
    Giga Drain
    Dragon Claw
    Flamethrower
    I don't know much about Flygon. Garchomp / Dragonite / Salamence does this better though.


    Lucario @ Razor Fang
    Naïve
    Evs:152def,100sp.def
    Aura Sphere
    Dragon Pulse
    EQ
    Psychic
    Razor Fang is hax, so don't use it. Defensive EVs are useless, Lucario won't be taking hits. 252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack.
     
    Im confused to why none of these pokes have maxed EVs. I'll rate the rest when that's been explained
     
    The reason they're not fully EV'd is that i wanted room to make changes depending on what others said.
     
    Ok, in that case you dont really get the general idea of a RMT. You're meant to plan out your team, work out the kinks, then make it. Even if your EVs are wrong you've still wasted most of your EVs on them. For example, dragonite has 252 useless special attack EVs, so you have to start again now anyway. In fact, most of the EVs and natures need scrapping entirely. To be honest it looks like you've pulled this team from your in-game line up and guessed at the EVs. I'd go back and read through the FAQs, learn how natures ect work, then edit the line-upto what the pokes will be.
     
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    Dragonite @ Life orb
    Jolly
    Inner Focus
    Evs: 252 atk/252 speed/6HP
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    EQ
    Fire punch

    My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.

    Espeon @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Synchronize
    Evs:178atk,115sp.def
    Psychic
    Morning Sun
    Shadow Ball
    Grass Knot

    Go with clade

    My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Modest
    Synchronize
    Evs:152spd
    Confuse Ray
    Dark Pulse
    Substitute
    Embargo

    My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.

    I'm not so good with this pokemon.

    Metagross @ Scope Lens
    Hardy
    Clear Body
    Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
    Magnet Rise
    Meteor Mash
    Flash Cannon/EQ
    Psychic/Zen Headbutt

    Go with clade

    My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can't decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

    Flygon @ Lifeorb
    Admant/Naughty
    Levitate
    Evs:252atk/252speed/6HP
    EQ
    U-turn
    Dragon Claw
    Fireblast

    Not so sure about the EV's and nature.

    My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.



    Lucario @ Lifeorb
    Adamant
    Evs: 252 atk/252speed/6 HP
    Swords dance
    Close combat
    Bullet punch/Extreme speed
    Crunch


    No no no, try SD luke.

    The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.

    Changes are in bold.
    Meh, this is just stupid.
     
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    Is this any better?

    Dragonite @ Life orb
    Jolly

    Inner Focus
    Evs: 252 atk/252 speed/6HP
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    EQ
    Fire punch


    Espeon @ Life Orb /
    Trait: Synchronize

    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed , 4 HP
    - Psychic
    - Shadow Ball
    - Hidden Power [type unknown]
    - Grass Knot.


    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize

    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDefense
    - Mean Look
    - Baton Pass
    - Substitute
    - Toxic


    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body

    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Attack / 172 HP / 84 Speed
    - Agility / Explosion
    - Meteor Mash
    - Thunderpunch
    - Earthquake


    Flygon @ Lifeorb
    Naughty

    Levitate
    Evs:252atk/252speed/6sp.def
    EQ
    U-turn
    Dragon Claw
    Flamethrower


    Lucario @
    Naïve
    Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack

    Aura Sphere
    Extremespeed
    EQ
    Swords Dance
     
    You shouldn't have SD on a mixed Luke, so either use MixLuke, in which case, remove SD, or use SD Luke without Aura Sphere. The SD set provided earlier was pretty much the best set for you. Looking back, I think it is actually best to use MixLuke seeing as the majority of your team are physical sweepers. I'm not entirely sure about the nature, but try something like:

    Lucario@Life Orb
    Lonley/Rash Nature
    EVs: 252 Atk 252 Sp.Atk 6 Spe (Not entirely sure on those)
    Aura Sphere
    Close Combat
    Dark Pulse
    Extremespeed/Bullet Punch/Dragon Pulse/EQ

    This is a mighty wall destroyer. You see a physical wall, you use a special move and vice versa. Two STAB fighting attacks are useful are very useful, and for that last slot, those moves are in order of preference.
     
    The sets are all fine (C&P from somewhere but that's not important) but your team still lacks synergy. Namely the lack of special wallsing, and your physical wall isnt the greatest choice either. You also have one special sweeper and 4 physical ones, a tremendous imbalance. You need to drop at least 2 physical sweepers, and get a special wall. A spinner wouldnt be too bad either.
     
    How about this mixluke?
    Lucario @
    Naïve
    Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack
    Aura Sphere
    Extremespeed
    EQ
    Drain Punch

    well, i know it's not exactly mix, but thats because i want it to mainly be physical, because i'll probably drop Flygon for the poke below.

    And is this a good special wall?
    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Serene Grace
    Serious
    EVs:252sp.def,252sp.atk,4hp
    Softboiled
    Rain Dance
    Thunder
    Swagger

    Please give me your exact opinions.
     
    How about this mixluke?
    Lucario @
    Naïve
    Evs:252 Speed / 200 Sp.Atk / 56 Attack
    Aura Sphere
    Extremespeed
    EQ
    Drain Punch

    well, i know it's not exactly mix, but thats because i want it to mainly be physical, because i'll probably drop Flygon for the poke below.

    And is this a good special wall?
    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Serene Grace
    Serious
    EVs:252sp.def,252sp.atk,4hp
    Softboiled
    Rain Dance
    Thunder
    Swagger

    Please give me your exact opinions.


    Lucario@Life Orb
    252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Swords Dance
    - Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
    - Stone Edge / Crunch / Bullet Punch



    LOL Bad blissey set is bad

    Blissey@leftovers
    40 HP / 252 DEF / 216 S.DEF
    Calm nature
    Trait : natural Cure
    - Thunderwave
    - Seismic Toss
    - Aromatherapy
    - Softboiled
     
    Is this a better special wall? i found it sitting there in the PC, just waitin to be discovered:
    Roserade @ Leftovers
    Careful
    Poison Point
    EVs:252sp.def,148sp.atk,108spd
    Toxic Spikes/Extrasensory
    Giga Drain
    Aromatherapy/Synthesis please tell me which is best!
    Sludge Bomb
    Like i said with the Blissey, this would replace Flygon.
     
    There are a few problems I can think of, which I have listed below:

    Dragonite @ Shell Bell
    Quirky
    Inner Focus
    Evs:252sp.atk,100spd
    Aqua Tail
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    Stone Edge/EQ

    My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.



    Dragonite's main advantage over, for example Salamence is that it can learn Dragon Dance, so I would recommend either a Jolly or Adamant nature to make use of the stat boost that Dragon Dance gives. I also think that Aqua Tail may be a bit redundant here since you are unlikely to come up against fire-types. The Earthquake may be a better idea than stone edge, and you could also use Aerial Ace instead of Aqua Tail.

    Espeon @ Leftovers
    Bold
    Synchronize
    Evs:178atk,115sp.def
    Psychic
    Morning Sun
    Shadow Ball
    Grass Knot

    My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.

    I like the Eeveeloutions because they look nice and can be quite useful sometimes, however their are much better Psychic Special sweepers than Espeon. Alakazam the best of the lot, or if you are looking for something with a higher Def maybe a Gardevoir could be used. There are also Pokémon like Mismagius which are fairly versitile and good for Sweeping. If you wanted to use Espeon, however, teaching it Baton Pass may be a good idea, since Espeon is quick it will be useful if a Dark-Type is thrown out against you.

    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Modest
    Synchronize
    Evs:152spd
    Confuse Ray
    Dark Pulse
    Substitute
    Embargo

    My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.



    Again, I quite like Umbreon, but there are better dark Pokémon out there you could use, if you are looking for an annoyer then you might be able to use Spiritomb, but Umbreon would probably do. You definitely need to get rid of Embargo, as in Wifi battling it is pointless, also it may be an idea to change Confuse Ray for Toxic or something...
    Metagross @ Scope Lens
    Hardy
    Clear Body
    Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
    Magnet Rise
    Meteor Mash
    Flash Cannon/EQ
    Psychic/Zen Headbutt

    My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can't decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.

    Flygon @ (insert item here)
    Rash
    Levitate
    Evs:Unknown
    EQ
    Giga Drain
    Dragon Claw
    Flamethrower

    My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.

    The main thing I can see wrong with those two is the natures, and the fact that the moves do not fit in with the Pokémon's strongest stat, for example both Pokémon have a higher Atk than SpA, so you should use moves and natures that make use of that.

    Lucario @ Razor Fang
    Naïve
    Evs:152def,100sp.def
    Aura Sphere
    Dragon Pulse
    EQ
    Psychic

    The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.

    I like the moveset, although since you have used mainly special-type moves Earthquake may not be the best idea, my advice would be to teach it Calm Mind instead. Again, you have not chosen the best nature. Modest for attack, or whichever one it is that lowers Atk and raises either SDef or Def for defense would be better :)
     
    Take EQ of lucario, it sucks on it, Fighting and Ground have too close coverage, and even when EQ is super effective, Close Combat still does more =/ Stone Edge, Crunch or Extremespeed >> EQ.

    Also Roserade is in no way shape or form a Special wall.
     
    Okay, i get it, u think EQ suks on Lucario. Thanks but is Roserade any good?
     
    DA summed it up at the bottom, it pretty much sucks as a special wall. Low base hp couple with a very average SpDef stat wreck it, especially since synthesis's recovery is halved in the most common weather out there-sandstrorm.

    And EQ does suck on lucario. Its coverage basically matches fighting, which lucario gets STAB for.
     
    Are these any god at spec. wall?

    Gyarados @ leftovers
    Gentle
    EVs:200sp.def,170atk:138spd
    Ice Fang/Avalanche
    Aqua Tail
    EQ
    Flamethrower

    Yes, a Gyarados without DD i know, but i reckons it could be alright

    or would this be better?

    Gallade @ Life Orb
    Gentle
    EVs:200sp.def,170spd,138atk
    Leaf Blade
    Close Combat
    Psycho Cut
    SD/Slash
     
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    Are these any god at spec. wall?

    Gyarados @ leftovers
    Gentle
    EVs:200sp.def,170atk:138spd
    Ice Fang/Avalanche
    Aqua Tail
    EQ
    Flamethrower

    Yes, a Gyarados without DD i know, but i reckons it could be alright

    or would this be better?

    Gallade @ Life Orb
    Gentle
    EVs:200sp.def,170spd,138atk
    Leaf Blade
    Close Combat
    Psycho Cut
    SD/Slash

    Both those are sweepers, so no. Flamethrower is a special attack and coming off Gyarados pathetic sp.att it is lol.

    Blissey is an example of a sp.wall, and so is snorlax.
     
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