Scott Brown (R) Wins Massachusetts Senate Race

[FreakyLocz14]

At least now we no longer have to fear socialized medicine in this nation thank God!

 

[Captain Hobo.]

I am so happy that he won. Massachusetts is such a blue state. Eat that Obama.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I am so happy that he won. Massachusetts is such a blue state. Eat that Obama.

I agree.

Have you read what they're putting into that health bill?
They're forcing people to get medical coverage or they would face criminal prosecution!
I mean having medical coverage is a good thing but if you excercise your right not to spend your money on it then why should you face charges?

We have Medicaid for the poor and Medicare for the retired and disabled.
The issue of making it a crime not to have care lies in people who don't qualify for social programs yet can't afford private care.
As you can see the Obama/Dem plan really is tailored to the corporations and is nothing like Went and other pro-socialized medicine people want it to be.

Even as a conservative I would support a public option if we make sure that only those with no other options are taking it and we keep them reliant on the government as little as possible.

 

[Jordan]

But you are right, the second half of the last Century caused a great change in the views of both sides of the ocean, moving the centre to the right in the US (being the opposite to the USSR) and to the left in Europe (as a response to the far-right dictatorships that caused WWII).

Just a little quibble here about the far-right dictatorships causing a leftist shift in the European economic spectrum. Technically, dictatorships are far-right on the social scale rather than economic scale. The Nazi Party and Mussolini's regime are safely centre to centre-left on economic issues. More or less, European economics haven't changed too much; most countries considered leftist by American standards have mix-market economies (ex. Denmark) and remain safely centrist economically. In fact, they probably moved to the right in most countries that didn't have fascist dictatorships (which make up the majority of Europe I might add).

Anywho, what's done is done. It'll be interesting to see how Brown's re-election will fare. I highly doubt his right-wingism will last him long.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Just a little quibble here about the far-right dictatorships causing a leftist shift in the European economic spectrum. Technically, dictatorships are far-right on the social scale rather than economic scale. The Nazi Party and Mussolini's regime are safely centre to centre-left on economic issues. More or less, European economics haven't changed too much; most countries considered leftist by American standards have mix-market economies (ex. Denmark) and remain safely centrist economically. In fact, they probably moved to the right in most countries that didn't have fascist dictatorships (which make up the majority of Europe I might add).

Anywho, what's done is done. It'll be interesting to see how Brown's re-election will fare. I highly doubt his right-wingism will last him long.

By Eurpoean standards those nations are center-left. By American standards they are far-left.

The United States is a right-wing system economically that practices capitalism with the only socialism being public welfare benefits and safety/ethics regulations, even the Postal Service has competition in FedEx and similar corporations; but for the most part the economy is free-market. Taxes tend to be lower with the lower-class almost not paying any taxes seeing as most welfare benefits are tax exempt.

Brown may have a good chance of getting re-elected. Election trends show that when one party is in the White House, voters tend to support the opposite party for seats in Congress. Perhaps this is to make sure that Congressional approval of Presidential policies isn't simply a formality like it is now. We don't tend to like a single party controlling both branches of government.

 

[Mario The World Champion]

I am so happy that he won. Massachusetts is such a blue state. Eat that Obama.

Brown better start thanking all the Independent voters who voted for him. After looking back at it, I REALLY DON'T want this bill to pass, mainly because I could go to jail for denying having health insurance or can't get any due to being unemployed. THAT is my main gripe about the whole health insurance bullcrap.

If they don't scrap that option, I might as well go to England.

 

[Netto Azure]

At least now we no longer have to fear socialized medicine in this nation thank God!

I laugh at the fact that Republicans are defending Medicare.

Brown better start thanking all the Independent voters who voted for him. After looking back at it, I REALLY DON'T want this bill to pass, mainly because I could go to jail for denying having health insurance or can't get any due to being unemployed. THAT is my main gripe about the whole health insurance bullcrap.

If they don't scrap that option, I might as well go to England.

Wait don't you guys already have what will be national (or state-based if the Senate Bill is the basis) insurance exchange?

And the subsidy for getting one in the exchange is up to 400% above the Federal Poverty Line (About $72,000 a year) so...you still won't take it?

Plus isn't the Medicaid program going to be expanded to 133% (Or 155% under the House bill) which would be about $21000 income a year in the plan? :/

Here: https://www.kff.org/healthreform/sidebyside.cfm

 

[Lucy Lu]

I am glad he won, maybe he has an idea that will stop the fighting of this health care business. These town hall meetings sure helped, because everyone is getting tired of being pushed around. They have enough of the government controlling them. Everyone should be allowed to get whatever they can afford. If they can't get health insurance because of unemployment or don't qualify...who's fault is that?! Make health insurance affordable and easier to get. Don't make it hard for everyone.

I have it easy because I have a job and it has health care. I use Blue Cross and Blue Shields. The one thing I was worried about that I might have to pay over $30 a week. It will be deducted out of my paycheck (right now I pay $21 a week). I just don't want to pay high health care. I really don't want to pay over $100 of medicine. x.x

Obama and the Democrats are not making it easier. I hope Brown will make it easy.

 

[Mario The World Champion]

Here's what I hate about the health insurance law we have here in Masachusetts. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT!! Or if you don't you'll face a fine when you file your state taxes. I'm STILL unemployed meaning I don't have insurance. What about the other people like me who don't have jobs AND can't get any insurance?

If they pass that law and it requires Americans to get health insurance regardless of if you got a job or not, I'm going to move to England and born an American flag when I get there.

 

[Lucy Lu]

That is dumb. It shouldn't be like that. If you can't have health insurance yet, you can't have it. I wish they didn't need to force you to get it. And if you don't you will have to pay a fine. That isn't fair. This is why I wish Obama and the rest of his administration can do something about the unemployment crisis. They should work on that first before health care. But nope...oh well. Hopefully Brown will be able to do something. I am glad your state finally stepped it up and voted a Republican.

If Obama fixed the unemployment crisis, then everyone will have a job. Maybe...his health care bill would have worked then. But for right now it doesn't work!

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Here's what I hate about the health insurance law we have here in Masachusetts. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT!! Or if you don't you'll face a fine when you file your state taxes. I'm STILL unemployed meaning I don't have insurance. What about the other people like me who don't have jobs AND can't get any insurance?

If they pass that law and it requires Americans to get health insurance regardless of if you got a job or not, I'm going to move to England and born an American flag when I get there.

Have they brought this up in the Supreme Court yet?

 

[Metatron]

Scott brown is a douche.

He ran the exact same campaign Sarah Palin did "derp-de-derr, I'm just a regular jackoff, not a Washington elitist. I drive a pickup truck, rofl."

Yes, he drives a pickup truck, although what most of his supporters weren't aware of the 5 properties he owns. He was elected because of his views on healthcare reform, which is already dead anyways. Whatever democrats are able to pass at this point, if anything, will be merely a shadow of what this country needs.

Martha Coakley, although a far superior candidate, ran a terrible campaign. Voters weren't persuaded to vote for brown because of his views on social issues; he was voted on because of his charisma, which Martha Coakley...didn't have.

 

[Bay]

Have they brought this up in the Supreme Court yet?

Even though I'm a bit wha? that the bill (supposedly) will force everyone to get coverage whether you have a job or not, not exactly sure if that the judges there should take a look at it considering the bill isn't done yet, the last time I heard. Usually the Supreme Court looks at laws that has been passed already and will look through it for credibility if someone or a group of people challenged it.

I'm with Lucy that I too hope Brown will do something about this. The politicians have been fighting over this bill long enough. :< If the bill does force everyone to get one whether job or no job, I think I'll be quite angry. I'll be graduating in June and with the future state of the economy not known yet, not sure when I'll get a job. Also, I got student loans to pay off, which also says I have to pay, whether I'm employed or not. The grace period from the student loans is nice, but let's see how the bill goes. >.> I'm all for everyone getting health coverage, but there has to be better ways when dealing with the unemployed.