Sandstorm Team

[Ooka]

Well, I don't feel like posting a really long post so I'm going to just list the pokemon I would plan on using and if anyone is interested, I'll post the evs and movesets I was thinking of.

Tyranniboah(lead=special/physical tank)
Cradily(special Wall)=especially with sandstorm boost
Chainchomp(special/physical sweeper)
Hippowdon(physical wall)
Claydol(spinner/special attacker)
Slowbro-to protect my Infernape weakness(physical wall/CMer/special attacker)

 

[sims796]

I am very sorry Kazaam, and you know I'm not a noob, but I never knew...

What is Tyranniboah?

 

[Ooka]

This:

Tyranniboah
Quiet~252 HP/68 Speed/188 Special attack
Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
Dark Pulse

 

[Dark Azelf]

I am very sorry Kazaam, and you know I'm not a noob, but I never knew...

What is Tyranniboah?

Tyranitar@leftovers
Rash/Quiet nature
252 HP / 190 SP.ATT /68 ATT with Rash OR 68 Speed with Quiet
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt /Flamethrower
- Focus Punch
- Substitutes
- Dark Pulse / Crunch


Anti - Walls makes 101 HP Substitutes, so Blissey cant break them with one Seismic Toss, Rips Skarmory to pieces, annihilates Cresselia and Dusknoir, ok you get the point now lol


EDIT:Kazaam beat me to it.


Also could ya post movesets and ev spreads if its not too much trouble, as we can rate it better? Otherwise there isnt much to rate, but id say it looks good so far.

 

[Ooka]

Alright, I'll be editing this post, also, Crunch was 3rd gen, it's no a special attack anymore.

Tyranniboah@Leftovers
Quiet~252 HP/68 Speed/188 Special attack
Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
Dark Pulse

Cradily@Leftovers
Calm~252 HP/Special Defense
Barrier/Stockpile
Recover
Sword Dance/Energy Ball
Rock Slide/Sludge Bomb

ChainChomp@Life Orb
Naughty~16 Atk / 240 Spd / 252 SpAtk
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast

Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish~252 HP/Defense
Slack Off
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Stealth Rock

Claydol@Leftovers
Calm~252 HP/144 Special Defense/114 DDefense
Rapid Spin
Earthquake(supprise Blissey STAB)
Ice Beam
Toxic/Psychic

Slowbro@Leftovers
Bold~252 HP/Defense
Slack Off
Surf
Psychic
Calm Mind

 

[Faceless*]

It looks pretty good, but it's just a tiny bit Gengar weak since it has Hypnosis

 

[Ooka]

Um, I always run with sleep clause so I would just switch out.

So what do you guys think?

 

[Faceless*]

That's the thing, you switch into Cradily, they'll sleep you

If you're thinking the opposite, you switch in something else, that sleeps, then Cradily switches in, and when THAT's predicted, they'll switch out into something threatening. Slowbro's more of a physical wall, it won't be able to completely wall Focus Sash Infernape with Grass Knot.

 

[Ooka]

I'm not looking at how many pokemon it can't counter Name, of course you can find the few that it won't, but that doesn't bother me.

 

[Faceless*]

Gliscor can really help you, it covers Cradily's Fighting Weakness + Tyranitar's fighting weakness. You could replace Hippowdon for it.

 

[Ooka]

Well, I personally like Hippowdon over Gliscor.

 

[Faceless*]

That's fine if that's what you would like

 

[Dark Azelf]

Alright, I'll be editing this post, also, Crunch was 3rd gen, it's no a special attack anymore.

Tyranniboah@Leftovers
Quiet~252 HP/68 Speed/188 Special attack
Substitute
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt/Ice Beam / Flamethrower
Dark Pulse / Crunch

The reason i put Crunch is that Calm Mind Cresselia causes this a bit of Trouble, you may want to consider Flamethrower for Heracross/Metagross and Bronzong. However its your call.


Cradily@Leftovers
Careful~252hp/164def/92sdef
Stealth Rock / Earthquake
Recover
Rock Slide
Sludge Bomb /Toxic

ChainChomp@Life Orb
Naughty~16 Atk / 240 Spd / 252 SpAtk
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Draco Meteor
Fire Blast

Standard, you can also go with Hasty/Naive on this just to give it that little extra speed

Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish~252 HP/Defense
Slack Off
Ice Fang /Thunderfang
Earthquake
Stealth Rock / Curse

I prefer thunderfang, so you dont get Tauanted by Gyarados and fully walled by Bronzong


Claydol@Leftovers
Relaxed~252 HP/144 Special Defense/114 DDefense
Rapid Spin
Earthquake(supprise Blissey STAB)
Ice Beam
Toxic/Psychic/Explosion

Slowbro@Leftovers
Bold~252 HP/Defense
Slack Off
Surf
Psychic / Ice Beam
Calm Mind

This is deadly after a few Calm Minds

yeah it looks good, just a few changes here and there and ive left some open for you to decide.

 

[Ooka]

I'm sticking with my sets, I respect your opinion but all those changes you made only makes my team weaker to infernape or Gengar.

 

[Faceless*]

Then is there a point to posting you RMT? XD

 

[Ooka]

Well, I didn't say I wasn't open for changes, I just didn't particularly like the ones he gave me. Oh, and rate my team means you would rate it from 1-10.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I'm sticking with my sets, I respect your opinion but all those changes you made only makes my team weaker to infernape or Gengar.

Thats the problem with weather teams, is that they often all have the same common weakness. Also i changed about two or 3 moves altogether (Apart from Cradilly to the standard for a Sandstorm team) which wont influence the type weakness or to a certain pokemon that you have.

Although its your call. I also dont understand how i actually made it weaker when you already had a weakness to Gengar and Infernape as Name pointed out. If anything i made sure you dont have another weakness to Taunt Ice Fang EQ and DD Gyarados by putting Thunderfang on Hippowdon.

 

[Ooka]

Reason being is you took lots of Special defense off of Cradily, which somewhat walls both of those.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Reason being is you took lots of Special defense off of Cradily, which somewhat walls both of those.

Yes because it needs defense for dual walling and it already gets that 50% Sandstream Boost. Its max with Careful nature and 96 EVS is 301 PLUS sand stream which is 451 which letting it take a Salamence Draco Meteor as well as other things, and completely Recover off the damage, and live another day. It doesn't "somewhat wall these either", even with all the Special defense in the world its not going to survive more than a couple of Focus Blasts from Gengar and Mixed Infernape kills it with Close Combat. Max Hp and Sp.Def if you wish it to be a pure special wall, but leaving you with pitiful Def.

You may want to consider another special wall that doesnt actually add to your weakness. Dusknoir maybe and it walls Infernapes Close Combat infact all infernapes attacks unless is has Nasty Plot or Swords Dance, OHKO'S Gengar with Shadow Sneak (Without Focus Sash) but yeah Stealth Rock and Shadow Sneak = no more Gengar Problem.

At the end of the day its your team, so choose what you want.

 

[Samson]

for Tyraniboah, i like subpunch/flamethrower/crunch w/ Rash nature, less than max HP (preferably 156 HP). if you want your current tyraniboah to work, you have to give it max HP with flawless HP IVs, which is a difficult task. otherwise, you can give ttar more attack evs AND sp attack evs so that you can hit blissey with one focus punch and finish it off with Crunch. also, if you give Ttar more atk evs, he's really gonna hurt Infernape with Focus Punch (and if Infernape uses Close Combat, may even KO infernape after Sandstorm damage.

and i'm sure you're thinking: but Gyara will raep to pieces without Tbolt. actually, with Sandstream + a good chunk of atk evs, Gyara is not going to like getting hit with Crunch. it'll use DD the first turns, gets hit with crunch and then sand damage. then it'll use waterfall, breaks ttar's sub, and then gets hit with crunch again, leaving it with around 30-40% HP left (after Intimidate). then switch in Slowbro to take the hit.

for your usage of Slowbro, i highly suggest the following moveset:

Slowbro @ Choice Specs
Bold Nature
Ability: Own Tempo
252 HP/196 DEF/60 SP ATK
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Psychic/Flamethrower/Slack Off

it's not going to have much time to stall with Sandstream basically making leftovers useless, so it's better for it to just come in, and KO Gyara with Grass Knot.

also good for Machamp, who annoyingly gets away with confusing everything.