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Loto said:
Alright so....I've never actually posted a team so I'll post one of my favorites so I can maybe get some help with it anyway. ;p

Moltres@Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
EVs : 6 HP 252 Sp. Att. 252 Speed ???
Ability: Pressure
-Overheat
-Air Slash
-U-Turn
-HP Ice / WoW

Alright my lead that I've used on many people and I really love this guy. I might put WoW over U-Turn for Gyarados leads but I'm not too sure yet. This guy hammers most used standard leads and hits them hard. Weavile, Infernape, Gengar, and many others are all OHKO'd unless sashed and he's just one of my favorites. ;)

Consider Will-o-Wisp. I don't know about the EV's, but otherwise...yay!

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP, 16 Atk, 136 Def, 144 Spd
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge

Pretty awesome version of Gyarados. The speed is useful to outpace Jolly TTar and those who try to outrun it. Really dangerous and more threatening than BulkyDos in my opinion.

You had the speed right, but the rest of the EV's should go along the lines of Bulkydos. Finally someone who doesn't use the awful Ice Fang/Earthquake. :D

Electivire@Life Orb
Nature: Mild
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Sp. Att. 76 Att. 176 Speed
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

Oh man do I love this guy. With Moltress and Gyara both boasting some electric weaknesses he has plenty of chances to come in and just start wreaking havoc. I love him as a wall breaker and he does his job well.

Meh, I don't much like it. You will need to check if it 2HKO's standard Blissey with Cross Chop, but otherwise...I still don't like it. :P

Forrestress@Lifeorb
Nature:Impish
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock / Spikes
-Earthquake
-Explosion

I really love him for setting up SR, Spinning and being my physical wall. Lucario may be a threat but Gyarados is here for a reason as well. I'm never really too sure about his moveset though, I was thinking of adding light screen and adding some Sp Def EV's as well but I'm unsure at the moment.

Good.

Lucario@Lifeorb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Extreme Speed / Bullet Punch
-Close Combat
-HP Ice / Crunch

Yes he has HP Ice and do you know why? Because I hate gliscors with a passion that try to wall me and with SR up it gets OHKO'd even with Adamant. I realize Ghosts wall me completely now but I think I can deal with that and if it gets to bothersome then I'll switch it back for Bullet Punch for Gengar.

I don't much like thinking of having HP ICE just for Gliscor, especially as Gengar is so much more common and does more damage.

Blissey@Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Ice Beam

Yeah standard pink blob. I use her for being a cleric which this team really needs and a special wall. I might switch out Ice Beam for T-Wave but Ice beams helped me out MANY times in the past so I'm unsure right now.

I suppose...


And there it is. Someone give me some suggestions. =o
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I see Mix-Ape weakness. I'm not fully awake now to give a full run-down, but yeah. Perhaps Starmie as your Rapid Spinner.

~T_S
 
Loto said:
Alright so....I've never actually posted a team so I'll post one of my favorites so I can maybe get some help with it anyway. ;p

Moltress@Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
EVs : 6 HP 252 Sp. Att. 252 Speed
Ability: Pressure
-Overheat
-Air Slash
-U-Turn
-HP Ice

Alright my lead that I've used on many people and I really love this guy. I might put WoW over U-Turn for Gyarados leads but I'm not too sure yet. This guy hammers most used standard leads and hits them hard. Weavile, Infernape, Gengar, and many others are all OHKO'd unless sashed and he's just one of my favorites. ;)

Good leave it. U turn better then WoW just because it hits weavile,absnoman,uxie,t-tar,etc hard and your able to get out to sub into you walls.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 176 HP / 144 Atk / 188 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge

Pretty awesome version of Gyarados. The speed is useful to outpace Jolly TTar and those who try to outrun it. Really dangerous and more threatening than BulkyDos in my opinion.

Listen to T.s on this one

Electivire@Life Orb
Nature: Mild
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Sp. Att. 76 Att. 176 Speed
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

Oh man do I love this guy. With Moltress and Gyara both boasting some electric weaknesses he has plenty of chances to come in and just start wreaking havoc. I love him as a wall breaker and he does his job well.

See this version a lot. Stick to smogon's Supper effective vire 13/17 type coverage. Least it can 1 hit k.o anooying bliss. Missmaguis even wall this guy and can Emo kill.

Forrestress@Lifeorb
Nature:Impish
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Explosion

I really love him for setting up SR, Spinning and being my physical wall. Lucario may be a threat but Gyarados is here for a reason as well. I'm never really too sure about his moveset though, I was thinking of adding light screen and adding some Sp Def EV's as well but I'm unsure at the moment.

hmm This is you call now. I would go with T-spikes because none of your other poke's cause Status so at least you could cause PSN spread. SR at the same time is to usefull it's really your call.

Lucario@Lifeorb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Extreme Speed
-Close Combat
-HP Ice

Yes he has HP Ice and do you know why? Because I hate gliscors with a passion that try to wall me and with SR up it gets OHKO'd even with Adamant. I realize Ghosts wall me completely now but I think I can deal with that and if it gets to bothersome then I'll switch it back for Bullet Punch for Gengar.

Bullet punch > Extreme speed.
Hp ice works well but lucario just to slow to use it effectively. Jolly Gliscor run at 317 spd which will outrun you and k.o you. Plus u have hp ice on your starter and on your spc.def wall.

Blissey@Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled/Wish
-Ice Beam

Yeah standard pink blob. I use her for being a cleric which this team really needs and a special wall. I might switch out Ice Beam for T-Wave but Ice beams helped me out MANY times in the past so I'm unsure right now.

Just hate Fatty. Empoleon,Magnium,Slowking,Hypno(wish one) are better walls in my opionion. Every team has a bliss counter. Leave ice beam for coverage Flamethrower works well to pwn other walls though




And there it is. Someone give me some suggestions. =o
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In all the team is solid 8/10 good job.
@t.s Gyara totally walls both stab atks of mixape. Just watch out they
might be carrying t-punch. If no mach punch Extreme spd should do its dmg
to nape.
 
Pokeflora if you read the rules suggesting a wall over blissey because you hate her is a STUPID thing to say. Without extreme speed I won't be able to OHKO things like Infernape, Azelf and such with lucario but I'll prob jsut go with standard Bullet punch of HP Ice.

Vires meant to be a wall breaker so he stays as is. The 13/17 can be walled very easily , trust me.

Also Most gliscors that switch into lucario won't be 317 speed, they'll be the 252 hp 252 def versions to wall me and ohko me with Eq after me doing 30-40% with CC after an SD in which case HP Ice would OHKO them.

I might run T-spikes over SR but I prefer SR for getting rid of all Sash users but I haven't seen to many sashes on wifi anymore so yeah I might change it to TS

Anyway thanks. ;p
 
Cant stop for a full rate, but Hasty or Naiive over Modest on Moltres if you plan on doing any damage at all with that un-boosted U-turn
 
Loto said:
Alright so....I've never actually posted a team so I'll post one of my favorites so I can maybe get some help with it anyway. ;p

Moltress@Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
EVs : 6 HP 252 Sp. Att. 252 Speed
Ability: Pressure
-Overheat
-Air Slash
-U-Turn
-HP Ice

Alright my lead that I've used on many people and I really love this guy. I might put WoW over U-Turn for Gyarados leads but I'm not too sure yet. This guy hammers most used standard leads and hits them hard. Weavile, Infernape, Gengar, and many others are all OHKO'd unless sashed and he's just one of my favorites. ;)

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 176 HP / 144 Atk / 188 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge

Pretty awesome version of Gyarados. The speed is useful to outpace Jolly TTar and those who try to outrun it. Really dangerous and more threatening than BulkyDos in my opinion.

Electivire@Life Orb
Nature: Mild
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 252 Sp. Att. 76 Att. 176 Speed
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

Oh man do I love this guy. With Moltress and Gyara both boasting some electric weaknesses he has plenty of chances to come in and just start wreaking havoc. I love him as a wall breaker and he does his job well.

Forrestress@Lifeorb
Nature:Impish
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Explosion

I really love him for setting up SR, Spinning and being my physical wall. Lucario may be a threat but Gyarados is here for a reason as well. I'm never really too sure about his moveset though, I was thinking of adding light screen and adding some Sp Def EV's as well but I'm unsure at the moment.

Lucario@Lifeorb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Extreme Speed
-Close Combat
-HP Ice

Yes he has HP Ice and do you know why? Because I hate gliscors with a passion that try to wall me and with SR up it gets OHKO'd even with Adamant. I realize Ghosts wall me completely now but I think I can deal with that and if it gets to bothersome then I'll switch it back for Bullet Punch for Gengar.

Blissey@Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP 252 Def 6 Sp Def.
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Ice Beam

Yeah standard pink blob. I use her for being a cleric which this team really needs and a special wall. I might switch out Ice Beam for T-Wave but Ice beams helped me out MANY times in the past so I'm unsure right now.




And there it is. Someone give me some suggestions. =o
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Life Orb Fire Blast/Ice Beam/Stone Edge/Earthquake T-Tar weak =), it commonly has an Agility passed to it aswell. Also you seem to be extremely Nasty Plot Togekiss, Metal Sound/Taunt Heatran weak, Ironically your also Weak to that exact same e-vire, and whats worse DD Tar and CB Tar and other Gyarados run all over you, Moltres is your only answer to SD Garchomp via revenge killing it (which is really bad)..... Solving most of those problems = Swampert. Gyarados weak needs sorting though....

Bold blissey sucks, seriously, Azelf, heatran meat !!!!! 40 hp / 252 def / 216 sp.def @Calm plesh You also kinda need T-Wave if you wish to not to get dominated by sweepers. You have enough Ice coverage already.


Also i hope Life Orb forry was a Typo. I also hope Explosion was a Typo, Rest noaw !!!

Lucario kinda needs Lonely and a few sp.att evs if gliscor is to be ohko'd. Hmm, id prefer Crunch on luke tbh for this team, it cant seem to do anything to Cresselia =/.
 
I disagree, Bold Blissey is fine as long as it has adequate SDef.

Anyways, Saying Hypno is a better wall than Blissey is rubbish. I love Hypno and HATE blissey and I wouldn't even say that.

And Dark_Azelf is right, you need Crunch on Lucario or Cress walls this team really badly.
 
Anti-Pop said:
I disagree, Bold Blissey is fine as long as it has adequate SDef.

Anyways, Saying Hypno is a better wall than Blissey is rubbish. I love Hypno and HATE blissey and I wouldn't even say that.

And Dark_Azelf is right, you need Crunch on Lucario or Cress walls this team really badly.
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I just hate Bold bliss, getting 2HKO'd by Specs Gar, Azelf, heatran and Porygon-z isnt really the greatest thing to happen =[


Hypno, Empoleon etc ? They are good, but i really dont thing they can compete with the best special wall in the game.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Life Orb Fire Blast/Ice Beam/Stone Edge/Earthquake T-Tar weak =), it commonly has an Agility passed to it aswell. Also you seem to be extremely Nasty Plot Togekiss, Metal Sound/Taunt Heatran weak, Ironically your also Weak to that exact same e-vire, and whats worse DD Tar and CB Tar and other Gyarados run all over you, Moltres is your only answer to SD Garchomp via revenge killing it (which is really bad)..... Solving most of those problems = Swampert. Gyarados weak needs sorting though....

Bold blissey sucks, seriously, Azelf, heatran meat !!!!! 40 hp / 252 def / 216 sp.def @Calm plesh You also kinda need T-Wave if you wish to not to get dominated by sweepers. You have enough Ice coverage already.


Also i hope Life Orb forry was a Typo. I also hope Explosion was a Typo, Rest noaw !!!

Lucario kinda needs Lonely and a few sp.att evs if gliscor is to be ohko'd. Hmm, id prefer Crunch on luke tbh for this team, it cant seem to do anything to Cresselia =/.
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Yeah Lifeorb was a typo, lolz. Also changed Explosion to Rest your right works very well with Blissey anyway.

Also my Gyarados makes for a great gyara counter coming in even though it's not the best thing to rely on.

Also if I were to add Swampert I really don't know who I would remove for it. Suggestions? ;p

Crunch also added on lucario after seeing my Cress weakness.

Oh and T_S, Moltress makes for a fine Infernape counter. =o
 
Loto said:
Yeah Lifeorb was a typo, lolz. Also changed Explosion to Rest your right works very well with Blissey anyway.

Also my Gyarados makes for a great gyara counter coming in even though it's not the best thing to rely on.

Also if I were to add Swampert I really don't know who I would remove for it. Suggestions? ;p

Crunch also added on lucario after seeing my Cress weakness.

Oh and T_S, Moltress makes for a fine Infernape counter. =o
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Swampy >> Vire IMO



Swampert@Leftovers
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Hydro pump
- Earthquake
- ice Beam
- Hidden power Electric << In your case this would be nice for taking out Gyaraodos.


This actually beats up walls pretty well aswell, 2hko's Forry, Weezing and Skarm with H-Pump.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Swampy >> Vire IMO



Swampert@Leftovers
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Hydro pump
- Earthquake
- ice Beam
- Hidden power Electric << In your case this would be nice for taking out Gyaraodos.


This actually beats up walls pretty well aswell, 2hko's Forry, Weezing and Skarm with H-Pump.
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Would adding Roar to the set help out as well maybe?

And thanks I'll try him out over Vire, he's got electric immunity anyway so I won't have too worry too much about that weakness.
 
Loto said:
Would adding Roar to the set help out as well maybe?

And thanks I'll try him out over Vire, he's got electric immunity anyway so I won't have too worry too much about that weakness.
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yep Roar can work in that last slot, i just suggested HP Electric as you dont have a "solid" Gyarados counter.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
yep Roar can work in that last slot, i just suggested HP Electric as you dont have a "solid" Gyarados counter.
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Well Gyara is MUCH more common so I'll do with HP Electric and if I wanna try out Roar I'll do so later.

Anyway thanks.
 
Gyarados counters Gyarados...seriously, if you EV it right. Honestly HP electric on Swampert is total garbage. It only helps for one poekmon and Swampert takes a ton of damage in the process to where it's useless.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Gyarados counters Gyarados...seriously, if you EV it right. Honestly HP electric on Swampert is total garbage. It only helps for one poekmon and Swampert takes a ton of damage in the process to where it's useless.
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Yeah and you have no clue how many times I've missed a Stone Edge on him and it's gotten me killed, it counters but it's not the most reliable counter.

I'll go with Roar for now and if it doesn't work out I'll change it to HP Electric.
 
Honestly if roar on swampert isn't your kind of thing or you want HP electric, I would honestly replace Swampert in general for something like suicune who can CM and make HP Electric more useful outside of gyarados slaying.
 
I'll be 3x Electric weak if I do that you know.

I'm fine with running Roar on him and it's what I'll do. ;p
 
Well you have Motor Drive Electivire waiting in the wings, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

EDIT: sorry, missed the "this can be locked" part >.>
 
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