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Cut Rotom isn't that great. Running a move for a single threat that is neither hugely common nor terribly threatening isn't very economical. Aside from the fact that Swamperts lead 90% of the time, so you have to switch in and give it a free chance to SR and switch in one of the many Grass Resists. It's not too sharp on a ResTalker either, is it? I would run Wash/Spin/Heat. Wash/Heat may are great because you can bluff your way into forcing out Scizor, Heatran, etc - even if you don't run the move. Spin has decent coverage and can be great with paralysis support from Discharge. Doesn't acheive much, though.

I say run Heatom with Discharge/HP Ice. I mean, FreezeTom with Blizzard works great with Hail support, but otherwise, it's too unreliable.
*Waits for Vance/D_A/Anti to tell me why I'm wrong...*
 
Cut Rotom isn't that great. Running a move for a single threat that is neither hugely common nor terribly threatening isn't very economical. Aside from the fact that Swamperts lead 90% of the time, so you have to switch in and give it a free chance to SR and switch in one of the many Grass Resists. It's not too sharp on a ResTalker either, is it? I would run Wash/Spin/Heat. Wash/Heat may are great because you can bluff your way into forcing out Scizor, Heatran, etc - even if you don't run the move. Spin has decent coverage and can be great with paralysis support from Discharge. Doesn't acheive much, though.

I say run Heatom with Discharge/HP Ice. I mean, FreezeTom with Blizzard works great with Hail support, but otherwise, it's too unreliable.
*Waits for Vance/D_A/Anti to tell me why I'm wrong...*
Ok, I will change it to a Heatom, and do your set. I understand why Heatom over powers most! ;)
 
I can definitely see CBTar giving you some problems here with Skarmory as your only "true" defense, and Stone Edge's crit chance can easily ruin that.

Throwing Reflect in somewhere can solve problems for some time, but I'm unsure. I'll let someone who has been helping modify the team give you a solution. I just point it out.
 
I can definitely see CBTar giving you some problems here with Skarmory as your only "true" defense, and Stone Edge's crit chance can easily ruin that.

Throwing Reflect in somewhere can solve problems for some time, but I'm unsure. I'll let someone who has been helping modify the team give you a solution. I just point it out.
Hmm... I was thinking of a Reflect Rotom-Heat... But, then I need a Status Absorber, although Tentacruel could Surf it out if it doesn't get OHKOed... And you do have to count SR... I can always W-o-W him with Arcanine, he might get OHKOed since it is CBed, then I can switch in either Tentacruel to do the job. Also, I could TWave him with Porygon2, and attack him with either Arcanine (HP), Tentacruel, and some others... But, thanks for spotting that out!
 
Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.

I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Def / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk
 
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I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Spe / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.

For the record, 252 HP / 104 Def Metagross cannot be 2HKOd by Crunch or OHKOd by Earthquake. Meteor Mash on the other hand, OHKOs Max HP TTar. It's not that unreliable.
 
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Well, running with the stall element, you've only got a few options for TTar. ResTalk Machamp/Hariyama or Reflegross - Like CB Gross but with Leftovers and Reflect. Same EVs, although you can run it bulkier if you wish.
Hmm... *Looks below*
I'd like to be the first to say DON'T USE METAGROSS AS YOUR TYRANITAR COUNTER. DO NOT. Machamp is a great answer to Snorlax, Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, etc...

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 Spe / 4 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch / Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk
Wait? I those 216 Spe EVs for Def instead, if not, then he will not survive a single hit from Tyranitar, unless a few. Other than that, and I can switch bak to him!
I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.
Although, since Tyranitar is a bit bulky, and Machamp's EVs are not solely for Attack, it might not OHKO, but maybe 2HKO... Yeah, I was wondering what those EVs were for... BTW, thanks for more posts! ;)
 
I said it could deal with it. Bullet Punch makes short work of it. I realise it can't take too many Crunches/EQs/Fire Punches. Don't you mean 216 Def on that Machamp? Otherwise it won't do any better than Gross.

Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.
 
Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.
Yeah, I knew it had to be Defense EVs. Oh, I was right, Bullet Punch doesn't do much either way!
 
Yes, 216 Def, obvious typo. And LOL @ "Bullet Punch makes short work of it". If you want a Defensive Metagross, I assume you're using 252 HP / 234 Def / 12 Spe <--- ?

306 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 25.74%-31.19%

Sure is making short work of TTar. Even if you run MAX Attack, the results aren't "making short work of him".

405 Atk Bullet Punch vs. Max HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 34.16%-40.59%

Who even runs BP on a Reflect Metagross? Anyway, get your facts straight before suggesting something to counter something.
CB Bullet Punch 2HKOs DDTar. The CB Set can be outpaced with 12 Spd and both are OHKOd with Meteor Mash.

This has to assume that Metagross is switched in on a Crunch. It only requires a little prediction to see whether you're going to take a Crunch or Stone Edge. If you can see a Crunch coming, switch in Skarm. I never actually said it was a "counter". It is shakey, an you'd have to tweak it, but it could work. I'll admit Bullet Punch was a stupid suggestion.

On another note, what's Hariyama like for dealing with TTar? It gets decent support options...
 
CB Bullet Punch 2HKOs DDTar. The CB Set can be outpaced with 12 Spd and both are OHKOd with Meteor Mash.

This has to assume that Metagross is switched in on a Crunch. It only requires a little prediction to see whether you're going to take a Crunch or Stone Edge. If you can see a Crunch coming, switch in Skarm. I never actually said it was a "counter". It is shakey, an you'd have to tweak it, but it could work. I'll admit Bullet Punch was a stupid suggestion.

On another note, what's Hariyama like for dealing with TTar? It gets decent support options...

It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.
 
Eh, CB on a Stall team isn't great, in my opinion... I think Machamp can just switch in on a Crunch, and plus with Wish support, he can take the damage. IDK if he will outspeed Tyranitar (which may not with 4 Spe EVs), he can still take a hit since he is physical wall based, and hit with a Dynamic Punch to OHKO. Hariyama is a option over Machamp, although he seems just a lower based Machamp... Here is a Rest Talk set that absorbs status:

Hariyama (M)
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Impish
EVs: 76 HP/ 180 Atk/ 252 Def
Moveset:
~ Ice Punch
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Cross Chop/ Force Palm

Also, Metagross could fit in my team nicely if he is a Scarf Tricker?
 
It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.
Okay, I'll admit that I was wrong in suggesting Reflegross, but CBGross is indeed a check, albeit not perfect. It won't fit in the team well, though.

Consider Hariyama, then as you have Paralysis support with Force Palm and the option to run Thick Fat. Rest / Sleep Talk / Force Palm / Ice Punch would be the set to run, but Machamp is fine. For the record, Stone Edge may have 8 PP, but it won't lose PP when selected by Sleep Talk, so keep that in mind.
 
It's a check if all else, and therefore you might as well be using CB Metagross, since it does the EXACT same thing but also isn't useless as hell outside of them. Hariyama is also the best TTar counter in the game btw.
Yeah, I might stick with Machamp.
Okay, I'll admit that I was wrong in suggesting Reflegross, but CBGross is indeed a check, albeit not perfect. It won't fit in the team well, though.

Consider Hariyama, then as you have Paralysis support with Force Palm and the option to run Thick Fat. Rest / Sleep Talk / Force Palm / Ice Punch would be the set to run, but Machamp is fine. For the record, Stone Edge may have 8 PP, but it won't lose PP when selected by Sleep Talk, so keep that in mind.
Yeah, I already have TWave on P2, so it will almost be the same as Machamp... Machamp also gives Confusion support also, and yes, but I did a battle with one, and I ran out of PP quick with Sleep Talk...

Also, everyone, I think my team needs a Perish Songer as D_A said, it will get rid of Suicune once they are down to one Pokemon (like the looooooooooooooooooooooooooong battle against a Stockpile Rest Talk Swalot, which surprisingly good), and I have two Pokemon... And also causes a switch eventually. Here was a battle log if you are interested in skimming through about the looooong battle...:
Spoiler:
. :D
 
Note to self. Never open that spoiler again....Ever.
Perish Song is a really limited move. Probably the only viable users in OU are Celebi and maybe Mismagius/Politoed. Celebi is great on a stall team, giving Cleric support as well as Reflect support if you need it. I don't see where you'll fit it in, though.
XD Yeah, it is the loooooooooooooooongest battle I ever did! Celebi was what I was thinking... I could take out Blissey and put in Celebi with this:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Calm
252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe
~ Psychic
~ Perish Song
~ Leech Seed
~ Heal Bell

Although, I miss my Wish support............
OR

Celebi @ Leftovers
Calm
252 HP/ 220 SpD/ 36 Spe
~ U-turn
~ Perish Song
~ Grass Knot
~ Recover

Except this seems a bit bad since I have no Cleric or Wish support... Usually I have Def EVs, but SpD EVs since I have mostly physical walls...
 
Sorry, Celebi isn't going to be replacing Blissey anytime soon. Its typing makes it a poor Special Wall. Ghost, Dark, Fire, Ice... Shall I stop there? That's why I said it'll be a pain to fit in.
I agree on that as I put many ... in it! lol Even though it helps with my Electric weak, I think it shouldn't be replaced... And Seismic Toss Blissey does the job good also! ;)
 
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