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[El Gofre]

Just an observation:
A self damaging wall?
Strangest suggestion everrrr

But yeah bare in mind OP that a special wall isnt just a high SpDef stat, it needs HP and a moveset to back it up.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Is this team more balanced?

I have used your advice to raise another team, is this one any good?

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength
My new leader and physical sweeper,thanks for getting the stupid idea out of my head that it was a special wall Gofre.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Mild
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,108spd
Outrage
DD
EQ
Fire Punch

2nd physical sweeper that is sp.defensive as well (slightly).+Roost means he can last a little longer.

Tentacruel @Poison Barb
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,150sp.atk,106spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes

My first real special wall, the Giga Drainer.

Lucario @ Scope Lens
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse

Mixluke.Need i say more?

Metagross @ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
EVs:252atk,252def,4hp
Meteor Mash
EQ
Rest
Sleep Talk

The Tank.Rest because tanks are ment to last FOREVAR! and Sleep Talk so its not completely useless while its asleep.

Ambipom @ Lax Incense
Timid/Jolly
Technician
EVs:252spd,252hp,4def
Baton Pass
Screech
Swagger
Stealth Rock

I have tok a hint with Umbreon and got this annoyer instead.It is way more useful as it can outpace more pokes.

So,like i said this is my new team, please rate it.

 

[El Gofre]

You still have major flaws. For one, no physical wall. Tanks arent meant to last forever, walls are. Not only that, your special wall cannot recover (Except for a move with so little coverage that you're barely healing at all), so lefties over crappy 10% items.
Scope lense is hax, so get rid of it.
Metagros needs 252Att/152HP/104Spd, and get rid of restalk, it sucks on him. Use agility and thunderpunch/explosion for the moves instead.
Seriously, ambipom is achieving nothing on this team. Screech is fixed by a simple switch in, as is confusion. Besides, what are you planning on passing with it?
What the heck is going on with that dragonite? Special attack EVs and no special attacks? You're talking about roost which it does not have.
I'd cover the rest, but there's too much.

Tbh the last one was better, what does that show?

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength


Dragonite @ Leftovers
Mild
Inner Focus
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
DD
EQ
Fire Punch


Tentacruel @Leftovers
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,150sp.atk,106spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes



Lucario @ Focus Band
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse


Metagross @ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
EVs:252Att,152HP,104Spd
Meteor Mash
EQ
Explosion
Agility






No i don't know what the heck i was doing with Dragonite either,sorry.I forgot how much people switch in compet battles.
Any better G?

N.B. Ambipom has been removed for further training and a rethink of EVs and moves.

 

[El Gofre]

Like i said, you still lack vital things like a physical wall. Movesets and EV spreads are also off
Like i said, there's too much to cover. Go to the compiled guides in the stickie and read up on the standard sets at the bottom of the page.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Scrapping Ambipom.Thinking about dropping Metagross for the 2nd

New addition.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Adamant
Hyper Cutter
EVs:252def,252hp
X-scissor
Poison Jab
Night Slash
Ice Fang

A new wall. I hope this one doesn't have as many problems as the others.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Timid
Hustle
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Ancientpower
Baton Pass
Air Slash
Shadow Ball

I think this makes quite a good special sweeper in a way. And i like it.Timid to outrun, Hustle coz i don't use physicalKiss. Wadda u think evry1?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Scrapping Ambipom.Thinking about dropping Metagross for the 2nd

New addition.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Adamant
Hyper Cutter
EVs:252def,252hp
X-scissor
Poison Jab
Night Slash
Ice Fang

A new wall. I hope this one doesn't have as many problems as the others.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Timid
Hustle
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Ancientpower
Baton Pass
Air Slash
Shadow Ball

I think this makes quite a good special sweeper in a way. And i like it.Timid to outrun, Hustle coz i don't use physicalKiss. Wadda u think evry1?

Horrid.


Togekiss@Leftovers
64 HP / 252 Sp.A / 192 Spe
Modest Nature
Trait : Serene Grace.
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost

Rips Apart stuff. Hustle is generally bad on any Kiss set apart from the CB set, 60% Flinch Hax that serene grace grants is better.


Gliscor@leftovers
252 HP / 188 DEF / 72 SPEED
Impish nature
Trait : Sand Veil
- Aerial Ace / Ice Fang / Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock / Knock off / Taunt

This is a wall, your set was just offensive in both senses of the word. It had no recovery move, it was just all out attack. It didnt even have Earthquake for gods sake o_o. 72 Speed evs outspeed Jolly T-Tar, Breloom, and Timid Magnezone.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I think i may have got all the help,along with looking at the compiled guides,i need to make a good team, but just to be sure:

Gyarados@ Life Orb
Hasty
Intimidate
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Aqua Tail
Avalanche
Dragon Dance
Strength

The Leader from hell (or maybe heaven...no hell..i don't know)

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Adamant
Inner Focus
EVs:252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch

The Dragon Sweeper

Tentacruel @Leftovers
Modest
Clear Body
EVs:252sp.def,252hp,4spd
Hydro Pump
Sludge Bomb
Giga Drain
Toxic Spikes

I think i might have cracked this one's EVs finally

Lucario @ Focus Band
Naive
Inner Focus
EVs:250atk,150sp.atk,106spd
Drain Punch
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dragon Pulse

Same nature,same poke. Just with a way of healing (slightly)

Togekiss@Leftovers
64 hp, 252 Sp.atk, 192 Spd
Modest Nature
Trait : Serene Grace.
Nasty Plot
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Roost

All hail Plotkiss

Gliscor@leftovers
Impish
Sand Veil
252 hp, 188 def, 72 spd
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Roost
Stealth Rock

Yet again you were right Dark_Azelf, it was too atacking, in fact it was that bad that it got took out by my brother's Blaziken, which only knows fire moves and isn't EV trained.

 

[Anti]

the horrible color makes a quoted rate impossible, so...

Gyarados: Strength is horrible...just horrible. Avalanche on a DD set isn't smart thinking either. Gyarados is a bad enough lead with Taunt and DD, but without Taunt it is just...horrific. Try:

Gyarados @ Leftovers / Wacan Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP / 16 Atk / 180 Def / 100 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall / Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Stone Edge

Dragonite: Pretty pointless with Gyarados on your team. Replace it or Gyarados.

Tentacruel: I don't know a lot about it, but I can tell you that Hydro Pump is a no-no.

Lucario: Just...no. I would visit Smogon's page on it, it's done very well and will certainly help you come up with a better set than the one you have. Also, Focus Band is banned.

Togekiss: Looks fine to me...until I saw "PlotKiss"

Gliscor: Fine, but outspeeding things on a team as defensively weak as this one probably shouldn't be a priority.


Offensively, this team is very unbalanced and weak. You absolutely terrify Blissey, but physical walls walk all over you (especially since many can PHaze Togekiss). I would replace Dragonite or Gyarados for a better special wall than Tentacruel (though Tenta is a good poke, but as a special wall it is lacking).

I would also take out Lucario for a rapid spinner like Starmie, who would also cover up several of your weaknesses.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I this a good mixed wall?

Probopass @ Lefties
Quirky
Sturdy
EVs:168def,168sp.def,168hp (exactly a third of 508 for each)
Rest
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Thunder Wave
Earth Power/Flash Cannon

If not, how about this one

Bronzong @ Lefties
Quirky
EVs: 168hp,168def,168sp.def (the same as he who has nose hair)
Gyro Ball
Rest
Hypnosis/Reflect
Dream Eater/Light Screen

I figured that if i had one of these i would be able to drop Gyarados, Tenta and Gliscor to focus on a rapid spinner and a special sweep like these:

Rapid Spinner

Starmie @ Shed Shell
Modest
Natural Cure
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Rapid Spin
Psychic
Power Gem
Surf/Brine

Special sweeper

Drifblim @ (IDEAS?)
Timid
Aftermath
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Shadow Ball
Silver Wind
Baton Pass
Hypnosis/Destiny Bond

OR this one

Latios @ Lax Incense
Nature: forgot,sorry
Levitate
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
Recover
Energy Ball

I have looked in the compiled guides and it is NOT an uber coz i don't hav a Soul Dew.

 

[El Gofre]

I this a good mixed wall?

Probopass @ Lefties
Quirky
Sturdy
EVs:168def,168sp.def,168hp (exactly a third of 508 for each)
Rest
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Thunder Wave
Earth Power/Flash Cannon
This thing sucks. It has 2 4x weaknesses, and it sucks. Did i mention it sucks? Dont uae it.

If not, how about this one

Bronzong @ Lefties
Quirky
EVs: 168hp,168def,168sp.def (the same as he who has nose hair)
Gyro Ball
Rest
Hypnosis/Reflect
Dream Eater/Light Screen
A better choice, but the set/EVs need changing. I will try and find the standard for you.


I figured that if i had one of these i would be able to drop Gyarados, Tenta and Gliscor to focus on a rapid spinner and a special sweep like these:

Rapid Spinner

Starmie@Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172HP/122SpAtt/216Spd
Rapid Spin
Reover
Thunderbolt
Surf
Aweful starmie set makes PokeJesus cry :(
WTF is shed shell going to achieve? Really, thats just stupid.

Special sweeper

Drifblim @ (IDEAS?)
Timid
Aftermath
EVs:252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Shadow Ball
Silver Wind
Baton Pass
Hypnosis/Destiny Bond
No, No and a bit more NO. It's SpAtt is too low without an item boost and it's speed is too low with an item attatched. It's a sub-passer, not a sweeper. Scrap the idea please

OR this one

Latios @ Lax Incense
Nature: forgot,sorry
Levitate
EVs:252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
Recover
Energy Ball

I have looked in the compiled guides and it is NOT an uber coz i don't hav a Soul Dew.
Well according to the tier list it's uber with or without it, so it cant be used.

Here's some advice for you- When people give you advice, take it into account. Adjust your current team. What you don't do is ignore thei advice, and post some new random sets hoping they work :|

 

[Lalapizzame]

:\Please let this thread through mr. moderator guy!?!?:)


Dragonite @ Shell Bell Leftovers
QuirkyAdamant
Inner Focus
Evs:252sp.atk,100spdNo idea about the EVs.
Aqua TailFire Blast/Fire Punch
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Stone Edge/EQEarthquake

My physical sweeper and all-out rampager, can take out most in 2/3 turns.
Sure...It won't do much without Adamant or if it's that slow.

Espeon@Choice Specs
Timid/Modest
Synchronize
Evs:178atk,115sp.def252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Psychic
Morning SunHP Fighting
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

My special sweeper. Shadow Ball helps out against ghost types and grass knot is for a bit of unpredictability.
No.Grass Knot is expected on a sweeper set for Espeon.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
ModestBold/Calm/Careful
Synchronize
Evs:152spdSorry I forgot this too.
Confuse RaySleep Talk
Dark Pulse
Substitute Rest
EmbargoToxic

My annoyer. Goes out against tough pokes, preferably slow ones, and stops them in their tracks.
You think?Can it survive 2-3 Dynamicpunches from Machamp that never miss?

Metagross @ Scope Lens
Hardy
Clear Body
Evs:70atk,100spd,97sp.atk
Magnet RiseIce Punch
Meteor Mash
Flash Cannon/EQ EQ
Psychic/Zen HeadbuttExplosion

My Tank. Magnet Rise protects from the ever-present Earthquake,while Meteor Mash crushes Ice.I can't decide between Flash Cannon or EQ,and Psychic or Zen Headbutt.
Manet Rise is useless.It can survive a non-boosted Garchomp's EQ with ease then why fear EQ so much?Ice Punch is a nice alternative for dragons so really consider it.

Flygon @ (insert item here)Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Rash/Naughty/Naive
Levitate
Evs:Unknown
EQ/Earth Power
Giga Drain
Dragon Claw
Flamethrower/Fire Blast

My multi-type mixed sweeper. Specializes in Whiscash, Swampert and Quagsire, but is brilliant against most. My Skarmory and Bronzong Basher, as I have noticed they are so popular.
You won't do nothing against my classic special-walling only Bronzong.Dragon Claw still won't do much and Flamethrower is pitiable against Max HP/Max Special Defense Bronzong.



Lucario @ Razor Fang
NaïveI believe Adamant is the recommended nature for SDing Lucario.
Evs:252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Close Combat
Extremespeed
EQ
Stone Edge/Blaze Kick

The one that cleans up.Can take on pretty much anything. Struggles against EQ,so the sp.def Evs were perfect.

It will still die to EQs from Metagross or other common Ground type attack users no matter what you do to pump up it's defenses.Even if it did,it's Attack and Sp.Attack is pitiful and won't KO.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I am not going to be posting on this thread until i can get a fully planned team sorted, however please feelo free to comment on/diss my pokes.

No my Umbreon can't survive 3 Dynamicpunches, but i've scrapped it, so it doesn't matter lalapizzamme

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I is back and has a choices maded (and to make)

Hi, i tink i've got it sorted now. I think (although it is hard since Dragonite blew up my house and my DS with it)
So here it is:
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Dragonite @ Lefties
Adamant nature

Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

The leader, crushes special walls like bugs.(he crushes humans too)

Swampert@Leftovers
Relaxed
240hp,212def,56sp.atk
Surf
Earthquake
Avalanche
Stealth Rock

He who is big.Andscary.

Gardevoir@leftovers
Modest Nature
Trace
252hp,176sp.def,48sp.atk,32spd
Hypnosis
Wish
Psychic
Shadow Ball

Special Wall. Murders you in your sleep. (Hypnopsychic)
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Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive Nature
Inner Focus
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Aura Sphere
Flash Cannon
Dragon Pulse
Dark pulse

Special Luke is…special and i can't let him go...(i has a favrit!)

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Articuno@leftovers
Calm
252hp,162sp.def,96spd.

Ice Beam
Mind Reader
Sheer Cold
Roost​

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Mindfreezer.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Rapid Spin
Recover
Power Gem
Surf

Yes, i know power gem isn't comon but i like it.

so.....wadda u think?


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[El Gofre]

Sigh,
No physical wall, your special wall isnt the greatest choice either.
OHKO moves are banned.
Your lead is likely to be KO'ed by anything with ice attacks, leaving you with no physical sweeper.
Power gem isnt common on starmie because it sucks. Use the standard stamrie i posted

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Oops. Oh yeah, i wasn't actually meaning to put Gardevoir in there. It was meant to be Bronzong, so i didn't have to have 2 walls, because if a fire pokemon comes, Starmie and Dragonite aren't exactly going to be beat up by it. unless its a Nape with punches.

Here's my Zong set:

Bronzong @ lefties (i likes lefties)
Relaxed
Levitate
252hp,148sp.def,108def
Gyro Ball
EQ
Rest
Light Screen

And if OHKO moves are banned Articuno is pointless, so i'll use this:

Togekiss@ Yet again, lefties
Timid
Serene Grace
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Aura Sphere
Ancientpower
Air Slash
Roost

Togekiss, the only reason to cxatch Togepi (unless you like cute contests instead of real battles).

And i would go with your standard Starmie but for one thing: i don't have T-bolt. so...i'll go with Flash Cannon.
Thanks for bringing me down to earth. And i'll change to mixluke:
Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive (so i don't need as much spd)
Inner Focus
200sp.atk,200atk,108spd
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Dark Pulse
Drain Punch/Poison Jab

 

[El Gofre]

You shouldnt be basing your walling on attack type, but attack kind. A special wall will usually die quickly to physical attacks weather it takes super effective damage or not. You need a wall for both physical and special.
And Nape almost always carries an electric attack, so you'd be screwed.

 

[Dark Azelf]

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Dragonite @ Lefties
Jolly nature

Inner Focus
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Wants jolly

Swampert@Leftovers
Relaxed
240hp,212def,56sp.atk
Surf
Earthquake
ice Beam
Stealth Rock

avalanche is stupid, Ice beam ohkos Salamence after an intimidate unlike avalanche.

Gardevoir@leftovers
Modest Nature
Trace
252hp,176sp.def,48sp.atk,32spd
Will-o-wisp
Wish
Psychic
Shadow Ball

Good, Will-o-wisp is better, physical sweepers are gonna want to come in and Pursuit you, so at least cripple them.

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Lucario @ Choice Specs
Timid Nature
Inner Focus
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Aura Sphere
Vacuum Wave
Dragon Pulse
Dark pulse

Flash Cannon is no..... vacuum Wave is yes, ohko on weavile and t-tar and finishing off weakened opponents = win. Timid >> Naive. CHOICE SPECS NOW !!!

Articuno@leftovers
Calm
252hp,162sp.def,96 Def

Ice Beam
Roar
Reflect / Heal Bell /Toxic
Roost​

Yeah, what an awesome combo.....not. You do realize people can switch out of that noob combo after you mind reader =/ Also Sheer Cold is banned in competitive battling. Put those 96 evs in Def.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 Speed.
Rapid Spin
Recover
Thunderbolt
Surf

There is a reason power gem isnt Common and thats becasue is fails horribly. Thunderbolt plzzz, so you can beat Gyarados, also bulk up your ev spread so you can take a hit from Ape and Dos.. 252 speed is overkill aswell, 216 is all it needs to Outrun gengar, which is whay you should be aiming for.


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Comments and changes are in bold.

Your quite weavile weak tbh, also nothing can come in on Heracross. Put a steel in such as metagross or Scizor.


You also need a more reliable Physical wall. Consider Weezing.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Oh, by the way i put a wrong move in for Togekiss, it's Baton Pass instead of Ancientpower. Should i drop Roost/Aura Sphere
and make it a Wishpasser?And when you say i have no way of dealing with Heracross, doesn't Fire Punch get a super-effective hit cross? It could possibly even get a OHKO if i'm lucky.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Oh, by the way i put a wrong move in for Togekiss, it's Baton Pass instead of Ancientpower. Should i drop Roost/Aura Sphere
and make it a Wishpasser?And when you say i have no way of dealing with Heracross, doesn't Fire Punch get a super-effective hit cross? It could possibly even get a OHKO if i'm lucky.

Thing is, a counter must be able to switch in first, Dragonite cannot do this, thanks to heracross having Stone Edge.