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RMT (D/P OU)

TheMauveStorm

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    I started DP about a month or so ago as you might remember. I don't battle much so I'm slowly getting the hang of it and I'd like some help on this team I tossed together.

    Azelf @ Focus Sash ** Starálfur
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Explosion
    - Fire Blast
    - Psychic
    - Stealth Rock

    Standard Leadelf. Counters many leads such as unsashed Infernape and Roserade, Gengar, non-Bulky Gyarados' and also 2HKOs Levitate Bronzong.

    Zapdos @ Leftovers ** Flugufrelsarinn
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Heat Wave
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Roost
    - Thunderbolt

    Defensively bulky Zapdos as I have Latias that can take most specials and Heatran or Scizor are able to eat Ice Beams. Heat Wave for Scizor and HP [Grass] for the likes of Swampert. Both give me great coverage in general.

    Scizor (M) @ Life Orb ** Dauðalagið
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Def / 80 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brick Break
    - Bullet Punch
    - Roost
    - Swords Dance

    SD Scizor can really rip though teams. I'm considering Pursuit over Brick Break. Though it might be pointless because after 1 SD I'll 1-2HKO pretty much everything and I'm not really worried about anything weak to Pursuit comming in to try and stop me.

    Heatran (F) @ Choice Scarf ** Glósóli
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Earth Power
    - Explosion
    - Fire Blast

    Standard. Dragon Pulse hits Latias harder than HP [Ice] and hits Mence hard enough I suppose.

    Breloom (F) @ Toxic Orb ** Samskeyti
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Focus Punch
    - Leech Seed
    - Spore
    - Substitute

    Rock Resist though since he's not too bulky he does take a decent chunk from Stone Edges. Also Sleeps and Seeds opponents and hits hard with Focus Punch.

    Latias (F) @ Leftovers ** Von
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 148 HP / 252 Spd / 108 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Recover
    - Safeguard

    Pretty Standard Latias. Relfect just for more support though I haven't gotten much use out of it. I could have used Refesh in one battle for those late game 1v1 situations where they have Toxic. Though that would get barely any use as well. Safeguard would be an interesting option as well imo.

    Umm I just kinda threw this together so any intelligent rates would be helpful I'd even switch some Pokemon around to help make this a better overall team. Thanks guys.
     
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    hmm your kinda Ttar weak
    also, it may be of no use, but why do you have 3 special based attackers, and not really any walls..
    One of my favorate physical walls is Hippowdon:
    Hippowdon @ leftovers
    Impish / Sand Stream
    Earthquake
    Slack off
    Stealth rock
    Roar/ toxic/ stone edge/ ice fang

    252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD

    obviously you could substitute SR for something, considering you already have Azelf
    but ya, hope that helps a little =)
     
    Well Zapdos is defensively bulky and Latias is a special wall basically and Scizor/Heatran takes Ice Beams that they can't. Care to tell me what I should take out?

    More rates please.
     
    Hippowdon solves the Tyranitar problem but screws over everything that isn't immune to Sandstorm, and it really doesn't help a whole lot (though a Rock resist could certainly be handy). I really wouldn't use Hippowdon.

    The problem with this team (besides Tyranitar) is that nothing hits hard right away. Everything is a set-up sweeper or just lacks the raw power to really do damage. I think Scizor's moveset should be changed, since it has a lot of trouble sweeping with two attacks and quite frankly doesn't have the support to pull that set off. Scizor makes a really good Choice Bander, so it will give you instant power, scouting with U-Turn, and a way to revenge kill Tyranitar:

    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spd OR 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - U-Turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit

    The first EV spread gives Scizor 184 Speed, which beats 68 Spd Vaporeon and other slow waters like Swampert. The second EV spread lets Scizor outspeed 4 Spd Suicune and Cresselia, the latter being especially important since it often has Reflect (or it can hammer you with paralysis before you can U-Turn it). In both cases, the HP EVs maximize Scizor's defenses, and it needs both Defense and Special Defense (for Tyranitar and Gengar, respectively). Personally, I'd use the second spread, largely because Cresselia can wall and cripple most of your team with Thunder Wave and its great defenses. Since Scizor is the only thing that truly stands in its way, outspeeding it would be a good idea.

    Alternatively, you could use the first spread and use Safeguard or Refresh (preferably the latter just so you can switch into Blissey's Toxic and stuff like that with no fear) on Latias to outstall Cresselia and beat it with a +6 Dragon Pulse. That might even be preferable since your team lacks any kind of way to deal with status, even though it's not a huge deal.

    One other thing is Togekiss...I question its spot on this team. It's very similar to Zapdos both offensively and defensively (as far as what it can beat and what can stop it). I would consider getting rid of one of the two. It doesn't really matter which since everything Zapdos covers from a defensive standpoint your team covers, but Togekiss lacks support/anything to deal with its two most common counters (opposing Zapdos and the Rotom formes). This team could probably benefit from a physical attacker in place of whichever one you replace (if you do replace one of them). You lack physical attacking power, and honestly, physical attackers tend to be more dominant than special attackers (though it varies, obviously).
     
    I just wanted to use Togekiss lol. Maybe I could use something like DD Mence or DD Gyara in it's place for some Physical power?
     
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    You can replace Zapdos instead. It doesn't really make a difference.

    But yeah, that works. It also fills in as late-game sweeper, which SD Scizor would have filled (even though Salamence and Gyarados are both way better at that anyways). I'd use Salamence instead of Gyarados, but if Mamoswine worries you (and it does dent your team a bit), Gyarados is a better choice. Salamence is honestly a more effective sweeper, but everybody is Gyarados.

    In other words, use whichever one you want. They're both good.
     
    Anti said:
    You can replace Zapdos instead. It doesn't really make a difference.

    But yeah, that works. It also fills in as late-game sweeper, which SD Scizor would have filled (even though Salamence and Gyarados are both way better at that anyways). I'd use Salamence instead of Gyarados, but if Mamoswine worries you (and it does dent your team a bit), Gyarados is a better choice. Salamence is honestly a more effective sweeper, but everybody is Gyarados.

    In other words, use whichever one you want. They're both good.
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    I talked to someone else and he said I could try a Rock resist like Machamp/Breloom which could double as another physical attack. I choose Breloom and it works decently and also allows me to sleep something on the other team. I kinda wanna keep Dos though so I went ahead and replaced Togekiss. Was that a good move?

    I really prefer SD Scizor to CB Scizor for some reason. I like the freedom and really believe he needs it. After one SD I have ~700 attack and the freedom to choose Bullet Punch, Brick Break or even Roost if I feel the need to heal.
     
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    Latias is in the Uber Tier now
     
    Okay, two things. I think you're overestimating SD Scizor's sweeping ability. Sure, it's powerful, but due to that, almost every team carries a Rotom, ScarfTran, Zapdos, Gyarados, etc. The CB set CB can just switch out in and come in later to abuse Bullet Punch.

    I also don't see what Zapdos is doing for you. Heatran covers Scizor and you have a decent Fighting resist in Latias. Besides, Gyarados covers each of the categories well, and isn't Offensively Retarded.

    The team itself looks great, though.
     
    Archer said:
    Okay, two things. I think you're overestimating SD Scizor's sweeping ability. Sure, it's powerful, but due to that, almost every team carries a Rotom, ScarfTran, Zapdos, Gyarados, etc. The CB set CB can just switch out in and come in later to abuse Bullet Punch.

    I also don't see what Zapdos is doing for you. Heatran covers Scizor and you have a decent Fighting resist in Latias. Besides, Gyarados covers each of the categories well, and isn't Offensively Retarded.

    The team itself looks great, though.
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    Well a lot of stuff has things that can wall it but after those things die it can sweep teams and SD Scizor has that potential. I don't think I'm overestimating it really. I just don't like CB Scizor. I know how to work CB sets I've been playing competitive Pokemon for years I just dislike the CB set for whatever reason.

    So if you don't see what Zapdos is doing for me then what should I put in it's place?
     
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