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RMT- Hurricane in Miami

Funke

Elite Ludicolo Commander
    • 21
    Posts
    16
    Years
    • MD
    • Seen Oct 23, 2008
    My Water-Types Team. Starts with Rain Dancers, to walls such as Swampert to Phsyical Sweepers like Gyarados and stallers like Bibarel.


    Ludicolo @ Leftovers
    Swift Swim
    Modest- 252 SpDef/ 252 SpAtk/ 4 Def
    Rain Dance
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    Energy Ball

    My Lead. Can survive pretty much any other lead's attack since the types it's weak against
    are all pretty rarely used. So Rain Dance is always able to get off. Rain Danced surf does a TON of Neutral damage to everything that doesnt resist it. Ice Beam is for those Dragons/Grass Types/ Flying Types that may try to come in. Energy ball takes down those Bulky waters.

    Kingdra @ Leftovers
    Swift Swim
    Modest- 252 SpAtk/ 252 Speed/ 4 SpDef
    Rain Dance
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    Dragon Pulse

    My other Rain Dancer. His Surf does even more immense damage than Ludicolo's surf with rain dance. Kingdra's only weakness, dragon, is covered by Dragon Pulse and Ice Beam. But Icebeam is mainly for Grass Types that may come in to try to KO.

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Torrent
    Bold- 252 Def/252 SpDef/4 SpAtk
    Stealth Rock
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    Earthquake

    My First physical wall pokemon! Can switch in on incoming Tbolts, and Twaves most likely forcing a switch from blissey's and the like. Allowing myself to setup Stealth Rock. Then I can just icebeam any incoming grass types. Since Grass is Swampert's only weakness.

    Bibarel @ Leftovers
    Unaware
    Bold- 252 Def/252 Hp/4 SpDef
    Taunt
    Yawn
    Waterfall
    Super Fang

    My Staller/Blissey counter. I can just come in on Skarm/Bliss/Cress/Noir/Tomb/Suicune/Lax and taunt them and stop them from STalking/ crippling Blissey and Skarm most of the time. Forcing a switch. If I know there's a switch I can use Yawn to keep forcing switching and doing residual damage. If Bibarel becomes walled Super Fang takes 1/2 current hp. Down really low, then waterfall. This bibarel can survive a Jollychomp's EQ and take only 40% from it. To me, I think bibarel's are underrated cause this one is pretty essential.

    Gyarados @ Salac Berry
    intimidate
    Adamant- 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
    Dragon Dance
    Ice Fang
    Waterfall
    Earthquake

    Standard Dragon Dancing Gyarados. But, Once he's low on hp Salac berry increases his speed even further making him even faster and better at sweeping.


    Garchomp @ LifeOrb
    Sand Veil
    Naive- 252 SpAtk/ 252 Atk/ 4 Speed
    Surf
    Dragon Claw
    Earthquake
    Fireblast

    MixChomp! His surf is powered up by Rain Dance to hit pretty hard. Dragon Claw and Earthquake are for the Stab Coverage. Then, Fireblast is for those pesky breloom and other fire/steel/bug types that may try to come in.
     
    Um, why are you running fire Blast on Garchomp that relies on Rain to power up surf (which powers down fire Blast)? Also Swampert never forces blissey to switch, especially if it's a cool Blissey and has Toxic. Earthquake just...doesn't hurt.

    Ludi and Kingdra do exactly the same thing, you might as well replace one of them for some sort of walling power.

    Also Salac is a total waste on Gyarados. Speed isn't usually a problem, and when it is, Salac Berry won't be helping you because Thunderbolt will take you to OHKO land.

    Also I find it sad that for a team with all water types except Garchomp, your only Ice resistance has the defense of Gastly. Weavile shreds this team in two. your only real shot is gyarados, who can't even heal itself which means you can force Weavile to switch maybe once...

    Offensively decent, defensively challenged IMO.
     
    Umm, i stopped taking this seriously after a saw bibarel, dont get me wrong, its "ok", but really is it gonna beat Garchomp ?

    Jolly 252 att ev Garchomps EQ@life Orb

    Defender HP: 362
    Damage: 212 - 249
    Damage: 58.56% - 68.78%


    On your Bold 252 hp / 252 bold Bibarel.


    P.H.A.I.L, 2hko, id look for a better counter for chomp if i was you.
     
    Bibarel resists Ice and has max def and hp for a Bibarel.

    Ive used this team alot.
    it's like 32-1 now.
    I KO more pokemon with ludicolo than anyone else. Mainly because he can survive pretty much
    every hit that's thrown at him.
    And Ive always been able to kill Weaviles with no problem.

    Garchomp usually isnt coming in while there's rain. Usually it's swampert for absorbing twave.
    If he is, it's because of something that needs garchomp's speed over swampert's. Even then, most pokemon that are weak to fire blast, such as forry, arnt going to be pulling out garchomp in the rain. It's also why Kingdra and Ludicolo are without a damp rock.

    Umm, i stopped taking this seriously after a saw bibarel, dont get me wrong, its "ok", but really is it gonna beat Garchomp ?

    Jolly 252 att ev Garchomps EQ@life Orb

    Defender HP: 362
    Damage: 212 - 249
    Damage: 58.56% - 68.78%


    On your Bold 252 hp / 252 bold Bibarel.


    P.H.A.I.L, 2hko, id look for a better counter for chomp if i was you.
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    I wasnt noting it as a counter. I was noting it as defensively able. For yawning still forces switches
    bibarel has been my most effective pokemon on this team besides Ludicolo.
    Also, you'd a person like those I mentioned that underestimate Bibarel.
     
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    Funke said:
    Bibarel resists Ice and has max def and hp for a Bibarel.

    Ive used this team alot.
    it's like 32-1 now.
    I KO more pokemon with ludicolo than anyone else. Mainly because he can survive pretty much
    every hit that's thrown at him.
    And Ive always been able to kill Weaviles with no problem.

    Garchomp usually isnt coming in while there's rain. Usually it's swampert for absorbing twave.
    If he is, it's because of something that needs garchomp's speed over swampert's. Even then, most pokemon that are weak to fire blast, such as forry, arnt going to be pulling out garchomp in the rain. It's also why Kingdra and Ludicolo are without a damp rock.



    I wasnt noting it as a counter. I was noting it as defensively able. For yawning still forces switches
    bibarel has been my most effective pokemon on this team besides Ludicolo.
    Also, you'd a person like those I mentioned that underestimate Bibarel.
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    Errrmmm if you noticed, i said it was ok.


    this bibarel can survive a Jollychomp's EQ and take only 40% from it.
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    This is what i was referring to, it quite clearly doesnt take 40%, it gets dominated by EQ =/
     
    40% Is how much it takes, it takes less than half, expecially after leftovers. Making it a 3HKO.

    Anti-Pop is probably right on gyarados. I never really found a use for salac berry. It was more experimental than useful.
     
    Funke said:
    40% Is how much it takes, it takes less than half, expecially after leftovers. Making it a 3HKO.

    Anti-Pop is probably right on gyarados. I never really found a use for salac berry. It was more experimental than useful.
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    No, it doesnt take 40%


    Jolly 252 att ev Garchomps EQ@life Orb

    Defender HP: 362
    Damage: 212 - 249
    Damage: 58.56% - 68.78%


    On your Bold 252 hp / 252 bold Bibarel.

    its 2hko'd
     
    Garchomp's Ive Faced havn't done that much. As for that senario, you're right. But not all garchomps are like that. Some people use Dragon claw, which is less damage?
     
    Funke said:
    Garchomp's Ive Faced havn't done that much. As for that senario, you're right. But not all garchomps are like that. Some people use Dragon claw, which is less damage?
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    Probably because they dont have a Life Orb ? Any good chomp user will equip their Garchomp with a Life Orb however.

    Dragon Claw is less damage, your right, however Earthquake is still on its moveset, thats like saying Starmie walls weavile because it resists Ice Punch.

    As of now


    Garchomp@life Orb
    16 HP / 252 ATT / 240 SPEED
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw / Outrage
    - Fire Fang

    OR Worse


    Garchomp@Choice Band
    16 HP / 252 ATT / 240 SPEED
    Jolly Nature
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Fang
    - Dragon Claw / Stone Edge / Crunch



    These two sets OHKO/2HKO everything here.


    Needs more floaty steel types such as Bronzong IMO.
     
    Saying "when I faced it, I had no problem" says to me you just don't have any real argument/facts to back up that you aren't weak to whatever it is.

    specsmence can OHKO almost everything on this team and what isn't is 2HKOed. CBmence is equally terrifying and DDmence is pure doom. Weavile absolutely laughs at Bibarel.

    Before I go on, I will say Bibarel as your Ice Resist is a terrible idea. 79 base HP and 60 base defenses doesn't cut it. Its typing is the rteal dagger though. Almost everything with an ice move has an electric move to OHKO you. Weavile can Brick Break you to high heaven.

    Also, for a rain team, you get smoked by opposing Bulky Waters. Ludicolo is your only option against them, and Snorlax, Regice, and Blissey say hi.

    Honestly I have a very hard time believing this team is 32-1 considering it's a mono team (besides Garchomp, which does nothing anyways) and it has a lot of weaknesses.

    Garchomp absolutely decimates you too. Don't expect all Garchomps to be ones you can beat. With all these ice attacks you'd think Dragons wouldn't be as much of a problem. Nasty Plot Azelf also goes for a 6-0 sweep on your team. BP teams can also set up a pass ridiculously easily on this team.
     
    Sorry to move this thread back up.
    but yeah, I had a MAJOR problem with regiice yesterday.

    I need a suggestion for a pokemon that can take bibarel's Spot
    Im having trouble picking a pokemon that could take his spot.
    Preferably one that resists Ice and can come into blisseys.
    Something Bulky- Maybe Dusknoir or Jirachi who would resist
    pretty much all that my pokemon are weak to-

    My Jirachi- @ Leftovers
    Serene Grace
    (Don't remember nature/evs my ds is not with me. Recommendations anyone?)
    Twave
    Wish
    U-turn
    Zen Headbutt.

    It's served me well in the past.
    What do you guys think?
     
    Sweeper Jirachi beats blissey much more handily and is way more useful on top of that. I used it a lot in Advance and from what I know it still works fine in DP. CM/wish/Psychic/Thunder really screws up Blissey. You can also use Sub to protect your self from status.
     
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