Shipping Debates

[Master Trainer Empoleon]

Heh, dont forget about the few Pearlshipping hints either :)

Originally posted by Bulbapedia
In Dawn of a New Era, Dawn felt that Ash didn't respect or acknowledge her and both argued with each other through out most of the episode, so she challenged Nando to a battle hoping to make Ash realize how good she was as a trainer, and in the end after Nando managed to explain to them that there was no reason to argue both apologized to one another and exchanged a few very sentimental words thus strengthening their new friendship.

In Setting the World on its Buneary, Dawn was having a bad hair day and had her Piplup fix her hair. Before fixing her hair, she refused to let Ash see her for fear of having him judge her, or that she was simply being self-conscious. She also asked Ash afterwards if he would like his done too.

In Mounting a Coordinator Assault, Dawn commented on how awesome Ash looked when making his appeal in the Jubilife Contest.

In O'er the Rampardos we Watched, Dawn donned on a cute cheerleading outfit and she and her Pokémon began cheering and dancing for Ash to win and thus giving him the confidence to earn his first gym badge in Sinnoh. This is a first since neither Misty nor May ever went to such lengths in any of Ash's battles; they usually sat at the side lines discussing if he would win, though they would usually throw him a few cheers.

In One Big Happiny Family! Dawn copied Ash on saying her name then her hometown when introducing herself. It might show a form of admiration.

In DP062, Dawn was crying about her recent contest failure. When Ash approached her, she didn't want him to worry about it and played along with his assumption that she had dirt in her eyes.

In DP068 Dawn cheers Ash again with more dancing for his Pokémon Battle against Maylene

In Settling a Not-So-Old Score!, Ash calmed her nerves down after she had made what she thought was a bad appeal, and even used her frequent catchphrase "No need to worry!" (Japanese: "Daijōbu!") to console her.

In the movie The Rise of Darkrai, Ash tried to save Dawn from falling off the basket. Whether it was a reaction or not, Ash wanted to save her.
In DP061, Ash is deeply saddened when Dawn loses in the appeal round for the second time.

In DP062, Ash was really worried for Dawn when she was crying and assumed that she had dirt in her eyes, though she was really upset about her recent contest loss.


Ash and Dawn exchanging a high five.Dawn's Buneary seems to have a crush on Ash's Pikachu, this could be a sign that Dawn may have a crush on Ash since Professor Oak and Brock have said in the past that Pokémon represent the feelings of their masters, and when two Pokémon fall in love, there is a good chance the trainers will too. However, some can point out that Buneary developed this crush before Dawn caught it.

In Settling a Not-So-Old Score, Kenny seemed jealous of Ash and Dawn being together.
While Dawn battled a revived Aerodactyl in Wild in the Streets! Ash was fascinated with Piplup and Buneary's new dodging tactic that he asked Dawn to help him practice for his rematch. He then had Pikachu, Aipom, and Turtwig use them in O'er the Rampardos We Watched in his rematch with Roark, again in Getting the Pre-Contest Titters in his match against Kenny, and a few other times since, the tactic becoming a regular (if not frequent) feature in Ash's strategy.

Ash and Dawn are often seen exchanging high fives whenever one of them accomplishes something, which might possibly portray a deep friendship, as Ash has rarely ever given a high five to anyone else on the show.

Like Misty and May, Ash's Pikachu also destroyed Dawn's bike. However unlike the first two girls, she never once pestered him about it, not even mentioning it until Cycling Road several episodes later.

Ash and Dawn usually aren't there without one another.

Ash and Dawn are the only main characters to trade Pokémon with each other: Ash's Aipom for Dawn's Buizel

 

[Unforgettable]

Heh, dont forget about the few Pearlshipping hints either :)

And that is just so far. How long was May on air and she only has a few hints?
I see more in Pokeshipping than advance shipping and guess what. I'm not a huge fan.
And anyways, how can May be with Ash when his is doing the contestshipping thing.

The following list is a summary of points in the Pokémon Anime that the majority of ContestShippers believe points to possible romantic feelings between Drew and May. Unlike PokéShipping, these points have not yet been debated extensively, and the following summaries can at this point only be considered to be showing how ContestShippers interpret events, not as being a conclusive interpretation agreed upon by all.

• Win, Lose or Drew!

Drew's second appearance on the television series introduces the recurring theme of Drew giving May roses. Drew hands his rose to May who stares at it in surprise. She blushes and thanks him for the rose to which Drew responds with, "It's not for you, it's for your Beautifly! It looks like the coordinator still has a lot of training to do."

• Pros and Con Artists!

After May's Beautifly performs its failed Gust and String Shot combination, Drew appears and makes a negative comment about May's ability as a coordinator. He openly flirts with May this time, claiming that he's flattered that she remembered his name and subsequently hands her a second rose. Before he leaves, he warns May to not "get her hopes up." His excuse for coming to talk to her was to see Beautifly.

• Come What May!

Upon receiving her first ribbon from the Fallarbor Contest, May is congratulated by Drew, who delivers his third rose. Upon receiving it, May asks Drew rather coyly if the rose is for Beautifly again, indicating that she has suspicions as to the true nature of his roses. Drew slightly admits that the roses aren't really for Beautifly as he responds to her question with a dubious "Yeah... Something like that..." Also, near the end of this episode, Drew is seen with a Masquerain, which is a Pokémon that breeds nicely with Beautifly, one of which May has.

• Hi Ho Silver Wind

Amidst May and Drew's conversation, Harley interrupts and notices that May has received her fourth rose from Drew. He immediately suspects that May and Drew are in love which causes May to blush and protest at Harley's remark. While Harley is talking to May in the background, Drew is seen in the foreground sulking, indicating that he's jealous of Harley. Although his behavior may be passed off as suspicion, Drew makes no apparent efforts to stave May away from Harley's false advice.
A jealous Drew featured in Deceit and Assist!

• Deceit and Assist

While May was following Harley's false advice, Drew constantly watches Harley, and catches him slipping up. Later on, when May apologizes for not going through with Skitty's Assist the whole way, Drew tells her about Harley's plan. Unbelieving, May went face to face with a foiled Harley, who remarked, albeit rather angrily, in turn that "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for your boyfriend over here." Neither May nor Drew bothered correcting his statement.

• Rhapsody In Drew!

When May and Drew say their goodbyes at the end of the episode, May blushingly stares after Drew as he walks away down the beach. She barely seems to acknowledge Ash, Brock, Max, and her mother, all who have come over and are standing right next to her. While May is talking to her friends and family, May's mother, Caroline, interrupts and teases her daughter about Drew. In response, May overreacts and protests in embarrassment.

• Harley Rides Again

At the end of the episode following May's defeat to Harley, May receives a letter and a rose from Drew via Lilian which informs her of another contest where she can again qualify for another ribbon. It is noted that this rose is given an unusual amount of focus during this double-take in which it takes up the entire screen.

• Odd Pokémon Out

May is holding the rose and the letter she receives in the previous episode while on a boat. She apparently considers these two items as sentimental to her. As May already knows quite well what Drew means with the roses at this point in time now, her keeping and looking at Drew's romantic token that appeared in a prior episode is quite significant.

• Spontaneous Combusken!

At the beginning of the episode Ash is practing with his Sceptile who as recently been unable to preform any attacks. Then, Drew makes his appearence, giving Ash advice on broken hearts. Drew has already battled Ash (for May's affection is the common belief of contestshippers) and this could be another way of drew humiliating Ash to May feel in love to him.
May blushes as she stares after Drew while holding an unconscious Brianna in Spontaneous Combusken.


It is revealed that the rose and the letter was not sent by Drew but by a rookie coordinator named Brianna. May teases Drew about the mix-up, rationalizing that it's not her fault for thinking the rose and the letter was from him. Drew gets slightly embarrassed and blushes when his Roselia begins teasing him as well. Brianna presses the question if May likes Drew or not. In response, May's behavior becomes cautious and coy as she blushes, obviously sensitive to the idea of her and Drew being a couple. After the battle with Brianna and May, Ash asks Drew how he thinks about it, he replies with a 'so-so'. Brock remarks, "Gee, Drew, why don't you tell us how you really feel?" Jessie is made to notice May's love life twice in this episode. She first comments about young love when talking to Brianna and May. The second time, she's sitting with Mime Jr. on the beach, commenting and reminiscing on young love. James and Meowth observe from a distance, confused with her out of character personality. At the end of the episode, Drew reminds May that she only has two ribbons left until the Grand Festival in Kanto. Again, Drew walks off on the beach with May staring after him, blushing.

• May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!

May meets Solidad, one of Drew's old friends, and talk for a bit. Solidad tells her that she and Drew are close, and talk to each other often. When May asks her what they talk about, Solidad smiles and tells her, "He's the type who never listens to anyone else's advice. So, we end up talking about other coordinators we might've seen in performance, and at some point, he started in on you. You and only you." She was talking about Drew. Later, Solidad tells May, "He's gotten feelings for you." This left May confused.

• The Unbeatable Lightness of Seeing !

In this episode Drew shows up to help cheer May up. When the two are talking alone, May says, "I've been thinking a lot about you lately." Drew quickly, but calmly, replies, "Were they good thoughts?" May quickly responds saying, "Yes, of course they were!" She then continues to talk about their past in a fond manner. Near the end of the episode, Drew and May are seen watching the sunset. It gives the impression that they were talking for a long time and they continue to talk in a fond way until they are interrupted by Harley. When Harley seems to observe that they liked each other, May immediately tries to deny it. Both Drew and Harley reveal that they will be entering the contests in Johto. Notable ContestShippers

• Harley
• Caroline
• Brianna
• Jessie
• Solidad

There is way more supporting contest. And also, Wiki has been proved to be wrong more than it is right.

 

[kasumi_chan_x]

And that is just so far. How long was May on air and she only has a few hints?
I see more in Pokeshipping than advance shipping and guess what. I'm not a huge fan.
And anyways, how can May be with Ash when his is doing the contestshipping thing.

The following list is a summary of points in the Pokémon Anime that the majority of ContestShippers believe points to possible romantic feelings between Drew and May. Unlike PokéShipping, these points have not yet been debated extensively, and the following summaries can at this point only be considered to be showing how ContestShippers interpret events, not as being a conclusive interpretation agreed upon by all.

• Win, Lose or Drew!

Drew's second appearance on the television series introduces the recurring theme of Drew giving May roses. Drew hands his rose to May who stares at it in surprise. She blushes and thanks him for the rose to which Drew responds with, "It's not for you, it's for your Beautifly! It looks like the coordinator still has a lot of training to do."

• Pros and Con Artists!

After May's Beautifly performs its failed Gust and String Shot combination, Drew appears and makes a negative comment about May's ability as a coordinator. He openly flirts with May this time, claiming that he's flattered that she remembered his name and subsequently hands her a second rose. Before he leaves, he warns May to not "get her hopes up." His excuse for coming to talk to her was to see Beautifly.

• Come What May!

Upon receiving her first ribbon from the Fallarbor Contest, May is congratulated by Drew, who delivers his third rose. Upon receiving it, May asks Drew rather coyly if the rose is for Beautifly again, indicating that she has suspicions as to the true nature of his roses. Drew slightly admits that the roses aren't really for Beautifly as he responds to her question with a dubious "Yeah... Something like that..." Also, near the end of this episode, Drew is seen with a Masquerain, which is a Pokémon that breeds nicely with Beautifly, one of which May has.

• Hi Ho Silver Wind

Amidst May and Drew's conversation, Harley interrupts and notices that May has received her fourth rose from Drew. He immediately suspects that May and Drew are in love which causes May to blush and protest at Harley's remark. While Harley is talking to May in the background, Drew is seen in the foreground sulking, indicating that he's jealous of Harley. Although his behavior may be passed off as suspicion, Drew makes no apparent efforts to stave May away from Harley's false advice.
A jealous Drew featured in Deceit and Assist!

• Deceit and Assist

While May was following Harley's false advice, Drew constantly watches Harley, and catches him slipping up. Later on, when May apologizes for not going through with Skitty's Assist the whole way, Drew tells her about Harley's plan. Unbelieving, May went face to face with a foiled Harley, who remarked, albeit rather angrily, in turn that "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for your boyfriend over here." Neither May nor Drew bothered correcting his statement.

• Rhapsody In Drew!

When May and Drew say their goodbyes at the end of the episode, May blushingly stares after Drew as he walks away down the beach. She barely seems to acknowledge Ash, Brock, Max, and her mother, all who have come over and are standing right next to her. While May is talking to her friends and family, May's mother, Caroline, interrupts and teases her daughter about Drew. In response, May overreacts and protests in embarrassment.

• Harley Rides Again

At the end of the episode following May's defeat to Harley, May receives a letter and a rose from Drew via Lilian which informs her of another contest where she can again qualify for another ribbon. It is noted that this rose is given an unusual amount of focus during this double-take in which it takes up the entire screen.

• Odd Pokémon Out

May is holding the rose and the letter she receives in the previous episode while on a boat. She apparently considers these two items as sentimental to her. As May already knows quite well what Drew means with the roses at this point in time now, her keeping and looking at Drew's romantic token that appeared in a prior episode is quite significant.

• Spontaneous Combusken!

At the beginning of the episode Ash is practing with his Sceptile who as recently been unable to preform any attacks. Then, Drew makes his appearence, giving Ash advice on broken hearts. Drew has already battled Ash (for May's affection is the common belief of contestshippers) and this could be another way of drew humiliating Ash to May feel in love to him.
May blushes as she stares after Drew while holding an unconscious Brianna in Spontaneous Combusken.


It is revealed that the rose and the letter was not sent by Drew but by a rookie coordinator named Brianna. May teases Drew about the mix-up, rationalizing that it's not her fault for thinking the rose and the letter was from him. Drew gets slightly embarrassed and blushes when his Roselia begins teasing him as well. Brianna presses the question if May likes Drew or not. In response, May's behavior becomes cautious and coy as she blushes, obviously sensitive to the idea of her and Drew being a couple. After the battle with Brianna and May, Ash asks Drew how he thinks about it, he replies with a 'so-so'. Brock remarks, "Gee, Drew, why don't you tell us how you really feel?" Jessie is made to notice May's love life twice in this episode. She first comments about young love when talking to Brianna and May. The second time, she's sitting with Mime Jr. on the beach, commenting and reminiscing on young love. James and Meowth observe from a distance, confused with her out of character personality. At the end of the episode, Drew reminds May that she only has two ribbons left until the Grand Festival in Kanto. Again, Drew walks off on the beach with May staring after him, blushing.

• May, We Harley Drew'd Ya!

May meets Solidad, one of Drew's old friends, and talk for a bit. Solidad tells her that she and Drew are close, and talk to each other often. When May asks her what they talk about, Solidad smiles and tells her, "He's the type who never listens to anyone else's advice. So, we end up talking about other coordinators we might've seen in performance, and at some point, he started in on you. You and only you." She was talking about Drew. Later, Solidad tells May, "He's gotten feelings for you." This left May confused.

• The Unbeatable Lightness of Seeing !

In this episode Drew shows up to help cheer May up. When the two are talking alone, May says, "I've been thinking a lot about you lately." Drew quickly, but calmly, replies, "Were they good thoughts?" May quickly responds saying, "Yes, of course they were!" She then continues to talk about their past in a fond manner. Near the end of the episode, Drew and May are seen watching the sunset. It gives the impression that they were talking for a long time and they continue to talk in a fond way until they are interrupted by Harley. When Harley seems to observe that they liked each other, May immediately tries to deny it. Both Drew and Harley reveal that they will be entering the contests in Johto. Notable ContestShippers

• Harley
• Caroline
• Brianna
• Jessie
• Solidad

There is way more supporting contest. And also, Wiki has been proved to be wrong more than it is right.

-high-fives you- Yes for contestshipping! Contest has so much more to offer than advance! Besides...Ash is hopeless, he's so thick headed that if some girl was in love with him right in front of his eyes, he'd probably NOT notice...and besides...pokemon is his top priority T_T
May is lucky that she has chances with a guy who is not even close to being as dense as ash...contest shipping has more possiblities than advance. Welll I am probably just saying this because I adore contest shipping...but xD

Sometimes I wonder if Ash is capable of being romantic...AT ALL.

I don't see him throwing roses T__T

 

[ValentineUmbreon]

Sometimes I wonder if Ash is capable of being romantic...AT ALL.

Ooooh...your so right, but don't forget: Ash is ten years old. Did anyone of you get romantic feelings when you were this age? Me not.

 

[kasumi_chan_x]

Ooooh...your so right, but don't forget: Ash is ten years old. Did anyone of you get romantic feelings when you were this age? Me not.

-sigh- true very! Though at 10 I at least had intrest in guys. I'm not sure if Drew is ten...but I am sure he's close, yet he's atleast a bit romantic ;-;

 

[Unforgettable]

-high-fives you- Yes for contestshipping! Contest has so much more to offer than advance! Besides...Ash is hopeless, he's so thick headed that if some girl was in love with him right in front of his eyes, he'd probably NOT notice...and besides...pokemon is his top priority T_T
May is lucky that she has chances with a guy who is not even close to being as dense as ash...contest shipping has more possiblities than advance. Welll I am probably just saying this because I adore contest shipping...but xD

Sometimes I wonder if Ash is capable of being romantic...AT ALL.

I don't see him throwing roses T__T

Right. I would personally go for the person giving me the roses and who was intelligent anyways. Drew can offer her so much more than Ash. XD

 

[Commander_Latios]

Right. I would personally go for the person giving me the roses and who was intelligent anyways. Drew can offer her so much more than Ash. XD

hear hear! -waves a contestgshipping flag enthusiastically-

contest has so much over advanceshipping. And, like you said, If I were may, I'd go with drew instead of Ash. besides, it gets her out of the way an eliminates some of the competition for altoshipping.

on another note, good points have been raised about ash's intelligence. He's so obsessed with his quest "to be the greatest pokemon master ever" (which he shall NEVEr accomplish. but this isn't the right place to discuss that") that he has zero feelings for ANYONE. AKA, he loves engraved bits of metal (his badges) more than any human onthe face of the planet.

 

[kasumi_chan_x]

that he has zero feelings for ANYONE. AKA, he loves engraved bits of metal (his badges) more than any human onthe face of the planet.

-sigh- sadly that is so TRUE. Next to the feelings for his engraved bits of metal is probably pikachu.

Ex: If Misty, May, or Dawn were to fall of some large cliff with pikachu-- I bet 99.9% of the time his response would be, "PIKACHU!"

But thats just what I think...

Yes...Ash's dreams of becoming "The Pokemon Master" are a bit-- extreme. Though...this is an anime... >_> so who knows! Doubt it but....w/e

maybe ash is asexual and longs for no one...but yet again...he's ten.

i'll give him time...IF HE EVER AGES.

 

[Unforgettable]

HAHA he would totally yell for Pikachu and try and save him. Unless it was Gary falling off the cliff. XD
Brock would be saving the girls. =3
So is their a shipping name for Ash and his badges? hmmmm

 

[kasumi_chan_x]

HAHA he would totally yell for Pikachu and try and save him. Unless it was Gary falling off the cliff. XD
Brock would be saving the girls. =3
So is their a shipping name for Ash and his badges? hmmmm

lawl, badgeshipping. Nice. xD
Mhmm palletshipping, another guilty favorite of mine next to pokeshipping ^.^ I find palletshipping insanley cute for some odd reason.

I think Ash wold be a happy man with only his pikachu and his-- badges...? o___O

 

[Unforgettable]

No cause he would have to have Gary.
I'm a HUGE Palletshipper. It's my favorite. XD
He would give up stuff for Gary. XD Maybe even Pikachu. XD

 

[Commander_Latios]

lawl, badgeshipping. Nice. xD
Mhmm palletshipping, another guilty favorite of mine next to pokeshipping ^.^ I find palletshipping insanley cute for some odd reason.

I think Ash wold be a happy man with only his pikachu and his-- badges...? o___O

As you know, when It comes to palletshipping I tend to take a detour to avoid it, but Let's not go into that.

He might very well be happy with pikachu and badges. Of course, he'd be even happier taking home the prize for actually WINNING the pokemon league, and not losing in the first round of the semifinals...

No cause he would have to have Gary.
I'm a HUGE Palletshipper. It's my favorite. XD
He would give up stuff for Gary. XD Maybe even Pikachu. XD

I somehow doubt it, but I'm not gonna get into it.

on another note, assistance is requested. I've searched the list, and couldn't find a name for the (rather odd) pairing of Lugia + Blaziken. I intend to use it in a story, So I need a name. Anyone got anything?

 

[ValentineUmbreon]

I think Ash wold be a happy man with only his pikachu and his-- badges...? o___O

That dosen't sound asexual...that sound fetish! >.< Maybe he can go visit Misty. She has lots of badges in her gym...>.>

on another note, assistance is requested. I've searched the list, and couldn't find a name for the (rather odd) pairing of Lugia + Blaziken. I intend to use it in a story, So I need a name. Anyone got anything?

Lugia and Blaziken...Hmmm...let me think...Maybe Birdyshipping? Starleshipping? (Star for Starter and Le for Legendary) Ah...forget about it. I'm not good in stuff like this. Someone else can go find a better name.

 

[Commander_Latios]

Lugia and Blaziken...Hmmm...let me think...Maybe Birdyshipping? Starleshipping? (Star for Starter and Le for Legendary) Ah...forget about it. I'm not good in stuff like this. Someone else can go find a better name.

It was a good attempt. I'm thinking maybe Burstfireshipping. What do you think?

Also note, It may be some time before I read any new replies, I'm currently spearheading a war on a spammer who's plaguing the Pokemon archive at FFnet.

 

[shedinjask]

A war against idiots on the internet? Where do I enlist?

Pikashipping is my favorite Ash ship, and I rarely ship him.

 

[Commander_Latios]

A war against idiots on the internet? Where do I enlist?

Pikashipping is my favorite Ash ship, and I rarely ship him.

On Pikashipping, It's pretty high up on my list as well, although I probably prefer it slightly varied from the way you do.

As for the spammers, just head over to FFnet's pokemon archive. You'll see both the spam-stories and an alert to the community by one of my comrades. I presume you've heard of "The Barney Bunch", right?

 

[ValentineUmbreon]

It was a good attempt. I'm thinking maybe Burstfireshipping. What do you think?

Sounds good. Lugia and blaziken seems to be a nice couple...:)

 

[Commander_Latios]

Sounds good. Lugia and blaziken seems to be a nice couple...:)

aww, thanks. It's not 100% Burstfireshipping, considering the two being shipped are only about half lugia and half-blaziken, but it counts. Besides, i might do a full Burstfire sometime. At least onesided.

 

[ValentineUmbreon]

I love pokeshipping...Ähm, I mean pokemonshipping^^. When I begin playing silver edition I made some fanart for espeon and houndour. I don't have a name for that shipping but it's really cute.

 

[Commander_Latios]

I love pokeshipping...Ähm, I mean pokemonshipping^^. When I begin playing silver edition I made some fanart for espeon and houndour. I don't have a name for that shipping but it's really cute.

funny you should mention that, i was a bit into espeon and houndoom myself.

must.... kill.... SPAMMERS! -runs off again-